John Salmons Deal in the works?

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RoyToy said:
I don't really see the comparison to Webster.

Webster is a set shooter for the most part. Salmons can shoot off the dribble.
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The comparison is in their overall production, not their styles. Both are similarly productive reserve-level players, outside of this season. Salmons plays better defense, but Webster is much younger and might have some upside left.

Salmons would likely not represent much, if any, upgrade on Webster.
 
Mike Rice and Mike Barret on courtside said they didn't think this was coming from Portland, and that it was just Geoff Petrie or Salmon's agent trying to get his name out there
 
Well, our list of suitors is getting smaller now with the Gerald Wallace injury tonight. I guess this trade becomes "more likely" considering a better player was wiped off the trade table with a rib injury.

At this point it seems like Salmons trade talks is mostly talk from Sactown and not so much from Portland.

The interesting thing is if we are trying to upgrade our SF spot by the deadline, who else is left besides Salmons and the now injured Michael Redd and Gerald Wallace. As bad as the Wiz have been this year it doesn't seem likely that they would initiate a fire sale and trade their most productive player, Caron Butler.

Who else is left to go after besides Salmons, who isn't untouchable and is a moderate upgrade over Webster/Batum/Trout?

Maggette?
Deng?
Jamison?
 
One report coming out is that the Kings want Bayless in the Salmons & Moore for Raef & draft pick deal. That's got to be a joke right?

League sources also confirmed yesterday that the Kings have had talks with the Blazers but that the King's were holding out for Jerryd Bayless to be included in any deal they did involving John Salmons which is likely a deal killer from Portland's perspective. The Blazers had interest in a Salmons/Mikki Moore package according to a league source, that would have returned the ending contract of Raef LaFrentz, but the Kings wanted Bayless and that's where talks stand today. The smart money says the Blazers would be foolish to part with Bayless.
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11359
 
audienorris said:
richard jefferson
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There's speculation that owner Herb Kohl might be looking to unload the team after the latest disaster of losing Redd. Maybe getting RJ off the books and getting some young players back would be smart financial move in that scenario.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
On the one hand I was hoping we could use the RLEC to get a bonafide star like Gerald Wallace or Caron Butler, because I really doubt we are gonna have the cap space to get one any other way. On the other hand, I get the feeling that Portland doesn't want to give up either Rudy or Travis (and I for one would feel somehow bad if they did trade either). Given that, I think that Salmons is maybe the best we can do and we should do it. I agree with everything Nikolokolus had to say about Salmons.
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Why do you doubt that they're going to have the cap space? If they hold onto Raef allowing him come off their own cap and renounce the rights to Channing, Ike and either Blake or Outlaw, they will have max type dollars available. This could be used to sign a FA (doubtful) but it could also be utilized in a trade where Portland receives more $$$ back then they send out.

Salmons is OK... he's just a shade smaller then Martell in height and wingspan but he'd easily be the Blazers best SF option this year. He's a pretty decent athlete and has good all around skills. I'm hoping they do better, but I wouldn't be upset if they went this way.

STOMP
 
League sources also confirmed yesterday that the Kings have had talks with the Blazers but that the King's were holding out for Jerryd Bayless to be included in any deal they did involving John Salmons which is likely a deal killer from Portland's perspective. The Blazers had interest in a Salmons/Mikki Moore package according to a league source, that would have returned the ending contract of Raef LaFrentz, but the Kings wanted Bayless and that's where talks stand today. The smart money says the Blazers would be foolish to part with Bayless.
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Hmm.. Raef and Bayless for Salmons and Moore? No thank you. not interested at all.

I actually am not a fan of Salmons for us at all, specially after hearing that Kings fans dislike him because he dominates the ball and isn't the best teammate.
 
On the plus side, Salmons would net us 5-7 more wins over the next two years. After that, he's probably traded or a reserve. That's a better value than we got out of the expiring contracts of Stoudamire, Sabonis, Pippen, and Rahim combined, because it's at least something.

It's about the same value as we got out of trading Sheed. Rahim/Ratliff were more talented, but they were also more expensive and a worse fit.

I don't have a lot of hope that the RLEC is worth that much on its own, but unlike with all those other big expiring contracts we had, we also have the ability to package some quality young players. So I'd be a little disappointed if all we got was Salmons. I'd rather take my chances with STOMP's plan of not re-signing some marginal players and use the cap space to negotiate a trade.
 
MrJayremmie said:
I actually am not a fan of Salmons for us at all, specially after hearing that Kings fans dislike him because he dominates the ball and isn't the best teammate.
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That part doesn't discourage me as much. I've seen firsthand how fanbases of really bad teams can easily turn on the few productive veterans they have. It's really only natural--the good player is fed up with all the sucking around him, so he starts chucking more or stops working hard. The fans scapegoat him as the source of all the poor ball movement/lack of effort. The guy is moved to a better team, resurrects his career, and suddenly he's "turned a new leaf."

It's one of the basic storylines you read about in virtually every bad team.

The danger is that it becomes so common on a bad team that you just get a revolving door of talent. Nobody is ever happy, from the players to the coaches to the fans, unless there's a constant trickle of guys coming in and leaving. The losing breeds more losing.

Portland got out of that vicious feedback loop by drafting 3 of the 4 best players two years in a row. The Clippers, Bulls (and now Kings) probably won't be so lucky.
 
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mook said:
Portland got out of that vicious feedback loop by drafting 3 of the 4 best players two years in a row. The Clippers, Bulls (and now Kings) probably won't be so lucky.
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Kevin Martin is a young stud and I like the Kings last two drafts. I think they stand a decent chance of breaking out of the loop you speak of if they're able to keep KM healthy and Petrie continues to make good personnel moves.

STOMP
 
free_lafrentz said:
Well, our list of suitors is getting smaller now with the Gerald Wallace injury tonight. I guess this trade becomes "more likely" considering a better player was wiped off the trade table with a rib injury.

At this point it seems like Salmons trade talks is mostly talk from Sactown and not so much from Portland.

The interesting thing is if we are trying to upgrade our SF spot by the deadline, who else is left besides Salmons and the now injured Michael Redd and Gerald Wallace. As bad as the Wiz have been this year it doesn't seem likely that they would initiate a fire sale and trade their most productive player, Caron Butler.

Who else is left to go after besides Salmons, who isn't untouchable and is a moderate upgrade over Webster/Batum/Trout?

Maggette?
Deng?
Jamison?
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I would think the Wiz would have to be shopping Jamison . . . he is a vet who can play two positions . . . that's my guess who we get if we make a big trade ( like others, I like Butler more, but I don't see the wiz moving Butler)
 
I have thought long and hard about this trade. If it goes through, it has to basically be a "no skin off my ass" trade, where we don't give up anything but a contract, and maybe a draft pick.
 
I'd be very happy if Portland traded Raef+Outlaw/Web +junk/draft/$ for Wallace. The Blazers are NOT contending this year, and Wallace's injury has to mean he is available for less than he was a week ago. In the meantime we'd fill in the SF spot with the other players who can play there.

iWatas
 
If the Kings are holding out thinking they can get Jerryd, they can just forget about it.
 
alex42083 said:
If the Kings are holding out thinking they can get Jerryd, they can just forget about it.
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Yep with Blake out for 2 more games, it will probably be Blake available. Why else would he have been hurrying back?
 
Iwatas said:
I'd be very happy if Portland traded Raef+Outlaw/Web +junk/draft/$ for Wallace. The Blazers are NOT contending this year, and Wallace's injury has to mean he is available for less than he was a week ago. In the meantime we'd fill in the SF spot with the other players who can play there.
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the Bobs would have to add some additional salary to make your proposal work, but I'm with your thinking 100%.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Kevin Martin is a young stud and I like the Kings last two drafts. I think they stand a decent chance of breaking out of the loop you speak of if they're able to keep KM healthy and Petrie continues to make good personnel moves.

STOMP
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Yeah, I like Martin. (But I also liked guys like Elton Brand for Chicago/Clippers and David Lee for New York. Even bad teams get good players sometimes.)

Sactown has drafted nicely, and they should get another good pick this year. So maybe things aren't so grim there.
 
craigehlo said:
One report coming out is that the Kings want Bayless in the Salmons & Moore for Raef & draft pick deal. That's got to be a joke right?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11359
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I wouldn't doubt it. Petrie is trying to build young players around K Mart and Thompson. Blazers shouldn't bite, though.

Hoopshype rumors has us sending Raef and a pick at the moment...

According to a report via 1080 The Fan and the Sacramento Bee, the Blazers have offered a draft pick and Raef LaFrentz's expiring contract for John Salmons. Salmons contract goes through the 2010-11 season before he would be a free agent. That being said, let the commenting begin, do you like the trade? Or is there a better deal out there for the Blazers? Oregonian

I keep hearing that Portland thinks the chances of making a deal are around 20 percent, but I think it's higher. The LaFrentz expiring contract is a big asset, so are players like Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw. Seems like now's the time to pull the trigger. ESPN.com
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Bayless won't be going anywhere, especially with where we stand at PG right now having Blake injured. Though, the only twist in this scenario is that I wouldn't at all be opposed to adding Sergio, Channing, Ike, or shavlik in the deal in-place of Bayless to get it done.
 
Fez said:
1080 said that the Blazers made the offer of Raef and a future pick for Salmons...FWIW
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Given that 1080 says an offer took place that doesn't even work under the CBA tells me all I need to know about the credibility of the report.
 
1080 has like three employees and a couple interns working for them. I'm surprised other media outlets view them as a source for trades. Like they've ever broke anything..
 
Chad Ford on Salmons (ESPN.com):

John Salmons, Kings
Salmons is having a career season, but he doesn't fit into the long-term future of the franchise. The Kings have been shopping him all season. Despite his talent, he's never really been known as a chemistry guy in either Philadelphia or Sacramento.

His versatility, defense and ability to handle the ball have attracted a number of suitors. But buyers beware -- this guy has to start. Take him out of the starting lineup, and his numbers drop and his pouting increases.

Chance of trade: 55 percent
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alex42083 said:
1080 has like three employees and a couple interns working for them. I'm surprised other media outlets view them as a source for trades. Like they've ever broke anything..
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Ever heard of Jason Quick??? Yea he is blazers 1080, and he's basically part of the team
 
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