Jose Fernandez out for 12-18 Months-to Undergo TJ Surgery

[Mattingly23NY]

With the young ROY Phenom, Jose Fernandez's exit from the Marlin's to undergo Tommy John Surgery to his elbow.

18 MLB Pitcher's are currently on the DL, either awaiting Surgery, or have had surgery.

I cannot recall any one year, in which so many Pitcher's had TJ surgery in but one short month...Can you? In one month alone?

Crap, some are going for their 2nd surgery. With Tommy John, his career only got better, and extended, with his own surgery. However some come back with no velocity, some do, even increasing velocities.

John tho' made his living after his surgery with a Sinker, Gopher Killer. Recall his game when all 27 outs were weak infield, ground ball outs, with Mattingly getting all 27 outs. (I believe perhaps, still a MLB record).

 

[Messiah717]

There's increasing thoughts that what these pitchers do early in their lives is what's causing these arm blowouts. Pitching every other day, throwing breaking pitches when they're too young and stuff like that.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

There's increasing thoughts that what these pitchers do early in their lives is what's causing these arm blowouts. Pitching every other day, throwing breaking pitches when they're too young and stuff like that.

No doubt. I was shocked when I began coaching Little League. Every kid who pitched was throwing some kind of curve ball, placing undo stress on their shoulders, and elbows. After a year of working with the League. We altered those breaking pitches, with change ups, including a knuckle change up-(extremely effective out pitch). As well as teaching them how to place the ball, up, down, inside, and out. No one had taught them anything other than throw as hard as you can, and learn a curve ball.

why kids today think they have to emulate their heroes, and need to throw a curve, when their young arms are not fully developed, well it pissed me off. I had a southpaw pitcher, who never in his LL career threw a curve. Rather change of speed, and placement, (along with that Knuckle Changeup), and he never lost a game, in 2 years.
Touche-Vic, you hit the problem, right on the head.

 

[Messiah717]

No doubt. I was shocked when I began coaching Little League. Every kid who pitched was throwing some kind of curve ball, placing undo stress on their shoulders, and elbows. After a year of working with the League. We altered those breaking pitches, with change ups, including a knuckle change up-(extremely effective out pitch). As well as teaching them how to place the ball, up, down, inside, and out. No one had taught them anything other than throw as hard as you can, and learn a curve ball.

why kids today think they have to emulate their heroes, and need to throw a curve, when their young arms are not fully developed, well it pissed me off. I had a southpaw pitcher, who never in his LL career threw a curve. Rather change of speed, and placement, (along with that Knuckle Changeup), and he never lost a game, in 2 years.
Touche-Vic, you hit the problem, right on the head.

When I was in little league we weren't allowed to throw those pitches. I guess that went out the window.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

When I was in little league we weren't allowed to throw those pitches. I guess that went out the window.

Sadly enough....I always thought a Adult Coach, who teaches a 10-15, maybe older, Kid to throw a curve ball, or slider, should be banned from Coaching, end of story.

Hell, as a kid, I more than hurt my arm, simply throwing smoke, and changeups.

3 rotator cuff surgeries on the right shoulder, one on the left, by the time I was 28.

 

[yankeesince59]

...I think this was brought up awhile back, and I posted a link to an article which pointed to the fact that a lot of these youngsters trying to hit the big time are playing a lot of winter ball and there is no time for the muscles/joints/ligaments/tendons etc., to rest and regenerate...add to the fact that there are a lot of open camps and these kids are trying their best to get noticed by attempting to light up the radar gun by over-throwing.
...this is all a great formula for injury.

 

[Messiah717]

The thing is what can you do? If you draft one of these phenoms you have to hold you breath and hope they don't go down this road.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...I think this was brought up awhile back, and I posted a link to an article which pointed to the fact that a lot of these youngsters trying to hit the big time are playing a lot of winter ball and there is no time for the muscles/joints/ligaments/tendons etc., to rest and regenerate...add to the fact that there are a lot of open camps and these kids are trying their best to get noticed by attempting to light up the radar gun by over-throwing.
...this is all a great formula for injury.

Yes, I do recall that earlier post touching on this subject.

One additional thing I learned from my own experience(s). Was the dozens of Cortisone Injections I got over a decade, in my 20s. Was: Cortisone Injections for sore shoulders/arms; with long term use,can and will soften tendons, ligaments, even cartilage. Increasing the odds of tearing and doing further irreparable damage.

 

[yankeesince59]

The thing is what can you do? If you draft one of these phenoms you have to hold you breath and hope they don't go down this road.

...^^^yeah, and the bad thing is that it's all driven by money...just like PEDs. Take a chance, make a big splash, get a big contract, and don't worry about the consequences.

 

[yankeesince59]

Yes, I do recall that earlier post touching on this subject.

One additional thing I learned from my own experience(s). Was the dozens of Cortisone Injections I got over a decade, in my 20s. Was: Cortisone Injections for sore shoulders/arms; with long term use,can and will soften tendons, ligaments, even cartilage. Increasing the odds of tearing and doing further irreparable damage.

...isn't there some limit on how many cortisone shots you can receive?...I think I read that somewhere.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...isn't there some limit on how many cortisone shots you can receive?...I think I read that somewhere.

Indeed there is a limit on how may Cortisone shots one can get over a lifetime....

I had a flake for a Dr. After 28 shots in 7 years, (blame it on inept HMO Docs). The Kerlan-Jobe Inst. (Dr. Yocum to be exact), did my 3rd RH cuff surgery, along with removing an 11 inch mass, which he said, was a cortisone bladder, caused by excessive C-injections, way to many). Dr. Lewis Yocum said, "If you get over 2 shots in a 12 month period, for more than 2 years, something more serious is afoul. He stated as well, he never gives over 6 C-injections in a Life Time.

It's a flipping wonder, I wasn't blowing Cortisone out of my nose.

Cortisone can also weaken any muscle group as well as soften the heart. My LH shoulder was a direct reaction to excessive C-Injections.

Anyone requiring Cortisone, heed this warning, if you have a flake of a Doc, who thinks every time your joint is inflamed, a Cortisone injection may just exacerbate a much bigger problem....its time then, to see a Specialists....so many flake Dr's. think they are that specialist, to my chagrine....Mo-Fos...