Just how bad is our bench this year?

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Current rankings of Bench production

Points – 29th
Rebounds – 27th
Assists – 12th!!!
Steals – 30th
Blocks – 30th
FG % – 25th
Off Eff – 29th
Def Eff – 25th

And our "best" bench player Mo Williams currently has a PER of 11.81. Raymond Felton's is 12.23.

I really want to hold onto homecourt advantage in the first round, but it's going to be tough with the Blazers' extreme reliance on our starters.

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ppilot said:
Current rankings of Bench production

Points – 29th
Rebounds – 27th
Assists – 12th!!!
Steals – 29th
Blocks – 20th
FG % – 26th
Off Eff – 29th
Def Eff – 25th

And our "best" bench player Mo Williams currently has a PER of 11.81. Raymond Felton's is 12.23.

I really want to hold onto homecourt advantage in the first round, but it's going to be tough with the Blazers' extreme reliance on our starters.
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So, I'm going to actually help your case a little bit... you're wrong on a couple of these.

We're actually last in blocks as a bench (1.0)

Steals we're actually last as well.

FG% we're actually 25th.

Everything else is pretty much right.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/14/7/reb/1-1

Compared to last year:

Last in pts (18.5)
Last in reb (10.5)
29th in asts (4.5, IND was last with 4.2)
28th in stls (ahead of IND and LAL)

You can look up the rest of the stats there. It is surprising how bad Indiana's bench was last year and they made it to game 7 against the Heat.
 
ppilot said:
Ha! Last year's bench was historically bad, so anything would be an improvement. Looking at the numbers it's a small wonder we won as many games as we did last year.



Here you go
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I beat you to it. lol. Just remember to link any stats, or you'll be asked to.
 
But doesn't Mo lead the team in steals?
 
anyone know how they figure "min"? (minutes??)

the blazers being dead last at 13.6 might go a long way towards explaining them being near the bottom in most of the counting stats

also they are 11th in 3pt fg%, so claiming them 25th might be a little misleading, their efg and ts% is likely more middle of the pack

and i noticed indiana has a similar bench to the blazers statistically, not sure if there is anything to it, i wonder if their fans continually lament the fact though
 
Bottom of the barrel in everything but assists. I presume that's because our 'bench' players are on the court with starters, who are still our primary scorers when the bench players are in?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
anyone know how they figure "min"? (minutes??)

the blazers being dead last at 13.6 might go a long way towards explaining them being near the bottom in most of the counting stats

also they are 11th in 3pt fg%, so claiming them 25th might be a little misleading, their efg and ts% is likely more middle of the pack

and i noticed indiana has a similar bench to the blazers statistically, not sure if there is anything to it, i wonder if their fans continually lament the fact though
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I took a quick gander at their main board with the most activity, and not really anything about their bench.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
anyone know how they figure "min"? (minutes??)

the blazers being dead last at 13.6 might go a long way towards explaining them being near the bottom in most of the counting stats

also they are 11th in 3pt fg%, so claiming them 25th might be a little misleading, their efg and ts% is likely more middle of the pack

and i noticed indiana has a similar bench to the blazers statistically, not sure if there is anything to it, i wonder if their fans continually lament the fact though
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Even on a per 48 basis the Blazers' bench production is bottom third of the NBA in most of those statistics. Here are the Hollinger PER rankings (ESPN Insider) of our bench on an individual basis:

Mo Williams - 11.81
C.J. - 7.75
Robinson - 14.74
Freeland - 11.10
Wright - 9.58
Leonard - 11.20

One thing that was interesting is how much of drop off both Williams and Wright had when compared to last year.
 
does anyone know how they calculate minutes? is that # of minutes per position on average? percentage of total minutes? average of bench players mpg?
 
We don't have a traditional second unit. We always have a starter in there and that player is the first option. What is the plus minus of our bench players?
 
KingSpeed said:
We don't have a traditional second unit. We always have a starter in there and that player is the first option. What is the plus minus of our bench players?
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I'm pretty sure it's the norm to always have a starter in there with the second unit now in the NBA.
 
lol Mixum pretty much posted this same exact thing over at BBF. Interesting.

Is he Ben Golliver?
 
Strenuus said:
lol Mixum pretty much posted this same exact thing over at BBF. Interesting.

Is he Ben Golliver?
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I'm just tickled that the mods have to defend the blazers against the "fan" in that forum. :lol:

Also, he missed the corrections from the post he stole. :lol:
 
Hard to pile up stats when you're always shining the pine. I don't think we know how good the bench is until they play a whole lot more. We've not exactly blown out many teams this season.
 
ppilot said:
Current rankings of Bench production

Points – 29th
Rebounds – 27th
Assists – 12th!!!
Steals – 30th
Blocks – 30th
FG % – 25th
Off Eff – 29th
Def Eff – 25th

And our "best" bench player Mo Williams currently has a PER of 11.81. Raymond Felton's is 12.23.

I really want to hold onto homecourt advantage in the first round, but it's going to be tough with the Blazers' extreme reliance on our starters.

Link to the stats page
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They're bad. The one bright spot I thought we had is coming along really, REALLY slowly.
 
riverman said:
Hard to pile up stats when you're always shining the pine. I don't think we know how good the bench is until they play a whole lot more. We've not exactly blown out many teams this season.
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And every time we blow out a team, the *starters* suck the next game. It's a no-win scenario!
 
The bench is vastly improved over last year, so I see this as a big step forward in team development. Also, your stats are misleading as we play our starters a lot.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
The bench is vastly improved over last year, so I see this as a big step forward in team development. Also, your stats are misleading as we play our starters a lot.
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Comparing results to one of the worst NBA benches in history isn't a good baseline. And again, even on a per 48 basis our bench is at best bottom third.
 
ppilot said:
Comparing results to one of the worst NBA benches in history isn't a good baseline. And again, even on a per 48 basis our bench is at best bottom third.
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Yes...last years bar wasn't exactly set very high. :D I just fear that the physical and mental toll on the starters will really show up as the season goes along. (You could say that has already started to happen) The starters are a great group but their combined total minutes I would surmise DWARFS any other starting unit in the league and there is no way that doesn't affect them as the season goes on.

:matrix:
 
ppilot said:
Comparing results to one of the worst NBA benches in history isn't a good baseline. And again, even on a per 48 basis our bench is at best bottom third.
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Actually, I think it is a good baseline. It's what the GM, the coach and the fans had to work with going into the off-season. Why would anyone expect our bench to go from historically bad one year to "pretty good" or even "mediocre" the next. There's only so much progress you can really expect between last May and now. Most teams have the luxury of evolving their bench over several years, bringing along younger guys over 2-3 years, while watching more senior guys get demoted from the starting lineup or traded for other bench guys. Ours was so shitty last year we basically just nuked it from orbit (as we should have) and started scrambling.

Not trying to make excuses, but Portland is still feeling the ripple effect of losing two franchise caliber players in Oden and Roy without getting anything in return. That's a ton of talent to just evaporate. We got lucky with Aldridge and Lillard emerging, but it's just plain hard to stockpile a lot of talent when you take that kind of a hit. The cupboard is bare because we weren't deep in the lottery long enough to rebuild, and we weren't able to trade either of those guys for other assets.

So we hit the bargain bins, gambling that unheralded guys like Lopez, Mo Williams, Thomas Robinson and Wright can produce for us. Lopez worked out great, but the other bargains have proven to be bargains for pretty good reasons. Robinson may yet be ok some time down the road. Williams is destined for elsewhere after this year, I think.

It's a bad bench, but it's an improvement. CJ and T-Rob have hope, Leonard has size (but no brains), and the second round picks are at least young (wish I could say more). I'd gladly trade our bench for about 20 others in the league, but I wouldn't discount at all where we were when evaluating where we are.
 
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