Politics Justice Dept. still under Obama Admin. control, caught in huge lie/cover up.

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Minstrel said:
Huh. That headline sounds pretty bad. I see no need to click it and read further.
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SlyPokerDog said:
Of course that's how CNN is spinning it, they're fake news.
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Funny how CNN is caught lying when all you have to do is look at what they wrote in the past.

How could they know about this server in the first place without surveillance? And how could they know what the server was sending and receiving without it as well?

Carry on with the fake news and click bait.
 
Denny Crane said:
Funny how CNN is caught lying when all you have to do is look at what they wrote in the past.

How could they know about this server in the first place without surveillance? And how could they know what the server was sending and receiving without it as well?

Carry on with the fake news and click bait.
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You don't really understand what the Trump Tower is do you?

Let me help, it's a very large building and many people live in it. If the justice department is investigating someone who lives there it doesn't mean that they're investigating everyone who lives there.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You don't really understand what the Trump Tower is do you?

Let me help, it's a very large building and many people live in it. If the justice department is investigating someone who lives there it doesn't mean that they're investigating everyone who lives there.
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Sure. They stumbled onto a server in the basement by accident.

And the government never lies.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
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you too? I can link dozens of political lies, most of them Trump's......an honest politician is a rare thing...it's like an honest mechanic...some I'm sure are good people....Clapper, however, is out of the picture....how about a little Flynn and Mannafort or would that ruffle too many Trumpettes feathers?
 
Apparently Trump and his father wouldn't rent or sell real estate to blacks in the 70s....but have no problem selling to the Russians.
 
riverman said:
you too? I can link dozens of political lies, most of them Trump's......an honest politician is a rare thing...it's like an honest mechanic...some I'm sure are good people....Clapper, however, is out of the picture....how about a little Flynn and Mannafort or would that ruffle too many Trumpettes feathers?
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There has never been a "honest" president, never will be.
 
riverman said:
you too? I can link dozens of political lies, most of them Trump's......an honest politician is a rare thing...it's like an honest mechanic...some I'm sure are good people....Clapper, however, is out of the picture....how about a little Flynn and Mannafort or would that ruffle too many Trumpettes feathers?
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I don't trust any of them. Maybe Ron Paul if I had to pick one.

The rest of them are like lawyers for Monsanto in a lawsuit against Dow Chemical. Both law firms are going to be massive evil criminal orginizations



In my analogy Monsanto represents the Democrats.

Oh, Flynn and Manafort are put of the picture too.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I don't trust any of them. Maybe Ron Paul if I had to pick one.

The rest of them are like lawyers for Monsanto in a lawsuit against Dow Chemical. Both law firms are going to be massive evil criminal orginizations



In my analogy Monsanto represents the Democrats.

Oh, Flynn and Manafort are put of the picture too.
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Flynn and Mannafort are knee deep in the picture...not the oval office though...in my view...we need a youth movement in the presidency....no more old farts that are jaded and entrenched in money.
 
Has there ever been a completely honest human being? Can any of us say we've never lied?

It's bullshit to say 'every politician lies' if the intent is to imply they are all the same. They aren't. There's a huge variation in honesty.

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Denny Crane said:
Sure. They stumbled onto a server in the basement by accident.

And the government never lies.
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Read your own link, Denny. The server is in Pennsylvania. Trump Tower is not in Pennsylvania, as of last report.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Read your own link, Denny. The server is in Pennsylvania. Trump Tower is not in Pennsylvania, as of last report.

barfo
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But how did they know where the serve was unless they bugged Trump and followed him to it?
 
barfo said:
Read your own link, Denny. The server is in Pennsylvania. Trump Tower is not in Pennsylvania, as of last report.

barfo
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Oops? Facts and you aren't friends

Bolded the good bits so even Minstrel might get it.

https://www.circa.com/story/2017/03...-its-russia-probe-but-no-charges-are-expected

FISA used in probe

For instance, the FBI and Justice Department received a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant in October to help further the Russia investigation. Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump’s phone or emails.

Separately, they used traditional investigative techniques to review a computer server tied to the the soon-to-be-president's businesses in Trump Towers in New York but located elsewhere.

Agents were examining allegations of computer activity tied to Russia.. Very quickly, they concluded the computer activity in question involved no nefarious contacts, bank transactions or encrypted communications with the Russians, and likely involved routine computer signals.

The towers are home to Trump’s business, personal residence and then-campaign headquarters.

http://fortune.com/2017/03/04/trump-wiretapping-fbi-warrent/

The Guardian has reported that the FBI applied for a Foreign Intelligence Service Act (FISA) warrant last summer to monitor members of the Trump campaign, but was denied in its initial attempt. Last November, former British MP and openly anti-Trump journalist Louise Mensch reported that the FBI had succeeded in its second request for a FISA warrant, which was later confirmed by the BBC.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ower_not_necessarily_related_to_election.html

Former Bush administration Attorney General Michael Mukasey joins ABC's Martha Raddatz on 'This Week' to discuss the wiretapping accusations made by President Trump on Twitter on Saturday morning:

"This is the difference between being correct and being right," Mukasey said about Trump's accusation of Obama. "I think the president was not correct certainly in saying that President Obama ordered a tap on a server in Trump Tower. However, I think he is right in that there was surveillance, and that it was conducted at the behest of the... Justice Department through the FISA court."

President Obama's Justice Department made two requests in June and October of 2016 to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. Because the first was denied, the second was narrower and focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of transmitting links to Russian banks.

"It means there were some basis to believe that somebody in Trump Tower may have been acting as an agent of the Russians, for whatever purpose, not necessarily the election, but for some purpose. And the FBI keeps track of people who act as agents of foreign governments," he said. "They keep track of people who act as agents of the Chinese, the Russians, the Israelis, everybody."
 
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