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I don't know how to make those POLLS so this is the best I can do unless someone can do it better,

POSITION PLAYERS

Gregorius....KEEP ( * ).......DUMP ( )
Teixeira......KEEP ( ).......DUMP ( * )
Rodriquez...KEEP ( )......DUMP ( * )
McCann......KEEP ( * )......DUMP ( )
Gardner......KEEP ( )......DUMP ( * )
Ellsbury......KEEP ( * )......DUMP ( )
Young.........KEEP ( * )......DUMP ( )
Murphy......KEEP ( * )......DUMP ( )
Beltran.......KEEP ( )......DUMP ( * )
Headley......KEEP ( )......DUMP ( * )
Bird............KEEP ( * )......DUMP ( )
Refsnyder...KEEP ( * )......DUMP ( )
Drew..........KEEP ( )......DUMP ( * )
Ryan...........KEEP ( )......DUMP ( * )
Ackley.........KEEP ( * )......DUMP ( )
Girardi........KEEP ( ).......DUMP ( * )


PITCHERS

Sabathia.........KEEP ( ).......DUMP ( * )
Nova...............KEEP ( )......DUMP ( * )
Tanaka............KEEP ( * )......DUMP ( )
Severino.........KEEP ( * ).......DUMP ( )
Pineda............KEEP ( * ).......DUMP ( )
Eovaldi...........KEEP ( * ).......DUMP ( )
Warren...........KEEP ( * ).......DUMP ( )
Capuano.........KEEP ( ).......DUMP ( * )
Betances.........KEEP ( * ).......DUMP ( )
Miller..............KEEP ( * ).......DUMP ( )
Shreve.............KEEP ( ).......DUMP ( * )
Wilson............KEEP ( * )........DUMP ( )
Mitchell..........KEEP ( * )........DUMP ( )
 
Rick2583 said:
I don't know how to make those POLLS so this is the best I can do unless someone can do it better,
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POSITION PLAYERS

Gregorius....KEEP, if he continues to improve in most facets.
Teixeira...... Uncertain, I'm stradding the fence, 1 last year, I hope Tex can stay healthy all next year.
Rodriquez...?? Not sure He can repeat His performance of this yr.
McCann......KEEP
Gardner......DUMP
Ellsbury......DUMP
Young.........KEEP
Murphy......KEEP
Beltran.......another hard call, & can he stay healthy? DUMP???
Headley......DUMP
Bird............KEEP
Refsnyder...KEEP
Drew..........DUMP
Ryan...........DUMP
Ackley.........KEEP - we need Utility Bench Players
Girardi........KEEP


PITCHERS

Sabathia.........DUMP
Nova...............DUMP
Tanaka............KEEP
Severino.........KEEP
Pineda............DUMP or use as a long middle reliever
Eovaldi...........KEEP
Warren...........KEEP
Capuano.........DUMP - Not sure who the bigger POS is: Cap
or Trashcan man
Betances.........KEEP
Miller..............KEEP
Shreve.............KEEP-If he can quit giving up HR's, if not, trade
Wilson............KEEP
Mitchell..........DUMP, Or- send Him back to AAA 1st, call Him back up next year; with one last chance. As young as He is, he needs more time in the bigs to refine his skills. Some kids first shots in the Majors, often take 2 years to find their rhythm.
 
Just to be clear, my choice to dump Girardi is not solely based on my dislike for him, or that I could even think of someone who could do better, I just think its time for a change, I mean I could be wrong but it just doesn't seem like he's doing enough to get these guys going, as if they've just given up on him. I think some new blood is needed to light a fire under these over- paid prima Donna's. JMO.
 
Somebody make a poll for Rick.....
 
XenForo Polls don't work that way, or at least not nearly as easily as the way you currently have it set up. :P
 
You can narrow the list down by eliminating free agents as they wouldn't have any need to be dumped. So Drew, Ryan, Chris Young and Capuano all hit the free agent market once the season ends.
 
Rick2583 said:
Just to be clear, my choice to dump Girardi is not solely based on my dislike for him, or that I could even think of someone who could do better, I just think its time for a change, I mean I could be wrong but it just doesn't seem like he's doing enough to get these guys going, as if they've just given up on him. I think some new blood is needed to light a fire under these over- paid prima Donna's. JMO.
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Or perhaps Joe has given up on this gang of overpaid misfits, who refuse to give 100%, lacking the 'self-discipline' to better themselves. Sparky Anderson said: - (during an Angels Broadcast when Torre called the games, and Sparky was a guest, said: "Don Mattingly, is the best example for kids in this sport, because when the crowds have gone home, Donnie comes back out of the Clubhouse and has a Coach hit 100-200 ground balls to him."
"Don's approach to self-discipline to execute the fundamentals; practicing over and over, when no one else was doing the same, makes Him the perfect example for Kids who want to play this game at this level." (I've got that old game on VHS). - Now that is Self Discipline beyond, and this team lacks that approach.

or perhaps neither has given up on the other, rather this is not a well constructed team at all.

We all know Trashcan is a big problem, and part of a "Plan" that never materialized, call for His head on a Silver Platter.....

as for Joe, there is no doubt He can Manage a winner. If I were in Joe's shoes, I'd be asking myself, why in the hell am I hanging around, to try to create a Team, that is shoddily put together, and the Boys upstairs, have only provided a pile of shit. It shows on the Field, in lackluster performances. More-so, than any thing Joe's disposition, did or didn't do, in games, IMHO.

Sure this Team needs a fire lit under their ass. I'd bet Joe has more than lit a numerous fires under their asses, in the clubhouse, yet Joe remains cool in the dugout, which is what a Good Mgr, will do. If the Team senses despair, anger, they will reflect as a non-memorable Team will do in this ugly age/era. Grown Men shouldn't have to be brow beat, esp rich ones. This entire Team needs to light a fire in the dugout, under everyone's ass......

So much like the workplace. In the old days, Mgr's too often tore apart those they managed in broad daylight and public. (It doesn't seem that long ago, tho' it was). That is not a proper approach at all; and a Mgr will not get the desired results he's looking for. Fires lit, scalding words, are only effective these days, behind closed doors......
 
This is a new era for MLB, and the Yanx. No more days of Billy Martin's, Dick Williams, Earl Weaver, Lou Pinella, and several others, who would blow their lids, and that was ok in that era. With a new age, comes a new approach. One can catch more critters with Honey than they can Vinegar. These kids are spoiled beyond belief, and it shows....Fat-(wallets), dumb and happy with mediocrity......!!!

WE DO NOT know what goes on behind the scenes, and is not privy to or accessible to reporters.....

Even a Drill Sergeant type Mgr would only bring this team down further. It has little to do about 'tough love', these are not kids, most are millionaires, and over paid, with bad contracts, who think they can do what they want, which leads to a Mgr's downfall, and the very players who aren't hustling 100% of the time, skate free. That is the blame of Admin, Hank and Trashcan......this team needs new blood alright Up-Stairs......

just saying.....Over the last 20 years, Mgmt training in all aspects of business; including MLB et al, have found the old approach is no longer applicable to the game we see today, (again, IMHO). Unless its a full contact sport; ie NFL, NCAA-FB, NHL, Boxing, et al.
 
Rob its obvious that there is something seriously wrong here & something missing & God knows that there is enough blame to go around. And as I mentioned before, no one knows what goes on in the club house & to repeat myself, I don't think Weaver, Martin, Anderson & Stengel all rolled into one, could motivate this group of over paid misfits. The blame goes from the Steiners to Girardi & everyone in between. This group just doesn't seem to be clicking & this thing called chemistry seems to have gone straight out the window. Now where exactly the changes need to come from I have no idea, I just think its obvious at this point that this group just isn't working together enough to put a winning product on the field. And maybe & I'm just guessing here Joe has become more of a friend than a manager. JMO.
 
...some of the contracts are pretty much unmovable and who knows whether the Steins would be willing to eat some salary money or not, and if so how much?

... as far as getting something of value from another team in return that might help the Yanx, the only player I realistically see that could be traded and fill a needed hole on another team is Gardner...when compared to the other Yanx contracts, Gardner's would probably be the most agreeable to other teams.

...the Yanx also have quite a few young trade chips that might be package to get another team to agree to take on one of the Yanx least desirable players/contracts...of course, most of them would require that NTCs would have to be waved.
 
One of the young players that the Yankees may have to make a decision on is Sanchez since I really don't see him getting any kind of a chance with McCann a fixture for several more years & Murphy as his apparent backup. So with that in mind maybe a package of Sanchez & Gardner the Yankees could swing a good deal for a solid starter.
 
^^^ oh yeah, that would certainly be attractive to another team, but what I have in mind is getting that team to also take another Yanx player in the package...you know, one of the guys that are either blocking the advancement of one of the kids from the farm or will be in their last year of their contract with the Yanx...Tex, Beltran, CC, for example.
...the Sox were able to jettison some of their refuse in a package to the Dodgers a couple of years ago...don't see why the Yanx can't do the same.
 
Ron I think its going to be very difficult to move Teixeira because he's become very injury prone & of course because of his NTC. CC will be near impossible to move especially now with his recent woes. Beltran might be the easiest to move among the 3 if an AL team is looking for a solid DH.
 
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Ron I think its going to be very difficult to move Teixeira because he's become very injury prone & of course because of his NTC. CC will be near impossible to move especially now with his recent woes. Beltran might be the easiest to move among the 3 if an AL team is looking for a solid DH.
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I would have thought the same thing about what Boston pulled off...but it happened.

...and I think packaging Garder/Sanchez/Tex is a sweeter deal than Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford and Nick Punto...other than AGon, the others players didn't really benefit the Dodgers.

...GMs make bad moves out of desperation all the time...maybe the Yanx can find one out there to bail them out.
 
Tex can only be moved to an AL team at this stage, that's the problem with that bundle. If you move Gardner, I see him killing it in the NL.
 
Sadly though our GM is not smart enough to make such a package
 
totus44 said:
Tex can only be moved to an AL team at this stage, that's the problem with that bundle. If you move Gardner, I see him killing it in the NL.
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...Tex is still one of the best defensive 1Bmen in the game so I don't see why he'd be limited to the AL...if you're referring to him DHing only because he's had a lot of injuries, well, if he's injured he would not be able DH either.
...and if you think about it, his injuries have occurred while batting, not while in the field.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Tex is still one of the best defensive 1Bmen in the game so I don't see why he'd be limited to the AL...if you're referring to him DHing only because he's had a lot of injuries, well, if he's injured he would not be able DH either.
...and if you think about it, his injuries have occurred while batting, not while in the field.
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Sure, however as he gets older and the injury history accumulates there will be a perception that limiting his field time and maximizing his at bats that drives the narrative. We both understand that facts aren't the only inputs to baseball decisions.
 
...but luckily, Tex's contract would only be for one year. And his likelihood of being injured more often as he gets older would be the same at bat or in the field.

...probably all moot anyway considering his $23 Mil salary next year...even if he waved his NTC, I'd doubt if another team would take that salary on unless the Yanx ate a portion of it and/or like I said, if he was "packaged" with some other quality players.
 
Sanchez- 22 yrs old- is one of the best if not the best hitting prospect in the org.
I don't have any reports or grading stats concerning his defensive skills, but I wouldn't rule out the Yanks finding some other spot for him on the field or the possibility of packaging Murphy in a trade depending on Sanchez' defensive ability and athletic skills.........
On another note, with the arrival of Didi, Yanks are considering converting SS prospect Jorge Mateo to 2nd base. This kid has electric skills and can probably be expected to steal ALOT of bases if he only hits for a low .200 batting average- and they DONT expect that......that's how much SB skills he has.....according to the stats and reports.

In my humble opinion - the Yanks will NOT trade any of their top level prospects and will wait out the remaining big contracts to older players if they have to unless they receive decent prospects and/or players who are ready to help right now, and that will probably depend on who wants CC, Tex, Arod, lol....and/or how much of their salaries the Yanks want to pick up.

And keep an eye on Jake Cave's progress...LH hitting outfielder who has hit wherever he has played in the system including 2015 ST and later at AAA.

The "plan" is still moving forward.....
 
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...unless they can find a way to unload him, Headley will likely be the 3Bman for another 3 years.

...wow, nice edit... The "plan" is supposed to be to win w WS, and this year's "plan" was a miserable failure.
 
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Headley is a place holder until Jagielo is ready....maybe one or two more years depending on Jagielo's progress.....and we all knew Headley was going to make a billion errors this season....he's done it throughout his career......no?....yes?

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Mateo needs more work & the last thing we need in the outfield is another player with no power.
 
...wrong..."place holders" aren't given ridiculous and totally unnecessary contracts for 4 freaking years...if the Yanx were that confident in Jagielo's projection, why sign Headley?...there were other options.

...Headley's defense this year was not the only problem...Cashman gave him that idiotic contract based on an anomalous 2012, period. Nothing else would warrant the contract he got.
 
blgridesagain said:
Headley is a place holder until Jagielo is ready....maybe one or two more years depending on Jagielo's progress.....and we all knew Headley was going to make a billion errors this season....he's done it throughout his career......no?....yes?

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NO! he's made twice as many errors this season as he ever made in any full season before.
 
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