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Sadly right now they are probably in our top five in terms of being competent NBA players. And Ronnie Price is right after. I'd say Pavlovic has looked considerably better than Wesley. If we just cut Babbitt, Ammo, Karl and Wesley (and Elliot, because I have lost the ability to have perpetual hope in perpetually injured players) I wouldn't bat an eye. Oh, and throw Nolan in there, too, at least as soon as Price recovers.
 
Wes has value. I'd rather trade him if he's not someone that will contribute to our future.

Personally, I'd really like to see more of Barton. I saw some things from him in SL that I really liked. I love the way he plays the passing lanes, and he's certainly more athletic than Wes.
 
Just to get this straight in my head, you're comparing Sasha Pavlovic with Wes Matthews and Luke Babbitt?
 
Wesley... as in Wesley Matthews?

WTF.

Personally, I'd really like to see more of Barton. I saw some things from him in SL that I really liked. I love the way he plays the passing lanes, and he's certainly more athletic than Wes.
Me too. I think he's got a nice handle too. He's probably better suited for that bench scorer/playmaker role than Nolan.
 
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Sadly right now they are probably in our top five in terms of being competent NBA players. And Ronnie Price is right after. I'd say Pavlovic has looked considerably better than Wesley. If we just cut Babbitt, Ammo, Karl and Wesley (and Elliot, because I have lost the ability to have perpetual hope in perpetually injured players) I wouldn't bat an eye. Oh, and throw Nolan in there, too, at least as soon as Price recovers.

I've never heard praise for Sasha Pavlovic. Why don't you build him up to convince us.
 
It's not so much that Pavlovic is good. It's more that Wesley is not. He really seems to be regressing from his rookie year. And now that we have Lillard, who is less of a PG than Miller and yes, even Felton, we can't afford to have a SG who can't dribble.

I was watching the game last night (on the feed that should not have existed) and saw what looked like a summer league throw-in PG getting abused on D. "Who's that fool?" I thought. It was Matthews. And D was SUPPOSED to be his strength.

I'm really hoping that Houston releases Shaun Livingston, just because they have too many players, because I think he would make a useful player for us, even to play alongside Lillard. Lillard has been a total non-factor in the first half of most of the games he's played in because he's been trying to get everyone involved (you know - BE A POINT GUARD) and it just doesn't come naturally. If we had somebody big enough to play SG but with PG skills to put next to him, maybe he could be his second-half self all game. But playing alongside Matthews, that isn't going to happen.

(I also hope Barton can grow into this role.)
 
so you're thinking that barton can build up enough PG skills to put Lillard at the 2, but you don't think Lillard can muster enough natural PG skills to be effective unless he's at the 2?
 
I also like Barton. Wesley is a very nice impressive person, I would make him captain, but he's not our best option at SG. I also agree with the point of having a more skilled SG (dribbling, passing) next to Lillard and I think Barton is exactly that kind of player.
 
from sactownroyalty under notes for Blazer Fans:

For Blazers fans, my Blazers Impressions:

Portland has a real gem in Damian Lillard. He reminds me of a mix between the Kings two young Point Guards, Jimmer and Isaiah. Lillard has Jimmer's shooting ability with Isaiah's athleticism, a deadly combination. He struggled early, partially because I think he was being a bit tentative and deferential. He shone when he became more aggressive and actively looked for his shot. He'll need to get a lot more comfortable running an offense and preventing penetration by his man, but there is star potential here.
I got the opposite vibe from Meyers Leonard. Leonard looked as raw as can be, picking up 5 fouls in just 15 minutes. He was not a particular hindrance to the Kings bigs at all. He's athletic and the potential's there, but he's going to need a lot of polishing to become a good consistent contributor.
Speaking of the Blazers bigs, this is where I think their weakness lies. Aldridge is great, but aside from him, there aren't that many options. Defensively is the biggest problem, as even Aldridge isn't great there. J.J. Hickson is not a good defender, Meyers Leonard is raw, and Joel Freeland doesn't possess the physicality needed to be a defensive brute.
Freeland did show a decent nose for rebounds though, and I think surprised Cousins a bit on one or two of them as he just snatched them away. Not much else other than the rebounds though.
LaMarcus Aldridge might be second only to Dirk Nowitzki with that turnaround jumper. He was a bit off with his shot tonight though.
The Kings got a bit lucky with how many threes Nic Batum missed. He shot just 2 of 9, but most of those were open shots. Batum did have one sequence I didn't like and that was a contested pull-up jumper at the top of the key relatively early in the shot clock. It didn't come close.
J.J. Hickson's boxscore looks a lot better than he actually played. To his credit, he attacked the basket instead of settling for jumpers. I don't believe he shot one jumper. I think Hickson and Aldridge will be playing together a lot as Portland's best bigs, but I don't necessarily like that combo, especially defensively.
Nolan Smith and Damian Lillard were both getting hounded by the Kings guards and it caused quite a few turnovers and fastbreak points. They'll need to get more comfortable in the halfcourt.
Will Barton played just 9 minutes but managed to show off his athleticism with a nice alley-oop slam and a putback layup. He missed his only jumper attempt, but he looks like he could be a decent bench option.
Luke Babbitt has a sweet stroke. That's not someone you can leave open. However, spot-up shooting appears to be the only thing he's good at. The Blazers were playing him at Power Forward for a couple stretches and that was a really bad experience.
Victor Claver was someone I was interested in seeing because I remember studying up on him during the 2009 draft and debating whether I liked him or Casspi more. He played sparingly and he kind of looked like Rudy Fernandez. He didn't really do anything though, aside from a turnover when he tried to get a bit fancy once.
Adam Morrison, I'm sorry, but you're done in the NBA. He was not effective in his short stint, and one of his shots was just a bad one, similar to the Nic Batum one that I didn't like.
Sasha Pavlovic is a worse Luke Babbitt. I'd rather play and develop Babbitt than Pavlovic.
All in all, I could see this being a tough year for Blazers fans. The team has talent, but I'm not sure they can bring the consistent effort needed to be a playoff contender. They also lack depth, particularly in the frontcourt. An injury or two there will really set them back.

Emphasis Mine.
 
so you're thinking that barton can build up enough PG skills to put Lillard at the 2, but you don't think Lillard can muster enough natural PG skills to be effective unless he's at the 2?

Don't try to read between the lines, because you're not very good at it. I want someone at the two who can allow Lillard to concentrate on scoring more. Lillard is never going to be a Jason Kidd or Chris Paul, but I'll settle for a Terrell Brandon or even a Russell Westbrook-lite. Olshey compared Lillard with Billups, and it's worth remembering that Billups really struggled playing PG for his first couple of years. Damian is our PG of the future, no question, but I don't want to suffer through a season of first halves like we've been seeing. Actually, I think Lillard plays PG better when he's not focusing so much on getting people involved. He overthinks and doesn't do anything well. Let him play his Weber State style, but have someone play alongside him (who's better than the Nolan that Stotts HAS been playing alongside him) who can help pull up the average assist rate for our backcourt.
 
Let's give wes a little more time this year to see what he can do. I think he'll be OK.
 
You don't say? You mean to tell me that he has regressed since playing with Deron Williams? That is shocking.

Yes, he has actually become a worse player. Playing with Deron Williams can make you LOOK better (although, it didn't do much of that for last year's Nets) but it doesn't actually make you better.

However, I meant to say he looks worse than his first year with us.
 
from sactownroyalty under notes for Blazer Fans:

Sasha Pavlovic is a worse Luke Babbitt.

Except that Babbitt plays forward, of which we have a bazillion, and Pavlovic plays SG, of which we have a rapidly dwindling number. Pavlovic would make an (even worse) PF than Babbitt, I'll grant that. But with Aldridge, Freeland and Jeffries, there shouldn't be any PF minutes for Babbitt. Babbitt would be a significantly worse SG than Pavlovic.

Besides which: Pavlovic has been around. He knows how to play NBA basketball. He had a significant role on the LeBron Cavs. We need a few players who basically aren't just running around like chickens with their heads cut off. There is a value in basic competence, and it's particularly premium on this team right now.
 
You would have to have an aneurysm to think about keeping Pavlovic over Wesley.
 
Except that Babbitt plays forward, of which we have a bazillion, and Pavlovic plays SG, of which we have a rapidly dwindling number. Pavlovic would make an (even worse) PF than Babbitt, I'll grant that. But with Aldridge, Freeland and Jeffries, there shouldn't be any PF minutes for Babbitt. Babbitt would be a significantly worse SG than Pavlovic.

Besides which: Pavlovic has been around. He knows how to play NBA basketball. He had a significant role on the LeBron Cavs. We need a few players who basically aren't just running around like chickens with their heads cut off. There is a value in basic competence, and it's particularly premium on this team right now.

Pavlovic is absolutely terrible. He played a role on the LeBron Cavs because the LeBron Cavs had no one except LeBron. Pavlovic has SUCKED statistically every year, with or without LeBron. His career PER is 8.4, and that's slightly inflated by his one year with an above average PER. Wesley's career PER is 14.1. The only thing Pavlovic is better at than Wesley is rebounding. Shaun Livingston? You seem to just want to acquire and hold on to the scrubs of the league.. If you were allowed to assemble a team it would be absolutely awful.
 
You would have to have an aneurysm to think about keeping Pavlovic over Wesley.

Which is exactly what watching this team will give you right now.

Did you know that Wesley earns $6.5M? And the Knicks are paying Pavlovic's salary. Which is less than a fifth of Wesley's.
 
I've never heard praise for Sasha Pavlovic. Why don't you build him up to convince us.

You mean in the last two years? or Never? I have no idea if he is the same player that he was with Cleveland, but he had some decent years. (Shot over 40% from 3 pt range two different seasons and played solid D) He also has played in 52 playoff games. Maybe he has lost a step, but at 28 I think he is an asset. I have no idea why he has not played much since, but at one time he did receive some phrase. Just not sure what happened to the guy.
 
Which is exactly what watching this team will give you right now.

Did you know that Wesley earns $6.5M? And the Knicks are paying Pavlovic's salary. Which is less than a fifth of Wesley's.

So? Pavlovic isn't half the player Wesley is. He is a defensive liability.
 
10 years in the East. My great expertise doesn't extend that far.
 
You guys failed to educate me about Sasha Pavlovic, so I went and did it myself. Before we waive him, I want to ensure that everyone knows just what we're losing. Playing 9 games at age 19 puts him in elite company.

http://bkref.com/tiny/v6sUz

He ranks #92 among small forwards, better than Quenton Ross.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9786

Not a man here has forgotten that Pavlovic started in all 4 games of the 2007 NBA Finals.

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/stats/2006/nba_finals_stats.html

He matched teammate LeBron James toe-to-toe in stats.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200706070SAS.html

His name appears all over this glittering testimony to his contributions in the World Series of Basketball.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_Finals

His matchup against Michael Finley is legendary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/series?series=clesas

His Finals were better than the Finals of 5 other players since 1991.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9646

In summary, Olshey made a steal. To acquire the player with the 3rd-most minutes on his Finals team would usually require giving up a LaMarcus Aldridge.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

Do we really want to throw this 10th-year diamond to the winds?
 
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