Kenny Vance on Luke Babbit and Roy

[PapaG]

Point is I don't think PA has become "cost effcient." Did you read an article taht makes you think this?


Edit: Just read you said a couple of guys said this . . . not disbelieving, but who?

This was a very active topic a few years ago. Paul Allen had instructed the Vulcans to cut costs and to break even. That said, perhaps his subsequent cancer problems have changed that stance, since Leiweke is no longer with Vulcan?

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/07/canzano_roy_should_get_anythin.html

Then, on Thursday, Tod Leiweke, the head of Vulcan Sports and Entertainment said: "Paul Allen shouldn't subsidize the Blazers to be in Portland and we're getting closer and closer to that magical break-even number which Paul's asked for."

Allen has asked his team of analysts and advisors to cut costs, see. He's given the basketball enterprise a two-year window to make "break even" happen, and the hope here is that the Roy negotiations haven't broken down because someone at the Seattle-based headquarters is missing the bigger point -- the break-even point won't last without Roy around to cut down the nets

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[The_Lillard_King]

This was a very active topic a few years ago. Paul Allen had instructed the Vulcans to cut costs and to break even. That said, perhaps his subsequent cancer problems have changed that stance, since Leiweke is no longer with Vulcan?

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/07/canzano_roy_should_get_anythin.html

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Well I think whoever was saying that was flat out wrong. PA has opened his pocketbook many times since then including a large offer to Hedo, Milsap, Miller, Camby, Matthew, Roy and Aldrdige.

Blazers transactions in the past couple years show that PA isn't being cheap right?

 

[Rhal]

McMillan's history with rookies seems to say otherwise. But, like many things, once something is repeated enough, people just take it as fact.

Only 4 rookies have averaged more then 20m since McMillian has taken over the blazers. Jack in 2005 20.2MPG, the other point guards at that time were Telfair and Blake. Roy 35.4/ LMA 22.1 LMA would have averaged less minutes if Randolph hadn't gone down with that injury in March. Rudy 25.4 2008 Rudy was the only person who could backup Roy.
Besides Rudy/Roy who both most defiantly earned there playing time, most rookies don't get big minutes from McMillian. Besides the fact Babbit is a 3 who definatly won't see playing time, even though it sounds like he is tearing it up in practice and if you see him shoot in the shoot around before games the guy is deadly, unless there is an injury McMillian wont let this guy see any time.

 

[PapaG]

Well I think whoever was saying that was flat out wrong. PA has opened his pocketbook many times since then including a large offer to Hedo, Milsap, Miller, Camby, Matthew, Roy and Aldrdige.

Blazers transactions in the past couple years show that PA isn't being cheap right?

Who is saying that Allen is being cheap? Cutting excess costs isn't the same as being cheap, is it?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Who is saying that Allen is being cheap? Cutting excess costs isn't the same as being cheap, is it?

I guess that depends on your definition of cheap.

I used cheap instead of cost efficient (someone said PA is now cost efficient). . . but whatever, history shows PA has not been cost efficient in recent years . . . if ever.

 

[PapaG]

Only 4 rookies have averaged more then 20m since McMillian has taken over the blazers. Jack in 2005 20.2MPG, the other point guards at that time were Telfair and Blake. Roy 35.4/ LMA 22.1 LMA would have averaged less minutes if Randolph hadn't gone down with that injury in March. Rudy 25.4 2008 Rudy was the only person who could backup Roy.
Besides Rudy/Roy who both most defiantly earned there playing time, most rookies don't get big minutes from McMillian. Besides the fact Babbit is a 3 who definatly won't see playing time, even though it sounds like he is tearing it up in practice and if you see him shoot in the shoot around before games the guy is deadly, unless there is an injury McMillian wont let this guy see any time.

Oden averaged 21.5 mpg as a rookie. That's 5. Plus, Martell Webster averaged 17.5 mpg fresh out of HS.

The other first-round picks are Freeland (overseas), Koponen (overseas), Claver (overseas), Williams (injured), and Babbit.

So, 5/6 of the first-round picks under Nate that are available have seen significant minutes, and this is from inheriting a 21-win team.

 

[mgb]

Oden averaged 21.5 mpg as a rookie. That's 5. Plus, Martell Webster averaged 17.5 mpg fresh out of HS.

The other first-round picks are Freeland (overseas), Koponen (overseas), Claver (overseas), Williams (injured), and Babbit.

So, 5/6 of the first-round picks under Nate that are available have seen significant minutes, and this is from inheriting a 21-win team.

How many times have you argued Oden wasn't a rookie that year?

 

[PapaG]

How many times have you argued Oden wasn't a rookie that year?

He wasn't in terms of the CBA. That the NBA wanted to call him as a rookie only mattered in terms of calling him a rookie.

If he really was considered a rookie in legal terms, then the Blazers should petition the NBA to get another year before having to offer G.O. a Q.O.

I'm all for that!

 

[RR7]

Only 4 rookies have averaged more then 20m since McMillian has taken over the blazers. Jack in 2005 20.2MPG, the other point guards at that time were Telfair and Blake. Roy 35.4/ LMA 22.1 LMA would have averaged less minutes if Randolph hadn't gone down with that injury in March. Rudy 25.4 2008 Rudy was the only person who could backup Roy.
Besides Rudy/Roy who both most defiantly earned there playing time, most rookies don't get big minutes from McMillian. Besides the fact Babbit is a 3 who definatly won't see playing time, even though it sounds like he is tearing it up in practice and if you see him shoot in the shoot around before games the guy is deadly, unless there is an injury McMillian wont let this guy see any time.

Zach missed four games in March. he did miss all of April. Then again, so did Aldridge so....no. Most rookies in general don't get big minutes in the NBA. Especially when there are better options ahead of them. Jack got minutes, when he had Blake and Telfair. He could have very easily given those minutes forced to Telfair, since he was just a lottery pick the season before.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I realize I'm coming in late and after the Babbitt talk, but for what it's worth, I have consistently posted my doubts about him. Not that he can't be a decent NBA player, per se, but that it will take time. He should be down in the D-League getting playing time and developing his fundamentals more.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I realize I'm coming in late and after the Babbitt talk, but for what it's worth, I have consistently posted my doubts about him. Not that he can't be a decent NBA player, per se, but that it will take time. He should be down in the D-League getting playing time and developing his fundamentals more.

Sadly, I think Babbitt's fundamentals are the least of his problems. Offensively his polish is pretty good, but he's so slow ... I'm not sure what he can do to remedy that.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Sadly, I think Babbitt's fundamentals are the least of his problems. Offensively his polish is pretty good, but he's so slow ... I'm not sure what he can do to remedy that.

True. Speed & quickness cannot be learned. Nonetheless, maybe a limited reserve role as designated shooter could work.

 

[Mediocre Man]

True. Speed & quickness cannot be learned. Nonetheless, maybe a limited reserve role as designated shooter could work.

I agree. Also note that a guy like larry Bird was slow as well, but made up for it in effort and basketball IQ. I don't think he will ever bethat good, or close to it, but hopefully a guy that can give you 15 minutes and 8 or so points while stretching the defense?

 

[Blaze01]

How can all these assumptions be made without really seeing him play meaningful minutes?

Seriously, this kid is getting roasted by several on this board and some of the douchebags in the media and no one has really seen him play any meaningful minutes....

I mean, what a joke...

I look at this as Nate being his usual jackass self towards rookies...and UNLIKE the PG position where he has little to choose from after Miller, he has PLENTY of options at SF (Batum, Matthews, Rudy, Cunningham) so he feels no need to play him, and it is not like POR has been blowing anyone out so Babbitt can get some extended playing time....

Can we at least watch the guy play some more meaningful minutes before we write him off as worthless for fuck's sake?

 

[PapaG]

I look at this as Nate being his usual jackass self towards rookies...and UNLIKE the PG position where he has little to choose from after Miller, he has PLENTY of options at SF (Batum, Matthews, Rudy, Cunningham) so he feels no need to play him, and it is not like POR has been blowing anyone out so Babbitt can get some extended playing time....

Can we at least watch the guy play some more meaningful minutes before we write him off as worthless for fuck's sake?

Info at link.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/177968-Nate-and-Playing-Rookies