Kenny Vance on Luke Babbit and Roy

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OK, here's a little summary of what i heard; Vance says an NBA scout, apparently not from the Blazers, told his team that no matter what the numbers said, he went to watch babbit twice at Reno and told his team he would never be an NBA player. that is now Vance's opinion, that he was a totally wasted draft pick.

About Roy, Vance claims that "everyone under the sun" has told him Roy will not be back.
 
just listened again.

sounds like vance thinks roy will never be out there on court for "an extended period of time"
 
People can talk about it all they want. Until something definitive happens, all we can do is wait. Unless of course, Roy wants to have a "State of Roy" speech and let us know what is really going on.
 
It's dumb to say Roy will never be back, but it's not dumb to think Roy will never be back to what he was. I also have a scout friend, who told me that he liked Babbitt and if he worked hard and went hard on the floor, he could be a poor man's Chris Mullin....I think that's who he said anyway?
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's dumb to say Roy will never be back, but it's not dumb to think Roy will never be back to what he was. I also have a scout friend, who told me that he liked Babbitt and if he worked hard and went hard on the floor, he could be a poor man's Chris Mullin....I think that's who he said anyway?
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Wow was he blowing smoke up your ass.
 
Its so stupid that most people on this board have given up on babbit without seeing him play. McMillan. Is not a coach. Who likes to play rookies so its not surprising babbit hasn't seen playing time. I will reserve my opinion until I see him play.
 
Rhal said:
Its so stupid that most people on this board have given up on babbit without seeing him play. McMillan. Is not a coach. Who likes to play rookies so its not surprising babbit hasn't seen playing time. I will reserve my opinion until I see him play.
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McMillan's history with rookies seems to say otherwise. But, like many things, once something is repeated enough, people just take it as fact.
 
Rhal said:
Its so stupid that most people on this board have given up on babbit without seeing him play. McMillan. Is not a coach. Who likes to play rookies so its not surprising babbit hasn't seen playing time. I will reserve my opinion until I see him play.
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Well I watched him play during Summer League and while I would certainly refrain from making any long-term judgements about his ultimate chances of doing anything in the NBA, I will say that I was very underwhelmed by his overall level of athletcism and he looked really overwhelmed by the level of competition he was facing.

Maybe he'll turn into something with work, but I won't be shocked if he washes out.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Well I watched him play during Summer League and while I would certainly refrain from making any long-term judgements about his ultimate chances of doing anything in the NBA, I will say that I was very underwhelmed by his overall level of athletcism and he looked really overwhelmed by the level of competition he was facing.

Maybe he'll turn into something with work, but I won't be shocked if he washes out.
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Wasn't someone creating an all white basketball league for the Adam Morrisons and Luke Babbits in the world?
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's dumb to say Roy will never be back, but it's not dumb to think Roy will never be back to what he was. I also have a scout friend, who told me that he liked Babbitt and if he worked hard and went hard on the floor, he could be a poor man's Chris Mullin....I think that's who he said anyway?
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You don't have friends. Especially not scout friends :devilwink:
 
RR7 said:
McMillan's history with rookies seems to say otherwise. But, like many things, once something is repeated enough, people just take it as fact.
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Well said, because if anything, McMillan has shown that if a player produces, he plays them. The number of Blazer rookies who didn't get minutes as a rookie, is pretty small.
 
hasoos said:
Well said, because if anything, McMillan has shown that if a player produces, he plays them. The number of Blazer rookies who didn't get minutes as a rookie, is pretty small.
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I don't know much about Babbit simply because I haven't seen him play much. I would note, however, that Babbit's already played more minutes this year than Patty Mills played last season. I know, Patty had the injury, but he was available to play by the end of December. Like Babbit, he didn't get minutes because he was the third man at his spot, playing behind Miller and Bayless. Nate seems to prefer playing 3 guard lineups over having an inexperienced player at the SF spot. Also, to be fair to Babbit, he should be getting time to work on his game in the NBDL, but has to be kept around as a practice player because of the injury situation. I have no idea whether this kid can do anything in the NBA, but I see no reason to put him down simply because he hasn't had a shot yet.
 
Personally, I thought we could get more for Martell Webster. Maybe I was wrong...
 
Natebishop3 said:
Personally, I thought we could get more for Martell Webster. Maybe I was wrong...
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The Blazers got Ryan Gomes as well.

Jerryd Bayless looks like the worse trade at this point. This team needs Bayless more than it needs Martell.
 
PapaG said:
The Blazers got Ryan Gomes as well.

Jerryd Bayless looks like the worse trade at this point. This team needs Bayless more than it needs Martell.
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This team needs a lot of things.

I really don't know why we waived Gomes. I thought he was a nice pickup.
 
RoyToy said:
It has been said a couple times Paul Allen is much more cost efficient these days.
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I would be too if I saw what happened to my team. They don't have much of a shot at moving past the first round, so why blow a bunch of money?
 
RoyToy said:
It has been said a couple times Paul Allen is much more cost efficient these days.
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Starting when?

Word around the league was that the Blazers were overpaying for Matthews to the point Utah didn't match.

He wasn't penny pinching with Matthews which was just this summer.
 
It really comes down to Matthews or Webster, because when the Webster trade was made, Matthews was going to be the back-up SF. When Roy went down, Matthews' versatility has been a bigger plus than anything Webster would have given the team, IMO.

No Webster trade, and I doubt that Wesley Matthews is a Blazer right now.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Starting when?

Word around the league was that the Blazers were overpaying for Matthews to the point Utah didn't match.

He wasn't penny pinching with Matthews which was just this summer.
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When the Blazers traded Webster they got Ryan Gomes and his nice contract in return. They were able to terminate it and save $4-5M. That extra money off the books went towards signing Matthews.

It's also not overpaying if you believe a player is worth it. I think Matthews has proven by now he's more than worth his contract. In the end they didn't overpay for him at all. Even if you want to say they originally did they still had that extra $4-5M they got for not retaining Gomes.

It was a smart move that you can argue was KP's.
 
RoyToy said:
When the Blazers traded Webster they got Ryan Gomes and his nice contract in return. They were able to terminate it and save $4-5M. That extra money off the books went towards signing Matthews.

It's also not overpaying if you believe a player is worth it. I think Matthews has proven by now he's more than worth his contract. In the end they didn't overpay for him at all. Even if you want to say they originally did they still had that extra $4-5M they got for not retaining Gomes.

It was a smart move that you can argue was KP's.
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OK on all that, but you are saying PA is becoming cost effcient. So even by trading away Webster and saving money with Gomes doesn't mean he has to now go out and spend money. Being cost effcient doesn't mean when you save money you go out and spend the saved money. And whatever matthews has done, you would be hard pressed to find someone characterize PA as cost effcient with the deal offered to Matthews.

Point is I don't think PA has become "cost effcient." Did you read an article taht makes you think this?


Edit: Just read you said a couple of guys said this . . . not disbelieving, but who?
 
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