Kidd is unhappy with the team

[GMJ]

Nets Daily</p>

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Jason Kidd skipped out on postgame media after the Nets&rsquo; losses on Friday and Saturday and finally spoke his mind Monday in Utah. Kidd says he&rsquo;s disappointed in how his team has given up at times and doesn&rsquo;t see getting Vince Carter back (which won&rsquo;t happen Monday) as the solution. &ldquo;We had him, but still we&rsquo;re losing,&rdquo; he said.</p>
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Unhappy Cappy - Dave D'Alessandro - Nets Blast

Breaking Trends - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone</div></p>

 

[Universe]

I don't get that statement. We were 4 - 1 with Vince in the lineup...</p>

 

[Dark Defender]

Da-yum.</p>

Get ready for trade rumors.</p>

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[GMJ]

oooOOOOooooh</p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"We're so quick to bail, in the sense of mentally letting go of the rope," he said. "Actually we wouldn't let go of the rope (last year), but this year we're letting go of the rope. When we go down eight or nine, we can't make a shot, or something happens and all of a sudden it goes to 20. It's just disappointing."</div></p>

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L-Frank, who has never criticized the guy before and won't start now, nonetheless sounds as though he's sick of hearing it.</p>

Today's credo: "If you're just with the team when it's going well, then you're not really a true teammate and you're not really a credible coach," Frank said. "It's the consistency of doing your job every single day -- through the good and through the bad, and everyone has that responsibility."</div></p>

 

[zєяσ]

Even though I think he is jumping the gun a bit (of course we arent elite) but we have yet to see how a fully healthy lineup is capable of doing. We arent going to win much Gill as the backup point guard and with only one or two bigs even bother showing up to games.</p>

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I still think a lineup of</p>

Kidd/Marcus/Armstrong/Gill
Carter/Wright
Jefferson/Boki
Sean/Krstic/Boone/Allen
Collins/Magloire</p>

can be very good, it just that it really depends on whether or not some of the players will get out of their slumps(Boki struggling overall, Magloire struggled in the beginning of last season....so who knows, Krstic going through the motions with his knee, Carter struggled for most of the games he played in, Boone and Allen....where the hell did they go?).</p>

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And despite Kidd's complaints, he is stil playing very well.</p>

 

[Aurelino]

This is the first time, as far as I remember, that Kidd has called out his team in public as a Net. I don't think he's calling out Frank because the "we bail easily' remark applies to the team. Frank is not there giving up on the sidelines.</p>

 

[d-blockrep2]

You can't blame Kidd being frustrated, his 34 years old, not many years in the remaining the league. Each year its the same speiel with the Nets, we have the ability to take advantage of our easy early schedule yet we blow it year after year.</p>

 

[J.S]

Listening to Whitesnake is not a good sign. Not for Kidd, not for anyone.</p>

 

[Jizzy]

And it begins.</p>

Trade Kidd to the Lakers for Turiaf, Farmar, Bynum and some other pieces.</p>

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Fire Frank.</p>

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

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And it begins.</p>

Trade Kidd to the Lakers for Turiaf, Farmar, Bynum and some other pieces.</p>

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Fire Frank.</p>

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Y...no.</p>

 

[pegs]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

And it begins.</p>


Trade Kidd to the Lakers for Turiaf, Farmar, Bynum and some other pieces.</p>

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Fire Frank.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mynetsforlife)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Telemarketer: "Are you her daughter."</p>

Me: "Are you an ethiopian prostitute named Bertha?"</p>

Telemarketer: "No".</p>

Me: "There's your answer."</p>

Telemarketer: "Kay"</p>

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[Jizzy]

That's a fgood trade if the Nets are looking to rebuild. You guys are nuts.</p>

 

[Shapecity]

Maybe he's just trying to rally the guys by calling them out in public. Let's see who responds and who doesn't to their leader. If you take the top scorer off any team in the league that team is going to struggle to win games. Other players need to step up and take advantage of these opportunities. I think Kidd is frustrated no one has stepped up and this was needed to light a fire under his teammates.</p>

 

[GrandKenyon6]

In my dreams we'd be able to pawn Vince off to the Lakers for Bynum, Brown, and Radmanovic, but of course the Lakers won't deal Bynum for Vince if they didn't for Kidd. :~(</p>

 

[kobimel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

And it begins.</p>


Trade Kidd to the Lakers for Turiaf, Farmar, Bynum and some other pieces.</p>

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Fire Frank.</p>

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Can you say worst trade ever? Trading Kidd for a mediocre point guard, a hustle forward with heart problems and an unproven center with "potential" isn't on Thorn's to do list. I hope.</p>

No need to panic, J-Kidd is allowed to express what he feels. It's not like we're 8-2, we really are playing terrible basketball. I'd be mad at him for NOT complaining. If we continue playing like this, I say trade Carter, Collins and Nachbar and a future draft pickfor Jermaine O'Neal, Ike Diogu and Stephen Graham. Fixes our scoring problem, our big man problem, our defense problem and pretty much every problem we have. Can you imagine:</p>

Kidd/M. Williams/Armstrong/Gill</p>

Wright/M. Williams/Graham/Jefferson</p>

Jeffrson/Graham/Wright</p>

S. Williams/Diogu/Allen/O'Neal</p>

O'Neal/Krstic/Magloire/Boone</p>

That's one solid lineup.</p>

 

[lukewarmplay]

Really? He picks this moment -when Sean Williams is just discovered, when Vince is coming back and there's no substantial backup point right now, when Krstic is slowly recovering and Antoine is coming into his own - to bemoan the Nets' lack of a future?</p>

 

[Jumpman]

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And it begins.</p>

Trade Kidd to the Lakers for Turiaf, Farmar, Bynum and some other pieces.</p>

</p>

Fire Frank.</p>

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Can you say worst trade ever? Trading Kidd for a mediocre point guard, a hustle forward with heart problems and an unproven center with "potential" isn't on Thorn's to do list. I hope.</p>

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Mediocre point guard? Have you watched any of the Laker games yet? This guy has been a huge spark off the bench. And should be starting. Turiaf is a hutle forward with HEART, not heart problems. Bynum hasn't proven himself yet? Hasn't he gotten better every season? He still only 20 years old. Him and Sean Williams would make a monster front court in the future.</p>

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[kobimel]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

And it begins.</p>


Trade Kidd to the Lakers for Turiaf, Farmar, Bynum and some other pieces.</p>

</p>

Fire Frank.</p>

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Can you say worst trade ever? Trading Kidd for a mediocre point guard, a hustle forward with heart problems and an unproven center with "potential" isn't on Thorn's to do list. I hope.</p>

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Mediocre point guard? Have you watched any of the Laker games yet? This guy has been a huge spark off the bench. And should be starting. Turiaf is a hutle forward with HEART, not heart problems. Bynum hasn't proven himself yet? Hasn't he gotten better every season? He still only 20 years old. Him and Sean Williams would make a monster front court in the future.</p>

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Farmar is an average point guard at best at this point of his career. I don't see him improving beyond 13/4/6 and that's no better than Marcus Williams, so I don't see how trading for him will help us.</p>

I never said Turiaf doesn't have heart. I actually meant that by saying "hustle player" He had heart problems, that's a fact. Who knows if he still does.</p>

Bynum has potential, but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't reach it. Trading for him is a high risk/high reward move. IMO, it would be a bad idea.</p>

Basically, this trade won't really help the Nets. We don't need Turiaf,we don't need Farmar and trading for Bynum is a huge risk. I'dbe much morecontentwith a trade for Jermaine O'Neal. Not to mention the fact that the salaries don't even come close to matching, but that's another story.</p>

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[jarkid]

No, I prefer trade RJ over VC.</p>

 

[jarkid]

Kidd must be patient, I am happy that he is unhappy though, because this team really sucks.</p>

Until Carter is back, we'll have this lineup.</p>

Kidd
Carter
Jefferson
SWAT
Magloire</p>

after Krstic is healthy</p>

Kidd
Carter
Jefferson
SWAT
Krstic</p>

the best lineup ever.</p>

I agree that when Carter is with the team, we are 4-1. Kidd must be patient,</p>

as long as we don't play Collins, we will be very strong.</p>

or Fire Lawrence or Waive Collins.</p>

 

[purplehaze89]

Kidd has every right to be angry. I would be angry. This team's offensive schemes are horrendous. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't upset with L-Frank in any way. I know I am.</p>

 

[GMJ]

I don't know why you would get rid of Frank, and then get rid of kid. Presumably getting rid of Frank fixes a lot of problems with the Nets.</p>

Also could you imagine if Kidd complained about not getting a ring...and then got shipped to the lakers? haha oh man, hope he loves that humble pie.</p>

 

[J.S]

A glass jaw this team has.. Hmmph! On Carter's absence the team's preformance we cannot blame. A disturbance in the frontcourt I suspect.</p>

 

[GMJ]

lol I think you should get a prize if you can keep talking like that through the season</p>

 

[AMS_ICE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe)</div><div class='quotemain'>

I don't get that statement. We were 4 - 1 with Vince in the lineup...</p></div>

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The 4-1 record was deceiving. We could have easily lost those games.

 

[FOMW]

He should be unhappy with his own play. I don't give a flying fart about his "19 rebounds" in one game. About 10 of them came off of his own bricked shots (he always hustles hardest when he's missed a shot or turned the ball over). He's playing hard right now, but he's not playing particularly intelligently. He's turning the ball over a lot, and he simply does not have the offensive tool set to lead a team without a go-to scorer and playmaker like Vince, at least when the team is not getting enough stops to score in transition. He can't break anyone down off the dribble. He can't reliably finish if he manages to get in the lane off a pick and roll. He is exposed defensively by everyone from Chris Paul to TJ Ford/Jose Calderon to (last season) Jarret Jack and Luke Ridnour. And gawd knows he can't shoot. Instead of pointing his finger at everyone else, he should spend a little time looking in the mirror. Way to "lead", Jason.</p>

And anyone who still believes Vince Carter isn't the MVP of this team is delusional. Seeing them without him for this long a stretch gives (even) me new appreciation for just how offensively inept they are without him. Bring on the "isos". I'd rather watch Vince go one on five and "chuck" from 33 feet any day than watch this miserable offense stumble and sputter toward a whopping 60-70 point output.</p>

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[soul driver]

I'm unhappy with the team too Kidd...but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give up. It's only the first 3 weeks, get the kinks out of the system, get your shit together (by you I mean Kidd, the team, and Frank) and you'll be fine.

 

[Aurelino]

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He should be unhappy with his own play. I don't give a flying fart about his "19 rebounds" in one game. About 10 of them came off of his own bricked shots (he always hustles hardest when he's missed a shot or turned the ball over). He's playing hard right now, but he's not playing particularly intelligently. He's turning the ball over a lot, and he simply does not have the offensive tool set to lead a team without a go-to scorer and playmaker like Vince, at least when the team is not getting enough stops to score in transition. He can't break anyone down off the dribble. He can't reliably finish if he manages to get in the lane off a pick and roll. He is exposed defensively by everyone from Chris Paul to TJ Ford/Jose Calderon to (last season) Jarret Jack and Luke Ridnour. And gawd knows he can't shoot. Instead of pointing his finger at everyone else, he should spend a little time looking in the mirror. Way to "lead", Jason.</p>

And anyone who still believes Vince Carter isn't the MVP of this team is delusional. Seeing them without him for this long a stretch gives (even) me new appreciation for just how offensively inept they are without him. Bring on the "isos". I'd rather watch Vince go one on five and "chuck" from 33 feet any day than watch this miserable offense stumble and sputter toward a whopping 60-70 point output.</p>

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I know you are speaking figuratively, but 15 of those 19 rebounds were on the defensive end. You also have to understand that Kidd is not fully healthy and on the nights when RJ is not clicking, he has to force the action, which results in turnovers and bad shots. In the last two years, he's really cut down on his turnovers, and it is not surprising that he's giving the ball up a lot more in this stretch. He is not a scorer, period. Those things you mentioned have been there for 13 years now, so it is unfair to expect him to be the go to guy on offense. The offensive ineptness is more a result of mismatched pieces, and players being in an offensive slump. How Kidd is able to get 10 assists a night with that group , I don't know. It is not surprising that kidd likes playing with Williams.</p>

I don't think the debate here is about Vince vs Kidd. You also have to keep in mind that Krstic is not his own self, Boki has been in a slump and the Nets have nobody at the backup guard positions. This is compounded by the fact that Magloire and Allen have been terrible.</p>

 

[ghoti]

Just because Kidd is getting older, it doesn't mean Vince Carter is all of a sudden going to lead the Nets to glory.</p>

Maybe Carter is the MVP of the Nets now. That is a disaster. It means it's time to start from scratch.</p>

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[purplehaze89]

This team isn't as bad as they are made out to be right now. With Carter they are certainly more dangerous offensively. I blame the coach for running these assinine plays and I also put some blame on Kidd for killing any offensive momentum by turning the ball over and over again at inopportune times. Kidd is hardly the scapegoat though. This team is just terrible right now.</p>