also i guess all you forgot who's coaching.......yea that's larry brown. the guy who took the sad clippers to the playoffs twice. the guy who made iverson and billups better players. the guy who is known for turning teams into good ones. i think some of you just get your jolly's hating ny teams. you all think cuz they did bad this year that next will be the same. no one thought that they would be this bad. why do you think isiah traded away the lottery pick for curry? he thought that he was the final piece of the puzzle and they would either just miss or make the playoffs. so did everyone in ny. curry, frye, Q, crawford, marbury, nate, lee, even jackie butler. now those are good players. look at the bobcats roster. compare the two. on paper the knicks are a much better team. once they put their egos aside and listen to larry things will work out. i started this thread cuz i thought that they were BEGINNING to look like a team. you people think i thought that they turned everything around. you think i'm that stupid? the last 5 games they competed through the whole game and i thought that was the start of something good.