Krstic Benched for Malik Allen

[Dark Defender]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Coach said to Malik [Allen] 'You're going to start,' " Krstic said. "I understand. It's hard because I'm struggling . . . If I can't help the team . . ."</div></p>

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11152007/sport...ench_236565.htm</p>

This doesn't make any sense, what the hell is Malik Allen doing to deserve to start?</p>

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[Major Juggs]

Being a veteran is overrated.</p>

 

[ToddMacCulloch11]

Hopefully coming in against more of the second unit players will help Nenad get back on track</p>

 

[KD]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToddMacCulloch11)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Hopefully coming in against more of the second unit players will help Nenad get back on track</p>

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Let's hope. I'm still not even sure what his deal is, is he still recovering from the injury or is it just mental at this point?</p>

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[Dark Defender]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KD)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToddMacCulloch11)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Hopefully coming in against more of the second unit players will help Nenad get back on track</p>

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Let's hope. I'm still not even sure what his deal is, is he still recovering from the injury or is it just mental at this point?</p>

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Both most likely. He said his knee is only around 75-80% and he is clearly making a lot of mental mistakes on the floor.</p>

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[soul driver]

he's still fairly young and this is his biggest injury of his life, definitly not an easy task to recover mentally and physically. you can see he's trying, but timid in doing so. he'll come around perhaps by the new year if we're lucky.

 

[Jizzy]

I hate our coach</p>

 

[MikeDC]

You know, right before the season started there was a CNNSI preview of the Bulls that featured an "anonymous NBA scout" saying the Bulls were really "going to miss Malik Allen". By process of deduction, I've concluded that scout must work for the Nets.</p>

 

[jarkid]

Malik Allen sucks. Don't start him, start Sean Williams.</p>

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Malik Allen sucks. Don't start him, start Sean Williams.</p>

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AND WHO? Krstic, Allen, Magloire, Collins, Boone, or Nachbar. And WHY. Stop being lazy, try to have an actual conversation instead of tossing sound bites. Tell me WHY the Nets shouldn't start Collins and Sean in the frontcourt together.</p>

 

[cpawfan]

Clearly Frank wants one of his starting big men to be able to shoot the ball. Of the big men on the roster, there are only two who qualify.</p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Malik Allen sucks. Don't start him, start Sean Williams.</p>

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AND WHO? Krstic, Allen, Magloire, Collins, Boone, or Nachbar. And WHY. Stop being lazy, try to have an actual conversation instead of tossing sound bites. Tell me WHY the Nets shouldn't start Collins and Sean in the frontcourt together.</p>

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We don't need to prove why water is liquid, not solid.</p>

AND WHO? Not the guy who is as known as "Triple Zero " - " Sausage Lips " - " Great Tree "- "Tree man " - " Cowllins ."</p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Malik Allen sucks. Don't start him, start Sean Williams.</p>

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AND WHO? Krstic, Allen, Magloire, Collins, Boone, or Nachbar. And WHY. Stop being lazy, try to have an actual conversation instead of tossing sound bites. Tell me WHY the Nets shouldn't start Collins and Sean in the frontcourt together.</p>

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We don't need to prove why water is liquid, not solid.</p>

AND WHO? Not the guy who is as known as "Triple Zero " - " Sausage Lips " - " Great Tree "- "Tree man " - " Cowllins ."</p>

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Aren't you the same person that got upset with someone for "insulting" Magloire in the offseason?</p>

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[GMJ]

Water is solid as much as it is liquid, though. Ever hear of ice?</p>

And yes I want Collins to start with Sean. Hell bring Magloire in over Allen. I understand our need for a jumpshooting bigman, but my god for the occaisional shot that Allen makes Magloire grabs 5 times more rebounds (pulling that number out). I couldn't see the game, but from what I saw from the boxscore its not like Malik outplayed Krstic. This is a dubious move.</p>

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[Rollydog]

I think Krsticwas referring tostarting the second half. I don't see Malik starting against the Magic.</p>

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't get the love for Collins. If I were coaching or GMing the Nets, I'd be looking to eliminate his minutes entirely. The guy's a threat to put up triple-goose-eggs every game.</p>

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[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I don't get the love for Collins. If I were coaching or GMing the Nets, I'd be looking to eliminate his minutes entirely. The guy's a threat to put up triple-goose-eggs every game.</p>

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the question is whether that matters, and if so, how much. Would you want Marbury on your team because he can score 20 points and pick up 6-8 assists? Collins does some things very, verywell, and some things very poorly. He isn't average in anything, really. Is it better to replace him with someone who is very good and very bad at different things (for example, Nachbar)? Or someone who is average at everything (for example, Malik Allen or Magloire)? The thing is, there are no right and wrong answers. It's a matter of preference, and also a matter of who is is on the team. Boone, for instance, would score a few points and grab some rebounds, but it's obvious that the Nets would be much worse off if he played instead of Collins at this point. I'd love to replace him with Pau Gasol, but that probably isn't very realistic.</p>

For my part, I accept that he is part of the team and will play somewhere between 15-25 minutes a night. The question seems to be: what situation should Collins be placed in to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses? I have an opnion on that as everyone knows.</p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I don't get the love for Collins. If I were coaching or GMing the Nets, I'd be looking to eliminate his minutes entirely. The guy's a threat to put up triple-goose-eggs every game.</p>

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Watch the game, not the stats sheet. Twin significantly contributes to the Nets winning games without impacting his stats.</p>

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[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Watch the game, not the stats sheet. Twin significantly contributes to the Nets winning games without impacting his stats.</p>

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On the statistics side of things, is it better to have a guy who is 0-1 from the field, or a guy who is 3-8? Does it matter who is taking those extraseven shots if not Collins? Is it better to have a guy who gets four rebounds, but when he's in the game his team outrebounds the opposition, or a guy who gets ten rebounds, but whose team does not outrebound the opposition when he's in the game? Should we measure the shooting percentage of Carter and Kidd when Collins is in the game vs. when he isn't in the game? Does a guy who doesn't have to be guarded reduce the shooting percentage of his teammates? Or, because when he isn't guarded he roams the court setting picks, does he increase the shooting percentage of his teammates? How much do blocked shots really matter? is the point of defense to get steals and blocks, or just to make it difficult for the opposition to take high quality, high percentage shots?</p>

One thing that would help is to spend an entire game just watching Collins and see what happens.</p>

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[Kidd Karma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Watch the game, not the stats sheet. Twin significantly contributes to the Nets winning games without impacting his stats.</p>

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On the statistics side of things, is it better to have a guy who is 0-1 from the field, or a guy who is 3-8? Does it matter who is taking those extraseven shots if not Collins? Is it better to have a guy who gets four rebounds, but when he's in the game his team outrebounds the opposition, or a guy who gets ten rebounds, but whose team does not outrebound the opposition when he's in the game? Should we measure the shooting percentage of Carter and Kidd when Collins is in the game vs. when he isn't in the game? Does a guy who doesn't have to be guarded reduce the shooting percentage of his teammates? Or, because when he isn't guarded he roams the court setting picks, does he increase the shooting percentage of his teammates? How much do blocked shots really matter? is the point of defense to get steals and blocks, or just to make it difficult for the opposition to take high quality, high percentage shots?</p>

One thing that would help is to spend an entire game just watching Collins and see what happens.</p>

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Just to go along with this premise, what is the most incredible statistical performance in the history of the NBA? My first thought is Robertson's triple double in his 2nd season. Just because it's never been matched. How'd the team do?</p>

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[Dumpy]

43-37, second place</p>

 

[MikeDC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I don't get the love for Collins. If I were coaching or GMing the Nets, I'd be looking to eliminate his minutes entirely. The guy's a threat to put up triple-goose-eggs every game.</p>

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the question is whether that matters, and if so, how much. Would you want Marbury on your team because he can score 20 points and pick up 6-8 assists? Collins does some things very, verywell, and some things very poorly. He isn't average in anything, really. Is it better to replace him with someone who is very good and very bad at different things (for example, Nachbar)? Or someone who is average at everything (for example, Malik Allen or Magloire)? The thing is, there are no right and wrong answers. It's a matter of preference, and also a matter of who is is on the team. Boone, for instance, would score a few points and grab some rebounds, but it's obvious that the Nets would be much worse off if he played instead of Collins at this point. I'd love to replace him with Pau Gasol, but that probably isn't very realistic.</p>

For my part, I accept that he is part of the team and will play somewhere between 15-25 minutes a night. The question seems to be: what situation should Collins be placed in to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses? I have an opnion on that as everyone knows.</p>

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Well sure... you could swap him with Kendrick Perkins and the Celtics wouldn't miss a beat. But so what?</p>

I actually agree that based on the fact he can box out, play defense and set a screen he's overal better than Allen, who can box out and set a screen but plays like he's burried in mud. Allen can his a shot though, but on the whole I'd take Collins' defense.</p>

But I don't know that, in the long run, the Nets wouldn't be better if they got Boone some more PT and he started to have a better sense of how to play the pro game. I don't see why he couldn't do everything Collins can and more. Allen is a bit slower, but I don't think there's much difference there either.</p>

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[Universe]

So now we have Allen and Collins on the court together. Why don't they just wear their warm-up suits while playing?</p>

 

[Denny Crane]

Contributes to wins? I don't buy it. 41-41 is medicore to average. How many wins this season?</p>

My point is you can trivially find big guys who can give you what Collins does and then some. The "and then some" makes the Nets a better team and have a better chance to win games. You get that "and then some" with Magloire, who I'd play over Collins in a heartbeat. Not that I wouldn't be looking to upgrade players at every position when possible.</p>

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[J.S]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Would you want Marbury on your team because he can score 20 points and pick up 6-8 assists?</p></div>

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You forgot that Marbury would also add 5-6 dimes in addition to that.

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I don't get the love for Collins. If I were coaching or GMing the Nets, I'd be looking to eliminate his minutes entirely. The guy's a threat to put up triple-goose-eggs every game.</p>

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better than my triple-zero.</p>

 

[jarkid]

IMO, If you don't make any change, and be very conservative. This team has ZERO chance to win.</p>

I'd rather to take the risk, an to see what will we be changed if we give up on Collins.</p>

In fact, I think Perkins is more a threat that him.</p>

Collins: Foul trouble man. Can't finish, to lead the opponent big man to double the other players of ours.</p>

Can't rebound, Can't block.</p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Contributes to wins? I don't buy it. 41-41 is medicore to average. How many wins this season?</p>

My point is you can trivially find big guys who can give you what Collins does and then some. The "and then some" makes the Nets a better team and have a better chance to win games. You get that "and then some" with Magloire, who I'd play over Collins in a heartbeat. Not that I wouldn't be looking to upgrade players at every position when possible.</p>

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No, you can't easily find big men that can provide what Twin does. The Magloire comment is laughable.</p>

The Nets record last season isn'r reflective of the team's talent level because of injuries.</p>

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[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I hate our coach</p>

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I second that.</p>

I haven't bought into Malik Allen the minute he came here. I expected him to be gone before season started..</p>

Why the hell is he still here? Why the hell is he still getting minutes? Why the hell hasn't a Nets fan strangled him to death?</p>

Really. This might be the worst move ever.</p>

Of course, I'm also secretly hoping that a starting Malik Allen is better than a Malik Allen off the bench, but I'm extremely doubtful, because his offense sucks and he doesn't even realize that defense exists. Might as well have Cartwright out there starting at PF.</p>