LaMarcus Aldridge the Next Tim Duncan?

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Re: aMarcus Aldridge the Next Tim Duncan?

Calling all mods... can someone please fix the subject line. I have no idea what happened to the leading "L".

BNM
 
Re: aMarcus Aldridge the Next Tim Duncan?

The L got mad and decided to up and leave when you compared him to the guy who stole his All Star spot.
 
Re: aMarcus Aldridge the Next Tim Duncan?

"While his attack patterns and offensive game plan are strong, they are made nearly unstoppable by his excellent vision and anticipation of double-teams and help. Aldridge sees the second line of defense very well and his go-to moves and counters are not only built to beat his own post defender, but he is able to react to the rest of the defense as well. Because he is often turning into the middle on offense, he can easily find teammates spotting up on the opposite side of the court and see angles for passing to cutters. His assault on the middle of the court forces defenses to react to him, which makes entire teams change their defensive schemes to account for him. This is, in itself, a weapon"

I never thought I'd read something like this about LA. Remember the book on him used to be he fell apart when teams threw double teams at him? The Phoenix series last year comes to mind. He's just a different player now.
 
Re: aMarcus Aldridge the Next Tim Duncan?

"While his attack patterns and offensive game plan are strong, they are made nearly unstoppable by his excellent vision and anticipation of double-teams and help. Aldridge sees the second line of defense very well and his go-to moves and counters are not only built to beat his own post defender, but he is able to react to the rest of the defense as well. Because he is often turning into the middle on offense, he can easily find teammates spotting up on the opposite side of the court and see angles for passing to cutters. His assault on the middle of the court forces defenses to react to him, which makes entire teams change their defensive schemes to account for him. This is, in itself, a weapon"

I never thought I'd read something like this about LA. Remember the book on him used to be he fell apart when teams threw double teams at him? The Phoenix series last year comes to mind. He's just a different player now.

I can't remember what article it was but oregon live had an interview with aldridge were he said that watching footage of the phoenix series really made him wake up and realize he had to make a push to bulk up and improve not only his passing out of doubles but his post game.
 
Re: aMarcus Aldridge the Next Tim Duncan?

I can't remember what article it was but oregon live had an interview with aldridge were he said that watching footage of the phoenix series really made him wake up and realize he had to make a push to bulk up and improve not only his passing out of doubles but his post game.

I read that too. Still, even if he worked all day everyday this summer the improvement is remarkable. It's almost like if Andre Miller came back next year draining 3's at about a 40% rate and said that he worked on that over the summer. It's not often you see a player take a weak spot in their game for several years in the league, and then one season they are among the best in the league at that skill set.
 
Re: aMarcus Aldridge the Next Tim Duncan?

I read that too. Still, even if he worked all day everyday this summer the improvement is remarkable. It's almost like if Andre Miller came back next year draining 3's at about a 40% rate and said that he worked on that over the summer. It's not often you see a player take a weak spot in their game for several years in the league, and then one season they are among the best in the league at that skill set.

I never saw it as that much of a weakness because he has always had excellent court vision, it was more to do with the fact he was hesitant to give the ball up when he was the primary scorer. I will say that I never in my wildest dreams expected Aldridge to become as dominant as he is. I'v spouted off saying That Aldridge has the talent and that he could drastically improve his game but I was more talking about his defense, he had seemed to timid to be a #1 option. The guy has all the assets to be a better defender then KG I never thought he could actually take on the offensive load and make it look as easy as he has.
 
la is the best kept secret in the nba for 5 reasons...

1. isnt involved in melo deal

2. isnt named blake or griffin

3. isnt on okc roster

4. barkley doesnt like him

5. doesnt play in south beach
 
la is the best kept secret in the nba for 5 reasons...

1. isnt involved in melo deal

2. isnt named blake or griffin

3. isnt on okc roster

4. barkley doesnt like him

5. doesnt play in south beach

lol sometimes you make some damn funny posts
 
Re: aMarcus Aldridge the Next Tim Duncan?

I never saw it as that much of a weakness because he has always had excellent court vision, it was more to do with the fact he was hesitant to give the ball up when he was the primary scorer. I will say that I never in my wildest dreams expected Aldridge to become as dominant as he is. I'v spouted off saying That Aldridge has the talent and that he could drastically improve his game but I was more talking about his defense, he had seemed to timid to be a #1 option. The guy has all the assets to be a better defender then KG I never thought he could actually take on the offensive load and make it look as easy as he has.

I guess I didn't see that. My recollection is that he had a hard time recognizing/reacting to being double teamed. Phoenix did a number on him by throwing an extra defender at him from different spots. I thought he looked confused. I guess it doesn't matter. The point is that he used to fall apart when he was doubled, and now he doesn't.
 
la is the best kept secret in the nba for 5 reasons...

1. isnt involved in melo deal

2. isnt named blake or griffin

3. isnt on okc roster

4. barkley doesnt like him

5. doesnt play in south beach

This might be your best post ever. Repped.
 
la is the best kept secret in the nba for 5 reasons...

1. isnt involved in melo deal

2. isnt named blake or griffin

3. isnt on okc roster

4. barkley doesnt like him

5. doesnt play in south beach

You forgot "He isn't white" (Kevin Love).
 
la is the best kept secret in the nba for 5 reasons...

1. isnt involved in melo deal

2. isnt named blake or griffin

3. isnt on okc roster

4. barkley doesnt like him

5. doesnt play in south beach
those 5 reasons he's the best kept secret could be boiled down to 1... he plays on the Trailblazers. 4 of the 5 are inherent & Barkley has distain for all things Portland. That dude doesn't play a particularly flashy game solidifies his lack of hype, but then that too is like Timmy D

STOMP
 
That dude doesn't play a particularly flashy game solidifies his lack of hype, but then that too is like Timmy D

Yep, and I'll take Tim Duncan's unflashy over LeBron's, Blake Griffin's and Carmelo's flashy any day. 4 rings + unflashy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 rings + flashy any day of the week.

BNM
 
I thought (think?) Greg still has better court vision, which says something, but I think the reps of having a cutter rub off him along the baseline has given him a feel for when to hand off (still not enough, but getting better), and posting a 3pt shooter on his side of the court (Wes, Nic or Rudy) has helped with getting it back out and having the 3pt shooters bomb away. I don't have Synergy, but it seems that we have more "swing-it-around" opposite corner 3's this year than before.
 
I know Aldridge has been balling and I haven't seen much of him this season but I'm going to go ahead and say that he never has and never will be on Duncan's level. You might be able to make an argument for the offense (I'd still strongly disagree) but Duncan blows him out of the water in every other aspect of the game. Old man Duncan is still averaging more rpg than Aldridge, more apg, and more bpg in 11 less minutes per game. And those figures are still true even with Aldridge's February splits. LA should definitely be in the all star game and its great that hes breaking out for you guys but hes no Duncan and never will be. Maybe a Pau Gasol in his prime.
 
Tim Duncan is the most complete PF I've ever seen play.
 
From the start of his time in the league Aldridge has possessed a smooth, high release point on his jumper. In many ways, his shot reminds one of another post with "next great one" potential, Rasheed Wallace. Aldridge may not have the range Wallace had, but his mechanics are similar. This allows him to shoot without fear of being contested, which gives him a large advantage over most defenders. As he moves out beyond a natural 18-20 foot range, however, his mechanics do break down a little, and he begins to fling the ball instead of loading his hips and keeping his release point high. This is not a huge defect, however, and one offseason of commitment can make three-point range a reality.

Oh boy, he can soon start raining 3s!
 
I know Aldridge has been balling and I haven't seen much of him this season but I'm going to go ahead and say that he never has and never will be on Duncan's level. You might be able to make an argument for the offense (I'd still strongly disagree) but Duncan blows him out of the water in every other aspect of the game. Old man Duncan is still averaging more rpg than Aldridge, more apg, and more bpg in 11 less minutes per game. And those figures are still true even with Aldridge's February splits. LA should definitely be in the all star game and its great that hes breaking out for you guys but hes no Duncan and never will be. Maybe a Pau Gasol in his prime.
at 30 years old, Pau is in his prime... as a side LA has had a lot of big games matched on him

The article that this thread is based on compares the Aldridge we've seen the last few months to Duncan as an offensive player. I fully agree he is not the rebounder or defender that TD has been throughout his career but I do think the offensive comparison seems to hold some merit. I grew up a Wake fan in Winston-Salem and have seen Tim's entire career. He's in the top 5 Bigs I've ever seen so any favorable comparison to him I'm making isn't done lightly. As a Trailblazer fan I'm hopeful that LA is able to continue to emulate TD's cold hearted assassin mentality in pressure situations. Though he's not bad I doubt LA will ever close the gap between them as a rebounder/defender, but he has been producing big time in the 4th and hitting shots in the clutch. Time will tell, but Blazer fans have good reason to be excited about what he's shown

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Yep, and I'll take Tim Duncan's unflashy over LeBron's, Blake Griffin's and Carmelo's flashy any day. 4 rings + unflashy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 rings + flashy any day of the week.

BNM

As always, BNM is concise and correct. Repped.
 
As great as Duncan is, and I consider him to be the greatest PF ever, he's only had two seasons where he averaged more than 22 ppg. (One season at 23 ppg, another at 25 ppg.) He's nowhere close to big men like Shaq or Malone or Nowitzki in the scoring department.

Of course, the beauty of Duncan's game is that he collapses defenses and is then smart/unselfish enough to give it up to the open man. So merely looking at scoring averages is dicey.

But that's also the way Aldridge has been playing. I think he is going to be a perennial 22-24 ppg scorer. Maybe more of a scorer than Duncan and less of a passer, but leaning much more toward Duncan than the Shaq/Malone/Dirk mold.
 
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Hoops World doen't know shit when it comes to the Blazers.

At least that's what people say when they post something negative. Why is it this should be any different?
 
I agree with Duncan as a stylistic comparison, both in terms of mien and play style. He's just not as talented, which is no slam on Aldridge. He does have a similar type of post game and he has really nice vision out of the post, ala Duncan. Like Duncan, he's a versatile and active defender, he's just not a "franchise defender" (the type of player who anchors a great team defense) like Duncan.

The main difference is that Duncan is a great rebounder and Aldridge is below average for the position.
 
I said it in another thread, but IMO the closest comparison of Aldridge is Rasheed if he would have given a shit and not had the case of the crazies.
 
I agree with Duncan as a stylistic comparison, both in terms of mien and play style. He's just not as talented, which is no slam on Aldridge. He does have a similar type of post game and he has really nice vision out of the post, ala Duncan. Like Duncan, he's a versatile and active defender, he's just not a "franchise defender" (the type of player who anchors a great team defense) like Duncan.

The main difference is that Duncan is a great rebounder and Aldridge is below average for the position.

Good post, Just two minor quibbles.

Aldridge is an above average offensive rebounder. He currently ranks 12th in the league in ORB%. Considering there are a total of 60 starting centers and power forwards in the league, being 12th best is definitely above average. He actually ranks higher in ORB% (10.5 vs. 10.1) than Tim Duncan.

He is an average defensive rebounder for a starting big man. He currently ranks 29th in DRB%. That puts him right in the middle of starting big men.

He ranks 25th in TRB%. So, that makes him very slightly above average (compared to all other players with at least 400 total rebounds). And, he's played 39 of his 56 games next to a starting center with a phenomenal 23.9% TRB% (highest in the league for anyone with over 400 rebounds). FWIW, LaMarcus (13.7 TRB%) is right behind Paul Millsap (13.8 TRB%) in TRB%, and most people consider Millsap a good rebounder. He also ranks ahead of Amare Stoudamire, Chris Bosh and David West in TRB%. His over all rebounding could be better, but LaMarcus Aldridge is slightly above average.

To complete the comparison, he's still way behind Tim Duncan (11th in TRB% = 18.5), who also happens to play next to the 8th best rebounder in the league, DeJuan Blair at TRB% = 19.2. No wonder San Antonio is so damn good. They completely control the glass. Damn, I wanted to draft both Blair and Millsap, and we passed on both multiple times.

In any case, prior to mid-December, you could have said the same think about Aldridge's low post scoring - that it ranks well behind Duncan's. He has shown tremendous improvement in that area in the past 3 months to where now he is being compared to Duncan - and no one is laughing. His passing has also improved signifiantly. Who's to say that with another off-season of work and conditioning, he won't come back next year as an even more complete player with improved defense and rebounding to match his improved low post game? He has proven that he's a hard worker and capable of great improvement and is still a couple years away from his peak. Of course, Duncan came into the league a very complete player, but if Aldridge's peak can approach Duncan's peak, the Blazers have a very special player on their hands - one they can build around.

I say keep Miller, keep Camby, see what Roy can give you off the bench, hope Oden can give you SOMETHING and add a few more proven role players and see how far you can go in the next two years.

BNM
 
I say keep Miller, keep Camby, see what Roy can give you off the bench, hope Oden can give you SOMETHING and add a few more proven role players and see how far you can go in the next two years.

BNM

Who are you willing to give up to get proven role players?
 
I said it in another thread, but IMO the closest comparison of Aldridge is Rasheed if he would have given a shit and not had the case of the crazies.

a real physical difference between the two is that Wallace had small hands... he could barely palm the ball. This hurt his low post game as defenders could poke the ball away relatively easily and also effected his ability to dunk. Thats why you almost never saw him dunk with one hand unless it was an allyoop. I've also heard this pointed to as part of why he was such a good outside shooter as guys who can hold it like a grapefruit tend to wrap their hands too much around the ball instead of centering their fingertips behind it's mass.

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