Lane (and Monte) Kiffin to USC

[VanillaGorilla]

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=9546483

I am a fan of three football teams. The Oregon State Beavers, the Tennessee Volunteers and the Tennessee Titans. There were rumors that USC was targeting Mike Riley and Jeff Fisher, and now they have taken the coaches that were supposed to revitalize the Volunteer football program. My hatred for USC has never been greater.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

This is GREAT news! The Ducks play at UT next year and if they're in an early season state of flux and we beat them there, it will give us a huge boost in the power ratings. It's a dream situation.

But, you're right. Kiffin is classless to quit a jop after 1 season like this. And USC should have left him alone.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If he has a chance to coach a better program, make more money and doesn't have to compete year in, year out with Urban Meyer and Nick Saban year in and year out why does it make Lanke Kiffin classless? We still live in a free market economy right where labor is free to move from job to job as it sees fit?

I must be classless for leaving my lower paying job at Portland State's Population Research Center to take a job with the US Forest Service a month or two ago.

 

[RR7]

Sweet, I was really hoping we would hire him!! Bringing in Kiffin, Norm Chow, and Orgeron is just icing on the cake!

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

If he has a chance to coach a better program, make more money and doesn't have to compete year in, year out with Urban Meyer and Nick Saban year in and year out why does it make Lanke Kiffin classless? We still live in a free market economy right where labor is free to move from job to job as it sees fit?

I must be classless for leaving my lower paying job at Portland State's Population Research Center to take a job with the US Forest Service a month or two ago.

Why? He made a committment to be a coach at a program for a certain amount of time. Now, I do understand that coaches get fired before a contract expires and coaches leave prior to the expiration of a contract. However, there is a rule of thumb that there is a good faith timeframe of 3 years for newly contracted coaches. He started to build a program and then bolted after one year. That's classless. After a few years, I have no problem with it at all.

Also, as posted elsewhere here...........

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Yep, this is one classless SOB. You can defend this all you want to, but I'm calling you out for it.

 

[RR7]

A good faith time frame of 3 years? When has that ever been in place? I'm assuming people would be critical if it was any coach and any program, not JUST USC, or Kiffin, right?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

A good faith time frame of 3 years? When has that ever been in place? I'm assuming people would be critical if it was any coach and any program, not JUST USC, or Kiffin, right?

It is the generally acceptable practice for coaches to make an oral committment for 3 years at all levels.

 

[RR7]

In an industry with such high expectations, where coaches are fired fairly easily, for one bad season, I don't think any coach is not going to take a better job because of some generally accepted practice of giving a 3 year commitment. Meh, whatever. I don't care about Tennessee. I do care about USC, and I love the hire.

 

[drexlersdad]

In an industry with such high expectations, where coaches are fired fairly easily, for one bad season, I don't think any coach is not going to take a better job because of some generally accepted practice of giving a 3 year commitment. Meh, whatever. I don't care about Tennessee. I do care about USC, and I love the hire.

you like usc and you LOVE this hire? lets see is it....

the dismal nfl coaching performance of 5-15, followed by bickering, lawsuits and bad blood?
or
the very mediocre ONE season of college coaching (7-6) with possible ncaa violations, pissed off recruits, and bad blood with the school?

this guy has zero track record of being successful at all as a head coach.

he DOES have a track record of leaving his former jobs in shambles and wishing they never hired him though.

 

[RR7]

Wait, HE left the Raiders in shambles, they weren't already that way? Haha. That's rich. That team is a fucking joke. Al Davis is a moron. But all of a sudden, people are going to think he made a smart move? Sure. Whatever.

As for Tennessee, immediately upon being hired, he was able to bring in a top 15 recruiting class, and had the #6 class this season. And improved their record in a tough conference, largely without his own players, which is always difficult for coaches to do. And played a lot of good teams close. What was he supposed to do, make them an immediate national champion contender? Sorry, that doesn't generally happen overnight if you inherit a bad program. Look at Pete Carroll's first year on the job in college. And what had he proven before that?

I'm not worried aboutrecruits being upset. Of course they are. They committed to a school, and now the coach they committed to is gone. Any school that that happens at leaves recruits upset. His track record is teams wishing they never hired him? Has Tennessee already come out and said that? Or is it the Raiders you're talking about? I'll laugh again at using the Raiders as an example. Haha.

 

[Shapecity]

It's a strong staff on paper for USC. None of it will matter in 3 weeks when they get sanctioned for NCAA violations.

 

[Minstrel]

Yeah, blaming Kiffin for the mess in Oakland is crazy. The Raiders have been screwed up almost continuously since they moved back to Oakland, with the exception of the Gruden years (not coincidentally, the only stretch of time that Al Davis backed off a little...which obviously didn't last).

I don't know that Kiffin will be a great hire, but he's definitely an interesting choice.

 

[drexlersdad]

Wait, HE left the Raiders in shambles, they weren't already that way? Haha. That's rich. That team is a fucking joke. Al Davis is a moron. But all of a sudden, people are going to think he made a smart move? Sure. Whatever.

As for Tennessee, immediately upon being hired, he was able to bring in a top 15 recruiting class, and had the #6 class this season. And improved their record in a tough conference, largely without his own players, which is always difficult for coaches to do. And played a lot of good teams close. What was he supposed to do, make them an immediate national champion contender? Sorry, that doesn't generally happen overnight if you inherit a bad program. Look at Pete Carroll's first year on the job in college. And what had he proven before that?

I'm not worried aboutrecruits being upset. Of course they are. They committed to a school, and now the coach they committed to is gone. Any school that that happens at leaves recruits upset. His track record is teams wishing they never hired him? Has Tennessee already come out and said that? Or is it the Raiders you're talking about? I'll laugh again at using the Raiders as an example. Haha.

raiders cant suck forever, a coach will eventually turn them around, like kiffen couldnt, before he got fired midseason and called a liar, much like most of his recruits are likely calling him now.

2 jobs, 2+ seasons as a head coach, 2 shady exits. bad/mediocre teams.

im happy that you are happy, but really? you think he was their first choice? they got passes from all of the top candidates when their head coach bolted them because they are about to recieve ncaa penalties. but lane kiffen is the answer. haha

 

[drexlersdad]

Yeah, blaming Kiffin for the mess in Oakland is crazy. The Raiders have been screwed up almost continuously since they moved back to Oakland, with the exception of the Gruden years (not coincidentally, the only stretch of time that Al Davis backed off a little...which obviously didn't last).

I don't know that Kiffin will be a great hire, but he's definitely an interesting choice.

i guess you bought rr7's strawman, i never blamed kiffen for the raiders sucking, only said he left them in shambles, which he did.

if they were in shambles when he got there, he had over a year and did nothing to help, at most.

 

[Ed O]

It is the generally acceptable practice for coaches to make an oral committment for 3 years at all levels.

What? Where do you get this from?

And if it's true, it's a worthless practice, given how many teams fire coaches and how many coaches leave within two years.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

i guess you bought rr7's strawman, i never blamed kiffen for the raiders sucking, only said he left them in shambles, which he did.

That seems like a PapaG-esque dodge. "I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. It's a fact, isn't it?"

Bringing it up in a post that seemed to be critical about Kiffin certainly implied to me that you considered it a mark against him.

if they were in shambles when he got there, he had over a year and did nothing to help, at most.

Over a year? He was hired in Jan 2007 and relieved of his job in Jan 2008. (While he was technically fired in September, he was reportedly given a letter of resignation to sign in January...so he was effectively no longer in charge from that point on.) He had exactly one year to reverse what has been a franchise in shambles for years. In addition, the team is run by an owner who's lost what football skills he once had but insists on making every football decision.

On all levels, I think using the Raiders as any measure of Kiffin is a poor idea.

 

[RR7]

Well, they CAN suck forever. Many teams go through very long period of sucking. Especially when you have a jack ass for an owner.

Regardless, I'm happy with the hire. I dunno if he was their first choice. He was my first choice. The media always likes to speculate on who the top choices are. People pull their names out of consideration before they are considered. Do YOU know who their first choice was? Are you just going to assume it was whoever they tell you it is? Fair enough.

Don't know why you're laughing at me because I am happy about a coaching hire. He lied to recruits? Gimme a break. At the time, he wasn't lying to them. He recruited them to Tennessee, where he was the coach. Did he know he was going to be the USC coach, but was thinking it was a good idea to recruit kids to a different school? He didn't lie to any kids. It sucks for the kids, I admit that. College sports in general do, for reasons like this. They get screwed, and the coaches or schools generally do not. But he's a liar? Because he left a job? Or all you actually have to go off of is Al Fucking Davis.

Good argument there.

2 jobs. 1 being fired by a nut job, and how is leaving for a better job a "shady exit"? Was Brian Kelly's exit from Notre Dame shady as well? Or really ANY college coach going to a better job? Was Urban Meyer shady when he went to Florida? Or to Utah?

I don't see any shady exits there.

 

[drexlersdad]

Over a year? He was hired in Jan 2007 and relieved of his job in Jan 2008. (While he was technically fired in September, he was reportedly given a letter of resignation to sign in January...so he was effectively no longer in charge from that point on.) He had exactly one year to reverse what has been a franchise in shambles for years. In addition, the team is run by an owner who's lost what football skills he once had but insists on making every football decision.

On all levels, I think using the Raiders as any measure of Kiffin is a poor idea.

how about bad judgement for taking the job in the first place?

oh and he coached 4 games the second year, just saying.

rr7, im happy that your happy, just, imo, he doesnt have the credentials to run one of the premier programs in the country.

 

[drexlersdad]

im off to work, get back to this laterish

 

[Minstrel]

how about bad judgement for taking the job in the first place?

Heh heh, I suppose you could say that. Though, I'll bet it's hard to turn down an NFL head coaching job...even for someone like Davis. Kiffin probably thought he'd be given a Gruden-type opportunity.

 

[RR7]

What credentials did Pete Carroll have? He was a mediocre NFL coach for what, 4 years? What credentials did Chip Kelly have taking over Oregon? He was never a head coach. Nick Saban had some very mediocre years at Michigan State before getting the LSU job. Who was Bob Stoops before Oklahoma hired him? Mike Riley sucked at Oregon State and San Diego before coming back to Oregon State and doing good. Jim Tressell coach at Youngstown State, and made the leap to Ohio State.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

What? Where do you get this from?

And if it's true, it's a worthless practice, given how many teams fire coaches and how many coaches leave within two years.

Ed O.

Bellotti at UO espouses this opinion. He seems like he knows what he's talking about.

 

[RR7]

Where has Belotti said this?

And also, how does one coach saying it make it an unwritten rule for all of college football?

 

[drexlersdad]

What credentials did Pete Carroll have? He was a mediocre NFL coach for what, 4 years? What credentials did Chip Kelly have taking over Oregon? He was never a head coach. Nick Saban had some very mediocre years at Michigan State before getting the LSU job. Who was Bob Stoops before Oklahoma hired him? Mike Riley sucked at Oregon State and San Diego before coming back to Oregon State and doing good. Jim Tressell coach at Youngstown State, and made the leap to Ohio State.

carroll was an assistant and head coach for 21 years (16 in the NFL) before he took over at USC.

saban was an assistant or head coach for 27 years before the LSU job, including 6 in the nfl.

the 5 years prior to stoops taking over the sooners were 23-33-1, they were bottom feeding.

and tressell??? tressell was a coach and assistant for 27 years before the ohio state job, including 4 national championships at youngstown state and multiple coach of the year awards.