Last night on Talkin Ball Dwight Jaynes called DMC a bad teammate

[BigGameDamian]

He said nobody wanted him and his teammates hate his guts. I remember similar things Jason Quick said about Rasheed when he was a Blazers. Which is the worst teammate and the more skillful player? Rasheed did get the Blazers to the WCF.

 

[H.C.]

Denny your fake account is so wrong right now.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I'm not calling Rasheed a bad teammate and everyone hates him but it was reported that way just like it is for DMC. I was a big Rasheed fan.

 

[Haakzilla]

Worst teammate = DMC // More skillful player = Sheed

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't recall anyone calling Sheed a bad teammate. Most players enjoyed playing with him.

I would still take a chance on DMC, but I can't say I enjoyed watching him play last night. I find his antics extremely annoying.
Dame ain't changing that.

And his defense (Similar to the Olympics this last summer) is not a focus for him. Which I guess when you are putting up 50 you can get away with.

But there is no way in hell I would trade CJ for him. Dame is not on every night (I.e last night) so having two scoring guards is necessary. And I still say it is easier to find a defensive center than finding someone who can score like CJ.

 

[e_blazer]

I don't recall anyone calling Sheed a bad teammate. Most players enjoyed playing with him.

I would still take a chance on DMC, but I can't say I enjoyed watching him play last night. I find his antics extremely annoying.
Dame ain't changing that.

And his defense (Similar to the Olympics this last summer) is not a focus for him. Which I guess when you are putting up 50 you can get away with.

But there is no way in hell I would trade CJ for him. Dame is not on every night (I.e last night) so having two scoring guards is necessary. And I still say it is easier to find a defensive center than finding someone who can score like CJ.

This. A Blazers team with Boogie on it might score 150 points on the nights that he's on and not getting ejected. Of course, they might give up 160 points. We need a dependable, steady defensive presence at center. If he can score 15 to 20 ppg, so much the better, but defense needs to be the primary focus, IMO.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Mods,

Any chance we can consolidate this with one of the the billion DeMarcus Cousins threads in this forum? Do we really need another DMC thread every time the guy breaks wind, behaves like a petulant man child, loses his temper, gets a coach fired, yells at the refs, threatens someone in the media, throws his teammates under the bus, get suspended for conduct detrimental to the team, or is just a huge fucking douchebag?

BNM

 

[Nikolokolus]

This. A Blazers team with Boogie on it might score 150 points on the nights that he's on and not getting ejected. Of course, they might give up 160 points. We need a dependable, steady defensive presence at center. If he can score 15 to 20 ppg, so much the better, but defense needs to be the primary focus, IMO.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/couside01.html
http://www.82games.com/1617/16SAC14.HTM

According to his advanced stats, he's really not that bad on defense.

 

[e_blazer]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/couside01.html
http://www.82games.com/1617/16SAC14.HTM

According to his advanced stats, he's really not that bad on defense.

The guy's got the body and talent to do whatever he damn well pleases on a basketball court. Unfortunately, with his immature mentality, what he damn well pleases to do a lot of the time is pout, posture, and ignore defensive play (couldn't think of another P word).

 

[TBpup]

Worst teammate = DMC // Most skillful player = Sheed

Sheed was talented but he never came close to the production DMC put up last night. And he's done it before.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I realize Cousins is a very polarizing figure, and I have grave doubts about how it would work out if he were traded to Portland, but I'm a high-risk, high-reward thinker. Especially when I know that "playing it safe" for this current roster (i.e. making some trades around the margins) isn't likely to get them any closer to winning a title. So when I'm presented with the potential for colossal failure or ultimate success, or mediocre failure and no chance of ultimate success, I think it's worth the risk, because I don't think we're actually risking anything.

 

[Boob-No-More]

He said nobody wanted him and his teammates hate his guts. I remember similar things Jason Quick said about Rasheed when he was a Blazers. Which is the worst teammate and the more skillful player? Rasheed did get the Blazers to the WCF.

Sheed didn't "get the Blazers to the WCF". That was a STACKED team. He was just one piece. We don't make it to the WCF in 1999 without Brain Grant's defense on Karl Malone. Malone was MVP that season, and Grant held him to 20 ppg on .430 FG% in that series. Malone had an ORtg of 112 for the regular season, but Grant held him to ORtg = 99 in that series.

Meanwhile, on the other end, Grant outplayed Sheed averaging 13.3 ppg and 9.8 rpg to Sheed's 12.0/4.7.

In 2000, BGrant was gone, but it wasn't Sheed leading us to the WCF. The road to the WCF again went through UTA. It was a team effort. Steve Smith led the team in scoring with 16.2 ppg on .564 FG% and .500 3FG%. Sabonis was at 13.4 ppg and 8.2 rpg on .521 FG%. Sheed was 13.8 ppg, 5.6 pg on .453 FG%. Greg Anthony's 4th quarter defense on John Stockton was also a big key to winning that series and advancing to the WCF against the Lakers.

I get that there are still Sheed fans around here, but this myth that he came up big in the post season and led us (almost) to the promised land is nothing more than revisionist history. He did no such thing. Sheed was a role player, a very talented role player, not a leader. That's why he was successful in DET. That team had plenty of other strong leaders. Sheed was the 3rd option on offense and had Ben Wallace to anchor the defense and control the boards. Sheed just got to be Sheed, average 13 ppg and 7 rpg and that was all they needed out of him.

BNM

 

[julius]

He said nobody wanted him and his teammates hate his guts. I remember similar things Jason Quick said about Rasheed when he was a Blazers. Which is the worst teammate and the more skillful player? Rasheed did get the Blazers to the WCF.

I don't remember people saying he was a bad teammate. Maybe this is like when you said Damian drank like a fish.

 

[H.C.]

Sheed didn't "get the Blazers to the WCF". That was a STACKED team. He was just one piece. We don't make it to the WCF in 1999 without Brain Grant's defense on Karl Malone. Malone was MVP that season, and Grant held him to 20 ppg on .430 FG% in that series. Malone had an ORtg of 112 for the regular season, but Grant held him to ORtg = 99 in that series.

Meanwhile, on the other end, Grant outplayed Sheed averaging 13.3 ppg and 9.8 rpg to Sheed's 12.0/4.7.

In 2000, BGrant was gone, but it wasn't Sheed leading us to the WCF. The road to the WCF again went through UTA. It was a team effort. Steve Smith led the team in scoring with 16.2 ppg on .564 FG% and .500 3FG%. Sabonis was at 13.4 ppg and 8.2 rpg on .521 FG%. Sheed was 13.8 ppg, 5.6 pg on .453 FG%. Greg Anthony's 4th quarter defense on John Stockton was also a big key to winning that series and advancing to the WCF against the Lakers.

I get that there are still Sheed fans around here, but this myth that he came up big in the post season and led us (almost) to the promised land is nothing more than revisionist history. He did no such thing. Sheed was a role player, a very talented role player, not a leader. That's why he was successful in DET. That team had plenty of other strong leaders. Sheed was the 3rd option on offense and had Ben Wallace to anchor the defense and control the boards. Sheed just got to be Sheed, average 13 ppg and 7 rpg and that was all they needed out of him.

BNM

So glad you mentioned Sabonis.
If you could point to anyone leading those teams imo it was him. Def wasn't Sheed.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Mods,

Any chance we can consolidate this with one of the the billion DeMarcus Cousins threads in this forum? Do we really need another DMC thread every time the guy breaks wind, behaves like a petulant man child, loses his temper, gets a coach fired, yells at the refs, threatens someone in the media, throws his teammates under the bus, get suspended for conduct detrimental to the team, or is just a huge fucking douchebag?

BNM

It's Christmas, everyone gets a thread!

But I will clean house later tonight and merge a few threads.

 

[HailBlazers]

I don't remember people saying he was a bad teammate. Maybe this is like when you said Damian drank like a fish.

IMO you're a bad teammate if you let your emotions go unchecked (be put above the team) and negatively effect the outcome of a game, whether its via technical fouls or prima donna displays that distract from team cohesiveness.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Last night on Smashing Blazers Cousins said Meyers sucks and he has no idea who the bald old fat guy is whose talking shit about him.

 

[julius]

IMO you're a bad teammate if you let your emotions go unchecked (be put above the team) and negatively effect the outcome of a game, whether its via technical fouls or prima donna displays that distract from team cohesiveness.

I can see that, but I think that his teammates loved him, which is contrary to what bgd implied.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Last night on Smashing Blazers Cousins said Meyers sucks and he has no idea who the bald old fat guy is whose talking shit about him.

 

[julius]

Last night on Smashing Blazers Cousins said Meyers sucks and he has no idea who the bald old fat guy is whose talking shit about him.

what does HCP have to do with this?

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't recall anyone calling Sheed a bad teammate. Most players enjoyed playing with him.

I would still take a chance on DMC, but I can't say I enjoyed watching him play last night. I find his antics extremely annoying.
Dame ain't changing that.

And his defense (Similar to the Olympics this last summer) is not a focus for him. Which I guess when you are putting up 50 you can get away with.

But there is no way in hell I would trade CJ for him. Dame is not on every night (I.e last night) so having two scoring guards is necessary. And I still say it is easier to find a defensive center than finding someone who can score like CJ.

Yep. Last night sealed the deal on me not wanting DMC. NOt because of his antics. If we ar wining I think most of us could handle that, but the key word is winning.

TRhe way he let CJ vblow by him several times told me he will not be a help on the defensive end. he may pick up some boards, but thats only if the guys he lets getto the rim miss. He is not a shot blocker and doesnt seem to know how to play team D at all. NOt what we need.

Sorry, turnign the page on him. We need a two way guard and a rim protector.


Nerlens Noel and Paul George.

Trade as many players as it taskes except Dame/Harkless/Plumlee. resign Plumlee and have him come off the bench behind Noel.

something has to change though. Thats all I know.

 

[julius]

that might be the best perpetual motion animated gif I've ever seen.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I realize Cousins is a very polarizing figure, and I have grave doubts about how it would work out if he were traded to Portland, but I'm a high-risk, high-reward thinker. Especially when I know that "playing it safe" for this current roster (i.e. making some trades around the margins) isn't likely to get them any closer to winning a title. So when I'm presented with the potential for colossal failure or ultimate success, or mediocre failure and no chance of ultimate success, I think it's worth the risk, because I don't think we're actually risking anything.

Doesn't that depend on who we trade to get him? If you are talking CJ and future 1st round picks....then after it goes bad and we need to tank......we are kind of screwed for years.

I am all for taking a risk on the Boogie man, but if the goal is to beat the Warriors and the Cav's......we will need more than just Cousins and Dame left on the roster. I know you are one of those who is willing to be patient and tank for awhile in order to get lucky in the lottery in order to get better. I on the other hand would rather be be patient with a mediocre team and hope to get lucky with a mid first round pick. (or 2nd round pick or a FA like Whiteside when he was signed by Miami the first time. ) Either way we need the same amount of luck.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Trade as many players as it taskes except Dame/Harkless/Plumlee. resign Plumlee and have him come off the bench behind Noel.

something has to change though. Thats all I know.

Keep in mind that defensively we have struggled just as much against SF's and stretch 4's (and stretch 5') than we have against guards. Players like Gasol, Durant, Griffin, George, Love, Davis, Gallanari.......all these guys have been lighting it up from deep and guess who is often covering those guys? The one guy most people want to keep. Harkless.

Everyone is on Dame and CJ ( and our rim protectors) when the bigger issue are the forwards and centers who are wide open from mid range and beyond.

 

[riverman]

Do you guys think any team journalist wants to interview Boogie in Portland?...he'd mop the floor with Daddy Warbucks around here!

 

[HolyBackboard]

Sheed didn't "get the Blazers to the WCF". That was a STACKED team. He was just one piece. We don't make it to the WCF in 1999 without Brain Grant's defense on Karl Malone. Malone was MVP that season, and Grant held him to 20 ppg on .430 FG% in that series. Malone had an ORtg of 112 for the regular season, but Grant held him to ORtg = 99 in that series.

Meanwhile, on the other end, Grant outplayed Sheed averaging 13.3 ppg and 9.8 rpg to Sheed's 12.0/4.7.

In 2000, BGrant was gone, but it wasn't Sheed leading us to the WCF. The road to the WCF again went through UTA. It was a team effort. Steve Smith led the team in scoring with 16.2 ppg on .564 FG% and .500 3FG%. Sabonis was at 13.4 ppg and 8.2 rpg on .521 FG%. Sheed was 13.8 ppg, 5.6 pg on .453 FG%. Greg Anthony's 4th quarter defense on John Stockton was also a big key to winning that series and advancing to the WCF against the Lakers.

I get that there are still Sheed fans around here, but this myth that he came up big in the post season and led us (almost) to the promised land is nothing more than revisionist history. He did no such thing. Sheed was a role player, a very talented role player, not a leader. That's why he was successful in DET. That team had plenty of other strong leaders. Sheed was the 3rd option on offense and had Ben Wallace to anchor the defense and control the boards. Sheed just got to be Sheed, average 13 ppg and 7 rpg and that was all they needed out of him.

BNM

Sheed was the #1 reason why that series with the Lakers went 7 games. We had no answer for Shaq and Kobe, but they had no answer for Rasheed.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Doesn't that depend on who we trade to get him? If you are talking CJ and future 1st round picks....then after it goes bad and we need to tank......we are kind of screwed for years.

I am all for taking a risk on the Boogie man, but if the goal is to beat the Warriors and the Cav's......we will need more than just Cousins and Dame left on the roster. I know you are one of those who is willing to be patient and tank for awhile in order to get lucky in the lottery in order to get better. I on the other hand would rather be be patient with a mediocre team and hope to get lucky with a mid first round pick. (or 2nd round pick or a FA like Whiteside when he was signed by Miami the first time. ) Either way we need the same amount of luck.

I know I'm in the minority, but I've always held the belief that if you're not competing for titles, then it doesn't matter to me if you are watching a .500 team or a .200 team; either record leaves you equally "screwed," on the outside looking in.

As for giving it time and being patient with a mediocre team, this roster is kind of a dumpster fire in my opinion. It's the worst Blazers team I've ever watched on defense and that's saying something, considering how bad they were after they blew up the "Jailblazers" team. It's an oddly fitting team filled with pieces who don't quite fit and is regressing all over the place. Making matters worse our two best players, CJ and Lillard are basically an unsalvageable disaster on defense that also overlaps too much on offense to maximize each other's talents. I love both guys' demeanor and you couldn't ask for better ambassadors for the team, but this a bad pairing and probably needs to be broken up.

To complicate matters, age is going to start being a factor: Damian is going to be 27 next year and how many more prime years is he going to have? So even assuming Neil lucked out and drafted a great player at 15th-17th, how long until he can contribute to a title run? Two years? Three years? The window may close before it even opens.

 

[Sinobas]

I saw Dwight Jaynes on highway 217 today. I recognized him just by seeing the back of his head, then looked back as I was passing him to confirm it was him. He was picking his nose. (not that there's any shame in that)

 

[Boob-No-More]

Sheed was the #1 reason why that series with the Lakers went 7 games. We had no answer for Shaq and Kobe, but they had no answer for Rasheed.

Not really. Yes, Sheed had a great series against the Lakers, but he did most of his damage in games we lost. His two highest scoring games in that series were 34 points in Game 4 and 30 points in Game 7.

Games 5 and 6 were the critical wins that allowed us to stretch the series to 7 games.

In game 5, Sheed had 22 points on 7-21 shooting. Scottie Pippen had a turn-back-the-clock game of 22 points on 8-12 shooting.

In game 6, Sheed was 3rd on the team in scoring at 18 points. Smitty led the team with 26 and Bonzi chipped in 20 off the bench.

Besides, we lost that series, so Sheed didn't "lead" us anywhere. He was an important part of those teams, but I can't think of a single example of Sheed ever leading us to a series win. I'm sure there had to be something, maybe a first round win over a lower seed, but he never "led" us to the WCF, as the OP claimed, or beyond.

And, he didn't "lead" DET to a championship. In fact, it was his boneheaded play of leaving Robert Horry wide open for the game winning 3 the following season that cost DET a chance at a repeat. And then how many times did he guarantee they'd win a series and fail to deliver?

Great role player, yes, without a doubt. Great leader, not even close.

BNM

 

[BigGameDamian]

I realize Cousins is a very polarizing figure, and I have grave doubts about how it would work out if he were traded to Portland, but I'm a high-risk, high-reward thinker. Especially when I know that "playing it safe" for this current roster (i.e. making some trades around the margins) isn't likely to get them any closer to winning a title. So when I'm presented with the potential for colossal failure or ultimate success, or mediocre failure and no chance of ultimate success, I think it's worth the risk, because I don't think we're actually risking anything.

I couldn't agree more with this. If I could hit likes a thousand times I would! Lots of people just like to play it safe and that's just not how things get done.