Latest semi-crazy trade thought

[Rastapopoulos]

As Blazers Edge convincingly argues, the real competition for Bayless is not Steve Blake so much as Roy and Miller, because they are all similar players that can't coexist very well. With that in mind, consider the following trade suggestion:

Andre Miller and Martell Webster for Rip Hamilton

I've suggested picking up Hamilton before, and of course the major objection is that we have both Roy and Rudy at SG. But I think you could actually conceivably play all three together because they have complementary games (a bit like playing Jordan, Harper and Pippen together, only not as good, of course). Roy is very Chauncey Billups-esque, and we know that Hamilton can play next to him. At the same time, Hamilton is capable of double-digit assists, so Roy wouldn't have to be just a PG. And Rudy is also an unselfish passer. The main bonus for a lot of people on this board would be that the player Hamilton would most likely take minutes from is Steve Blake - provided, of course, that Hamilton's defense is adequate.

Of course, the danger would be that Blake would then be played ahead of Rudy.

Would Detroit go for it? Well, they have pileup problems of their own. They already had Ben Gordon, Rodney Stuckey and Rip, and now Will Bynum has emerged (and now even Chucky Atkins is playing well). I'm not sure the trade helps immediately because obviously Miller adds to the mix, but at least Miller's contract is shorter and smaller than Hamilton's.

Of course the REAL reason is to bring Rip to Rip City.

 

[B-Roy]

Rudy is not a point guard. At all. He can't guard points for one. Secondly, he can't bring the ball up the court in pressure and has (major) trouble dealing with traps.

 

[MrJayremmie]

I agree w/ B-Roy. Rudy is a good playmaker in the half court, and a very good passer with really good vision, but that doesn't equal a PG. Unless we are talking Rudy playing with Bayless, and Bayless guarding PGs and bringing up the ball with Rudy/Roy being the main playmaker in the half court.

 

[Kaydow]

As Blazers Edge convincingly argues, the real competition for Bayless is not Steve Blake so much as Roy and Miller, because they are all similar players that can't coexist very well. With that in mind, consider the following trade suggestion:

Andre Miller and Martell Webster for Rip Hamilton

I've suggested picking up Hamilton before, and of course the major objection is that we have both Roy and Rudy at SG. But I think you could actually conceivably play all three together because they have complementary games (a bit like playing Jordan, Harper and Pippen together, only not as good, of course). Roy is very Chauncey Billups-esque, and we know that Hamilton can play next to him. At the same time, Hamilton is capable of double-digit assists, so Roy wouldn't have to be just a PG. And Rudy is also an unselfish passer. The main bonus for a lot of people on this board would be that the player Hamilton would most likely take minutes from is Steve Blake - provided, of course, that Hamilton's defense is adequate.

Of course, the danger would be that Blake would then be played ahead of Rudy.

Would Detroit go for it? Well, they have pileup problems of their own. They already had Ben Gordon, Rodney Stuckey and Rip, and now Will Bynum has emerged (and now even Chucky Atkins is playing well). I'm not sure the trade helps immediately because obviously Miller adds to the mix, but at least Miller's contract is shorter and smaller than Hamilton's.

Of course the REAL reason is to bring Rip to Rip City.

I love Rip Hamilton. There's a lot of miles on those tires though, and he's $12 million a year until 2013. If he can play like the Rip we know until then, he's worth it. There is noboby better coming of screens in the league - talk about a guy who doesn't need to handle the ball to score . . . why would the Pistons do this? To Shed salary? They just went out last summer and spent a bunch of jack on Gordan and Charile V. They've won 6/7 and just got Rip back - I can't imagine they are in salary dumping mode already. The only other reason to trade Rip w/o getting much in return (yeah, I don't think they'd be too excited about Miller & Webster) is if they think Rip is washed up, or lost a step.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I love Rip Hamilton. There's a lot of miles on those tires though, and he's $12 million a year until 2013. If he can play like the Rip we know until then, he's worth it. There is noboby better coming of screens in the league - talk about a guy who doesn't need to handle the ball to score . . . why would the Pistons do this? To Shed salary? They just went out last summer and spent a bunch of jack on Gordan and Charile V. They've won 6/7 and just got Rip back - I can't imagine they are in salary dumping mode already. The only other reason to trade Rip w/o getting much in return (yeah, I don't think they'd be too excited about Miller & Webster) is if they think Rip is washed up, or lost a step.

They have the same reason to trade Rip as we have to trade Miller: too many pieces. Of course, that problem would NOT be solved for them by getting Miller, so perhaps this needs to be a three-way. (And Rip is still younger than Andre. And, for that matter, Chauncey Billups, whom I'm sure we'd all love to have. Of course, he's probably played more games than Miller, because of the Pistons' multiple playoff runs. But wouldn't it be nice to have a player who's used to deep playoff runs?)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Rudy is not a point guard. At all. He can't guard points for one. Secondly, he can't bring the ball up the court in pressure and has (major) trouble dealing with traps.

How did the Bulls deal with this? Who brought the ball up out of Pippen, Jordan and Harper? I'm guessing Pippen. If he could, couldn't Roy?

 

[Nikolokolus]

How did the Bulls deal with this? Who brought the ball up out of Pippen, Jordan and Harper? I'm guessing Pippen. If he could, couldn't Roy?

The problem is I don't see this being a much of a comparison at all. Harper was primarily a defender and Pippen was one of the best two way players of all time, who could guard 1-4. what would we be left with? Roy who has proven himself to be a very mediocre defender, Rudy who can generate some steals but doesn't really play great D, and Hamilton is no lockdown guy either.

I dunno, I just don't see this doing much to alleviate the problems this team seems to have which is mostly related to too many players (when healthy) that need lots of shots to play at their best and for a team that plays so slow and doesn't force many turnovers how do you keep Rip, Rudy, Roy, LaMarcus and lots of other players happy?

 

[Kaydow]

How did the Bulls deal with this? Who brought the ball up out of Pippen, Jordan and Harper? I'm guessing Pippen. If he could, couldn't Roy?

It wasn't one guy. Pippen did quite often, but Jordan, Kukoc, Kerr, Harper all brought the ball up too.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I dunno, I just don't see this doing much to alleviate the problems this team seems to have which is mostly related to too many players (when healthy) that need lots of shots to play at their best and for a team that plays so slow and doesn't force many turnovers how do you keep Rip, Rudy, Roy, LaMarcus and lots of other players happy?

Play three starters who don't take shots? Oh wait, we're doing that already.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Play three starters who don't take shots? Oh wait, we're doing that already.

Great. We'll change the faces and the problem will remain the same.