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the fact is our offense has become sloppy and too predictable.
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I think Frank is just in way over his head with this squad, and our injuries are doing him no favors believe me. But i'm agreeing because of just how lifeless time and time again we see the Nets come out in 3rd quarters. He has said the same thing to them 4000 times and it clearly doesn't hav the impact it used to. Kidd couldn't look any less on his game tonight and i'm thinking it's starting to finally get to him and we all know quite well what kind of tantrums he can throw when he's unhappy. Our rotations are crap and we have no harmony with all the bigman shuffling we're doing. If we don;t get a win on this trip, as difficult of a task as that may be, I can't imagine Frank being the coach long after.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (meltz1)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Even without Carter, Armstrong, and Williams, the Nets performance over the past few games is completely unnacceptable. There is no way the nets should be playing this poorly with the personnel they have active.</p>
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Really?</p>
Besides the obviously impared Kidd and RJ, who else is even an above average NBA player?</p>
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Even without Carter, Armstrong, and Williams, the Nets performance over the past few games is completely unnacceptable. There is no way the nets should be playing this poorly with the personnel they have active.</p>
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Really?</p>
Besides the obviously impared Kidd and RJ, who else is even an above average NBA player?</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
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Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
</div></p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
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People aren't playing up to their potential, however you want to label that. I'm not saying that means everyone should be able to average 20/10, but this team is playing completely lost on both ends of the floor, and there are widespread turnover problems.</p>
Even if you don't think these players can be better, anybody can keep from playing this bad.</p>
Even if you don't think these players can be better, anybody can keep from playing this bad.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
People aren't playing up to their potential, however you want to label that. I'm not saying that means everyone should be able to average 20/10, but this team is playing completely lost on both ends of the floor, and there are widespread turnover problems.</p>
Even if you don't think these players can be better, anybody can keep from playing this bad.</p>
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Not if the other team doesn't cooperate.</p>
What weapons do the Nets have on either end to compete with the Hornets, Magic or Jazz?</p>
Those teams are deep and talented. The Nets are neither.</p>
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People aren't playing up to their potential, however you want to label that. I'm not saying that means everyone should be able to average 20/10, but this team is playing completely lost on both ends of the floor, and there are widespread turnover problems.</p>
Even if you don't think these players can be better, anybody can keep from playing this bad.</p>
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Not if the other team doesn't cooperate.</p>
What weapons do the Nets have on either end to compete with the Hornets, Magic or Jazz?</p>
Those teams are deep and talented. The Nets are neither.</p>
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Lebron James has NO ONE on his team right now. not even 30% overrated larry hughes. His team doesn't look even close to this atrocious. gotta point the finger to the coach when u can't score 80 and are giving up 100. May not be lawrence frank's FAULT but sometimes change is needed.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Lebron James has NO ONE on his team right now. not even 30% overrated larry hughes. His team doesn't look even close to this atrocious. gotta point the finger to the coach when u can't score 80 and are giving up 100. May not be lawrence frank's FAULT but sometimes change is needed.</p>
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LeBron is a real superstar and MVP candidate who hasn't even reached his prime.</p>
They have two other players averaging double doubles, they are shooting five percentage points higher than the Nets and they have exactly one more win.</p>
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Lebron James has NO ONE on his team right now. not even 30% overrated larry hughes. His team doesn't look even close to this atrocious. gotta point the finger to the coach when u can't score 80 and are giving up 100. May not be lawrence frank's FAULT but sometimes change is needed.</p>
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LeBron is a real superstar and MVP candidate who hasn't even reached his prime.</p>
They have two other players averaging double doubles, they are shooting five percentage points higher than the Nets and they have exactly one more win.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Lebron James has NO ONE on his team right now. not even 30% overrated larry hughes. His team doesn't look even close to this atrocious. gotta point the finger to the coach when u can't score 80 and are giving up 100. May not be lawrence frank's FAULT but sometimes change is needed.</p>
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LeBron is a real superstar and MVP candidate who hasn't even reached his prime.</p>
They have two other players averaging double doubles, they are shooting five percentage points higher than the Nets and they have exactly one more win.</div></p>
i stand corrected, can't argue with the facts
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Lebron James has NO ONE on his team right now. not even 30% overrated larry hughes. His team doesn't look even close to this atrocious. gotta point the finger to the coach when u can't score 80 and are giving up 100. May not be lawrence frank's FAULT but sometimes change is needed.</p>
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LeBron is a real superstar and MVP candidate who hasn't even reached his prime.</p>
They have two other players averaging double doubles, they are shooting five percentage points higher than the Nets and they have exactly one more win.</div></p>
i stand corrected, can't argue with the facts
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[quote name='bling890']</p>
[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='bling890']</p>
Lebron James has NO ONE on his team right now. not even 30% overrated larry hughes. His team doesn't look even close to this atrocious. gotta point the finger to the coach when u can't score 80 and are giving up 100. May not be lawrence frank's FAULT but sometimes change is needed.</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
LeBron is a real superstar and MVP candidate who hasn't even reached his prime.</p>
They have two other players averaging double doubles, they are shooting five percentage points higher than the Nets and they have exactly one more win.[/QUOTE]</p>
LOL. No correcting, just a little basketball discussion amongst us few strange people who still care about the NBA.</p>
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[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='bling890']</p>
Lebron James has NO ONE on his team right now. not even 30% overrated larry hughes. His team doesn't look even close to this atrocious. gotta point the finger to the coach when u can't score 80 and are giving up 100. May not be lawrence frank's FAULT but sometimes change is needed.</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
LeBron is a real superstar and MVP candidate who hasn't even reached his prime.</p>
They have two other players averaging double doubles, they are shooting five percentage points higher than the Nets and they have exactly one more win.[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>i stand corrected, can't argue with the facts</p>
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LOL. No correcting, just a little basketball discussion amongst us few strange people who still care about the NBA.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
</div></p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
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</p>
. Who do the Spurs have to make up for Duncan? Who do the Mavs have to make up for Dirk?</p>
Problem is the frontcourt!!!!! We have the worst frontcourt in the entire league. That's what stalls our offense and kills us.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
</div></p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
</div></p>
</p>
. Who do the Spurs have to make up for Duncan? Who do the Mavs have to make up for Dirk?</p>
Problem is the frontcourt!!!!! We have the worst frontcourt in the entire league. That's what stalls our offense and kills us.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
</div></p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
</div></p>
</p>
. Who do the Spurs have to make up for Duncan? Who do the Mavs have to make up for Dirk?</p>
</div></p>
Every single non-all-star player on those teams is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the Nets' equivalent. (It's strange that anyone would have to point that out to you.)</p>
And you are right about the frontcourt. How many years has it been this way? That's Frank's fault?</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
</div></p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
</div></p>
</p>
. Who do the Spurs have to make up for Duncan? Who do the Mavs have to make up for Dirk?</p>
</div></p>
Every single non-all-star player on those teams is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the Nets' equivalent. (It's strange that anyone would have to point that out to you.)</p>
And you are right about the frontcourt. How many years has it been this way? That's Frank's fault?</p>
</p>
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[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='Jizzy']</p>
[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='GMJigga']</p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>
. Who do the Spurs have to make up for Duncan? Who do the Mavs have to make up for Dirk?</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Every single non-all-star player on those teams is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the Nets' equivalent. (It's strange that anyone would have to point that out to you.)</p>
And you are right about the frontcourt. How many years has it been this way? That's Frank's fault?</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Brandon Bass? Juwan howard? Matt boner? These guys are scrubs, they look better by playing next to stars. Cmon, you know that.</p>
It's Frank's fault for not improving the offensive sets to maximize the talent that he DOES has. it's also hi fault for being lazy and not cracking down on a rotation early on. We're 8 games in and we still don't have a rotation. he needs to learn more from an experienced coach like Adleman, who was available. I know you know that,</p>
[quote name='Jizzy']</p>
[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='GMJigga']</p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>
. Who do the Spurs have to make up for Duncan? Who do the Mavs have to make up for Dirk?</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Every single non-all-star player on those teams is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the Nets' equivalent. (It's strange that anyone would have to point that out to you.)</p>
And you are right about the frontcourt. How many years has it been this way? That's Frank's fault?</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Brandon Bass? Juwan howard? Matt boner? These guys are scrubs, they look better by playing next to stars. Cmon, you know that.</p>
It's Frank's fault for not improving the offensive sets to maximize the talent that he DOES has. it's also hi fault for being lazy and not cracking down on a rotation early on. We're 8 games in and we still don't have a rotation. he needs to learn more from an experienced coach like Adleman, who was available. I know you know that,</p>
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[quote name='Jizzy']</p>
[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='Jizzy']</p>
[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='GMJigga']</p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>
. Who do the Spurs have to make up for Duncan? Who do the Mavs have to make up for Dirk?</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Every single non-all-star player on those teams is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the Nets' equivalent. (It's strange that anyone would have to point that out to you.)</p>
And you are right about the frontcourt. How many years has it been this way? That's Frank's fault?</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Brandon Bass? Juwan howard? Matt boner? These guys are scrubs, they look better by playing next to stars. Cmon, you know that.</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
They look better playing next to MVPs. Big difference.</p>
Those teams have better star players than the Nets, complimentary players that fit perfectly with those stars, and systems that everyone has played together for years.</p>
Still, the Nets got farther than the Mavericks last season. That's why it's nice to play in the East. It's why Thorn refuses to give Kidd away for nothing.</p>
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[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='Jizzy']</p>
[quote name='ghoti']</p>
[quote name='GMJigga']</p>
Who care about above-average? With average players we're not even playing like an average team. An average team wins as many as they lose, and doesn't think going down by 20 points is completely normal.</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Most teams have some star players to make up for all the crappy ones.</p>
Most teams have role players that actually do something to justify being on the court.</p>
Outside of Wright and Sean Williams, who is playing to his ability? (And those guys even at their at their best are not generating many wins for anyone.)</p>
Are Kidd and RJ playing like true star players?</p>
Face it, everybody overrated these players (especially Kidd) and now everyone is biitching that they are not as good as the hype.</p>
</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>
. Who do the Spurs have to make up for Duncan? Who do the Mavs have to make up for Dirk?</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Every single non-all-star player on those teams is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the Nets' equivalent. (It's strange that anyone would have to point that out to you.)</p>
And you are right about the frontcourt. How many years has it been this way? That's Frank's fault?</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Brandon Bass? Juwan howard? Matt boner? These guys are scrubs, they look better by playing next to stars. Cmon, you know that.</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
They look better playing next to MVPs. Big difference.</p>
Those teams have better star players than the Nets, complimentary players that fit perfectly with those stars, and systems that everyone has played together for years.</p>
Still, the Nets got farther than the Mavericks last season. That's why it's nice to play in the East. It's why Thorn refuses to give Kidd away for nothing.</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
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Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
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Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
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Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
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Watching yesterday, I realized how much of an idiot he is on offense. And at times, he can get lazy on defense. But he's got strength in rebounding, and once in a while he can block a shot or two.</p>
Also, I'm still waiting till January (or at least midseason) until I make my judgements about Magloire.</p>
On another note, Malik Allen sucks. He sucks on offense. He doesn't play defense. There is no reason to let a person get WIDE OPEN for a layup. WIDE OPEN. RIGHT UNDER THE FUCKING BASKET. There is nothing I hate more than seeing Malik Allen on the court, really.</p>
I really didn't think there was someone who could produce worse stats than Collins. And I am corrected. (not only that, Malik contributes nothing to a win).</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
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Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
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Watching yesterday, I realized how much of an idiot he is on offense. And at times, he can get lazy on defense. But he's got strength in rebounding, and once in a while he can block a shot or two.</p>
Also, I'm still waiting till January (or at least midseason) until I make my judgements about Magloire.</p>
On another note, Malik Allen sucks. He sucks on offense. He doesn't play defense. There is no reason to let a person get WIDE OPEN for a layup. WIDE OPEN. RIGHT UNDER THE FUCKING BASKET. There is nothing I hate more than seeing Malik Allen on the court, really.</p>
I really didn't think there was someone who could produce worse stats than Collins. And I am corrected. (not only that, Malik contributes nothing to a win).</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
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Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
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The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
</div></p>
Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
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The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
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Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
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The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
</div></p>
Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
</div></p>
The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
</div></p>
Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
</div></p>
The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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It was MY idea. I originally made a thread about Sean starting and Krstic off the bench</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
</div></p>
Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
</div></p>
The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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It was MY idea. I originally made a thread about Sean starting and Krstic off the bench</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
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Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
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The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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It was MY idea. I originally made a thread about Sean starting and Krstic off the bench</p>
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not that it matters, but i brought it up before the start of the season, but without mentioning Sean as the other starter--I had opined that Krstic and Collins aren't a good match together. I may have said something like Collins/Boone or, eventually, Collins/Sean would work better.</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
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The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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It was MY idea. I originally made a thread about Sean starting and Krstic off the bench</p>
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not that it matters, but i brought it up before the start of the season, but without mentioning Sean as the other starter--I had opined that Krstic and Collins aren't a good match together. I may have said something like Collins/Boone or, eventually, Collins/Sean would work better.</p>
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No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
</div></p>
Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
</div></p>
The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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I'm just afraid that putting Collins on the court with a collection of second-tier offensive players would really neutralize them and hamper their offense. I just see Collins as being most effective with Kidd, Carter/Wright, RJ, and Sean . . . when one or more of the big three get subbed out, then you need another offensive threat more than you need Collins' supporting skills, I think. So, in that sense, I see him as a role player--but that role is playing with the starting unit when whole. You're right, though; the more Magloier and Allen suck, the more likely it'll be that Collins will play 25 minutes a night--but it's not optimal. Hopefully Boone can step it up. He can rebound and score underneath and could compliment someone like Boki when he's playing the 4.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
No, I have to admit, Collins played well yesterday. His defense on Boozer was sure as hell better then the rest of our big mens attempts</p>
</div></p>
Hey Jizzy, remember that argument made by some people that Collins' plus-minus is good only because he plays with the starters? Yesterday Magloire was MINUS 21 in FOURTEEN MINUTES. Collins was plus-one in ten minutes.</p>
Remember my thought--expressed over and over--that Collins and Sean in the frontcourt with the starters would be a good combination? yesterday, the Kidd-RJ-Boki/Wright-Sean-Collins combowere +3 in roughly five and a half minutes.</p>
Not picking on you, just using your post to segue.</p>
</div></p>
The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of Krstic coming off the bench. It seems like guards are becoming more and more welcome to the idea of starring in a sixth man role, but I can't think of any power forwards or centers who are talented enough to start, but end up coming off the bench.</p>
So Dumpy, your Collins-Sean Theory seems to hold water, but you always seem to present it under the caveat that "Collins will be playing 15-20 minutes a night anyway." Considering the play of Magloire and Allen, and the health of Krstic, isn't Collins, at worst, our 3rd best big man anyway? That caveat seems less and less important with each successive impotant game Mags puts up...</p>
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I'm just afraid that putting Collins on the court with a collection of second-tier offensive players would really neutralize them and hamper their offense. I just see Collins as being most effective with Kidd, Carter/Wright, RJ, and Sean . . . when one or more of the big three get subbed out, then you need another offensive threat more than you need Collins' supporting skills, I think. So, in that sense, I see him as a role player--but that role is playing with the starting unit when whole. You're right, though; the more Magloier and Allen suck, the more likely it'll be that Collins will play 25 minutes a night--but it's not optimal. Hopefully Boone can step it up. He can rebound and score underneath and could compliment someone like Boki when he's playing the 4.</p>
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