Liberals want healthcare for illegals

[The_Lillard_King]

I think people like Plaxico Burress and Michael Vick should have healthcare too. Just becase they did something illegal doesn't mean we should discount them as people.

 

[mook]

No problem with me fining businesses who are breaking immigration laws.

See, I think this is an area that both liberals and conservatives can agree. If you want to end illegal immigration, take away the job opportunities.

Personally, I'd prefer a more graduated system. For example, you might hire a nanny and not even think to check for legal status. Should you have to eat a $40k fine? Probably not. But you should have to eat, say, a $500 fine the first time.

Any employer repeatedly caught should see drastically increasing fines. Maybe on the third strike you go to $40k. The net effect would be the same (illegal immigrants would leave) but it'd be less draconian.

The second step is that we'd need to re-think our legal immigration process. We're too reliant on cheep labor to just cut off the pipeline of new immigrants entirely. Right now it's completely un-sellable to suggest opening up the spigot of legal immigrants. But if we were able to get illegal immigration under control, I think a lot of people could come to a consensus on opening up our borders more to legal immigrants.

 

[zєяσ]

See, I think this is an area that both liberals and conservatives can agree. If you want to end illegal immigration, take away the job opportunities.

Personally, I'd prefer a more graduated system. For example, you might hire a nanny and not even think to check for legal status. Should you have to eat a $40k fine? Probably not. But you should have to eat, say, a $500 fine the first time.

Any employer repeatedly caught should see drastically increasing fines. Maybe on the third strike you go to $40k. The net effect would be the same (illegal immigrants would leave) but it'd be less draconian.

The second step is that we'd need to re-think our legal immigration process. We're too reliant on cheep labor to just cut off the pipeline of new immigrants entirely. Right now it's completely un-sellable to suggest opening up the spigot of legal immigrants. But if we were able to get illegal immigration under control, I think a lot of people could come to a consensus on opening up our borders more to legal immigrants.

You must spread around reputation....etc

 

[maxiep]

Why should their be a guest worker program at all? We don't want illegal immigrants then don't bring in bargain basement labor. I mean isn't the issue that illegals are stealing jobs/services from god fearing honest Americans? I fail to see how this helps that angle. We need to fine Corporations/Farms/Individuals that hire illegals and it needs to be a MASSIVE UNAVOIDABLE FINE. If you don't support that then you are just like Obama you want exceptions for your political reasons, in this case you want cheap labor for corporations (really cheap produce), just not granting the right of citizenship. Stick with your guns folks. Either you want them here working on the cheap, or you don't want them here. Guest worker is some serious BS that undercuts american citizens job opportunities and allows corporations to get insanely cheap labor that skews the entire labor market and forces wages down.

Requiring foreign labor has nothing to do with illegal immigration.

 

[Shooter]

See, I think this is an area that both liberals and conservatives can agree. If you want to end illegal immigration, take away the job opportunities.

I'm in full agreement with this, but unfortunately many liberals are not. They think that closing job opportunities to poor people from south of the border is cruel and inhuman, and that America should be a place that welcomes people from everywhere with open arms, even if they come here illegally.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Re: Liberals want health care for illegals

I'm in full agreement with this, but unfortunately many liberals are not. They think that closing job opportunities to poor people from south of the border is cruel and inhuman, and that America should be a place that welcomes people from everywhere with open arms, even if they come here illegally.

And many conservatives don't voice a strong opposition to illegal immigration or propose businesses be fined because that would damage most of their political contributions . . . and it would cost them more to up keep their country club, their house and their favorite restaurants.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

I'm in full agreement with this, but unfortunately many liberals are not. They think that closing job opportunities to poor people from south of the border is cruel and inhuman, and that America should be a place that welcomes people from everywhere with open arms, even if they come here illegally.

Wow. This may be one of the most ridiculously ignorant statements ever.

 

[Shooter]

Re: Liberals want health care for illegals

And many conservatives don't voice a strong opposition to illegal immigration or propose businesses be fined because that would damage most of their political contributions . . . and it would cost them more to up keep their country club, their house and their favorite restaurants.

I couldn't agree more. There's been a lot of cowardice on both sides of the aisle, and I'm just as disgusted with some of the Republicans as I am with the Democrats. However, the only complaints you hear about illegal immigration seem to come from conservatives.

 

[Shooter]

Wow. This may be one of the most ridiculously ignorant statements ever.

Where have you been?? Every time anyone talks about deporting illegals, or building a wall on our southern border, most liberals scream that you're "anti-immigration."

 

[maxiep]

Where have you been?? Every time anyone talks about deporting illegals, or building a wall on our southern border, most liberals scream that you're "anti-immigration."

Actually, they scream that you're "anti-immigrant" or worse, "racist".

 

[Eastoff]

Actually, they scream that you're "anti-immigrant" or worse, "racist".

clearly not the majority, but one would assume racists are going to be anti-immigration.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

What happens today when an illegal goes to the emergency room in a life-threatening state, gets treated, and is then unable to pay the bills he's accrued? Am I wrong in guessing the hospital's insurance covers that debt?

The wealthy pay for it. You know, those that are filthy stinking rich and are ruining America and need punishment. Those making $125,000+ per year.

 

[bodyman5001]

clearly not the majority, but one would assume racists are going to be anti-immigration.

One would assume racists would want to kill them too.

 

[bodyman5001]

Wow. This may be one of the most ridiculously ignorant statements ever.

Ok, but only because you quoted Shooter. If you could somehow have quoted what you wrote it wouldn't have been ignorant.Wait, that would have been ignorant but you wouldn't want to quote it. Wait, but then you would have nothing to quote so then you wouldn't have quoted anything in the first place. Wait, wouldn't that be like ripping a hole in the fabric of the universe and cause it to explode?

My head spins from thinking of the possibilities.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

If we really need the additional labor, then we need to set up a program where we process large numbers of unskilled workers, give them biometric IDs and then have the company be responsible for deporting them when their visa is up.

Does that mean it would be a government program? Like, with oversight and regulations? Sounds bad for business.

 

[maxiep]

Does that mean it would be a government program? Like, with oversight and regulations? Sounds bad for business.

It looks like someone doesn't understand the difference between limited government and anarchy.