Lillard for MVP 2021

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He was 33-1 to win it earlier this week, saw the same site today and down to 22-1 BUT he still has no chance unless the Blazers finish with a top 3 seed. The MVP award, especially in the NBA is a J-O-K-E! Right now I don't see how you can debate that he is the single most important player to his team in the league.
 
bigbailes said:
He was 33-1 to win it earlier this week, saw the same site today and down to 22-1 BUT he still has no chance unless the Blazers finish with a top 3 seed. The MVP award, especially in the NBA is a J-O-K-E! Right now I don't see how you can debate that he is the single most important player to his team in the league.
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Jokic might be more important... but the Nuggets aren't playing very well.
 
illmatic99 said:
Get ready for the debacle on TNT tonight with Luka getting the nod to start in the All Star game ahead of Dame.

Fan vote might be excusable. But he's gonna get the media vote as well. Just watch.
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Yup.
 
Always nice to hear stuff, but truthfully, we hear it in stretches through years past. It's how he does when the playoff comes that matters most. This year they HAVE to read the at least the conference finals (and be competitive in it), otherwise it's just another "what did he do in the playoffs".
 
julius said:
Always nice to hear stuff, but truthfully, we hear it in stretches through years past. It's how he does when the playoff comes that matters most. This year they HAVE to read the at least the conference finals (and be competitive in it), otherwise it's just another "what did he do in the playoffs".
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That's exactly what Skip said. I think it's unfair that Dame gets saddled with all our losses in the post season because a lot of it is having a crap supporting cast surrounding him and Terry not being able to figure out how to punish teams for trapping Dame.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Jokic might be more important... but the Nuggets aren't playing very well.
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Embiid is important to the Sixers, but the Blazers beat the Sixers - twice - once without Dame even playing. Do you think Dame lets a team that he's leading and that's the top team in its conference like the Sixers are, lose twice to another guy in the MVP discussion? Not happening.
 
illmatic99 said:
Get ready for the debacle on TNT tonight with Luka getting the nod to start in the All Star game ahead of Dame.

Fan vote might be excusable. But he's gonna get the media vote as well. Just watch.
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I remember a few years ago, when Dame (or maybe it was LMA) didn't make the team, and the excuse was that the team had a bad record (compared to the record of the teams from the players who made it, with arguably worse stats).

I'm not expecting him to start, but it's funny that the two players probably will start, are on teams with worse records.

I do feel bad for Donovan, as his team has the best record in the league...but the guy hasn't broken 20 in PER, compared to Luka, Steph and Dame each over 26 (and Dame is #1 of those 3, with 27).

It's hard to argue against either one of those two (Luka or Steph) to be honest. While it'd be nice if Dame got the recognition, I'm not worried nor do I care much.
 
julius said:
I remember a few years ago, when Dame (or maybe it was LMA) didn't make the team, and the excuse was that the team had a bad record (compared to the record of the teams from the players who made it, with arguably worse stats).

I'm not expecting him to start, but it's funny that the two players probably will start, are on teams with worse records.

I do feel bad for Donovan, as his team has the best record in the league...but the guy hasn't broken 20 in PER, compared to Luka, Steph and Dame each over 26 (and Dame is #1 of those 3, with 27).

It's hard to argue against either one of those two (Luka or Steph) to be honest. While it'd be nice if Dame got the recognition, I'm not worried nor do I care much.
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The hype around Curry and Doncic is super annoying. Especially Doncic. He's a fantastic player but what the hell has he accomplished other than gaudy stats?
 
julius said:
I remember a few years ago, when Dame (or maybe it was LMA) didn't make the team, and the excuse was that the team had a bad record (compared to the record of the teams from the players who made it, with arguably worse stats).

I'm not expecting him to start, but it's funny that the two players probably will start, are on teams with worse records.

I do feel bad for Donovan, as his team has the best record in the league...but the guy hasn't broken 20 in PER, compared to Luka, Steph and Dame each over 26 (and Dame is #1 of those 3, with 27).

It's hard to argue against either one of those two (Luka or Steph) to be honest. While it'd be nice if Dame got the recognition, I'm not worried nor do I care much.
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It's the goal lines moving. Kinda like my workplace and promotions. ugh
 
looking at the stats between the 3 players, the DBPM has it -1.7 (I think) for Dame, 0 for Step and 1 for Luka.

Maybe I'm dumb, but is that saying Dame is the worst defender of the 3?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Jokic might be more important... but the Nuggets aren't playing very well.
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He at least still has Murray ... Dame doing this with Kanter (?) as the 2nd best player on the floor is next level stuff.
 
julius said:
looking at the stats between the 3 players, the DBPM has it -1.7 (I think) for Dame, 0 for Step and 1 for Luka.

Maybe I'm dumb, but is that saying Dame is the worst defender of the 3?
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2nd. Higher number the better.
 
It could be worse, look at the Jazz. Top record in the NBA and no one talking about them having a MVP.
Dame should be 3rd for now, behind Lebron and Embiid.
 
My stat for the media talking heads:
Lillard has NEVER played with a top 20 player.
LBJ has never* NOT played with a top 20 player.

Yes, Lillard is exhausted come playoff time. He's always had to do what Lebron has always feared of doing.

*in the last 10 or so years.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Finally getting some love from people.

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Using the market is such a copout excuse. Did he forget that a guy from Milwaukee won the past two MVPs? Or about two players from OKC winning in the past decade? Call it like it is-- people just don't notice Dame because he doesn't dance around and smack his own chest after every three point shot he makes. Casuals.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
My stat for the media talking heads:
Lillard has NEVER played with a top 20 player.
LBJ has never NOT played with a top 20 player.

Yes, Lillard is exhausted come playoff time. He's always had to do what Lebron has always feared of doing.
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Those first couple years in Cleveland had another top 20 player? I thought the theory was that the year the Cavs made it to the finals (the first time) it was basically LeBron and 11 scrubs.
 
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/2/18/22289410/damian-lillard-clutch-all-star-mvp-blazers

Interesting article about Dame's one-man offense. No information we didn't already know, but some good numbers to back up the inferences. I kind of agree with it. Dame's heroics will work in the regular season, but it's going to be the same story in the playoffs against the best teams.

TL;DR

Dame, Harden and Steph are the most dominant one man offenses in the last few years, but they get their points in different ways.

Dame runs a million pick and rolls and hunts matchups.

Harden doesn't need a pick, he can isolate and get his own shots that way.

Steph plays off ball, and relies on his gravity to create openings and teammates to get him the ball.

The problem with being a pick and roll dominant guard is that teams with mobile and long defenders will trap and get the ball out of Dame's hands. There's no counter for that on this current iteration of the team. If Dame is going to stay a PnR dominant offensive player (which he is), he needs either a playmaking big man or someone else that can reliably make plays. The playmaking big man never existed outside of a few months in 18-19 before Nurk's injury, and CJ has never been a good enough secondary playmaker. If CJ's play so far this season is for real, that may be changing.
 
julius said:
Those first couple years in Cleveland had another top 20 player? I thought the theory was that the year the Cavs made it to the finals (the first time) it was basically LeBron and 11 scrubs.
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Yes, at the VERY beginning, Mo Williams was the 2nd best player on his team. The special case was 15+ years ago.
 
B-Roy said:
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/2/18/22289410/damian-lillard-clutch-all-star-mvp-blazers

Interesting article about Dame's one-man offense. No information we didn't already know, but some good numbers to back up the inferences. I kind of agree with it. Dame's heroics will work in the regular season, but it's going to be the same story in the playoffs against the best teams.

TL;DR

Dame, Harden and Steph are the most dominant one man offenses in the last few years, but they get their points in different ways.

Dame runs a million pick and rolls and hunts matchups.

Harden doesn't need a pick, he can isolate and get his own shots that way.

Steph plays off ball, and relies on his gravity to create openings and teammates to get him the ball.

The problem with being a pick and roll dominant guard is that teams with mobile and long defenders will trap and get the ball out of Dame's hands. There's no counter for that on this current iteration of the team. If Dame is going to stay a PnR dominant offensive player (which he is), he needs either a playmaking big man or someone else that can reliably make plays. The playmaking big man never existed outside of a few months in 18-19 before Nurk's injury, and CJ has never been a good enough secondary playmaker. If CJ's play so far this season is for real, that may be changing.
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And Terry has done nothing to try to alleviate this.
 
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