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NBA.com did this blog where they asked writers who they would build their team around, Lillard or Anthony Davis, and every one of them chose Davis.

Of course it's understandable that they'd chose Davis. But whose team is headed towards the playoffs with a roster that was supposed to suck, and whose team is sitting 12 games under .500 with a roster that was supposed to be one of the powers in the West?

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2016/...thony-davis-or-damian-lillard/#comment-782247
 
Can the Warriors guard Anthony Davis? I wouldn't want to give them a leg up in a potential playoff series.
 
All things being equal, you take Anthony.

But considering all things aren't equal, you go with Damian. Like Sinobas said, one team was supposed to compete for a top seed, and the other was supposed to compete for a top draft pick.

You have to take into account that the Pelicans aren't run very well, so that really plays a big factor in how crappy they're doing.
 
Lillard has quickly become my favorite player of all time. His leadership, work ethic, killer instinct, demeanor, loyalty, are so rare to find and he has all of it. I'd take him over steph curry and I can admit curry is out of this league talented, but he just isnt dame.
 
Nobody can tell me Anthony Davis wouldn't love to play in Portland with Dame and CJ....now that's a big 3 with a future
 
Nobody can tell me Anthony Davis wouldn't love to play in Portland with Dame and CJ....now that's a big 3 with a future


Too bad he's signed through 2020 and not the type of guy who would demand a trade even if they continue to go nowhere.
 
Davis is the type of player who comes around once in ten years. He is an absolute beast and his skill set is just insane. Davis may be brittle but he has the chance to be one of the top 5 players in the league. I'd take him over Lillard in a second but since that wont happen i'm not sad at all at having Lillard on this team and i'm fine with him being the franchise player for the next 10+ years.
 
Davis is too nice. If he had Garnett's mean streak he could be the top player in the league.
 
Lillard makes everyone around him better. Does Davis? Nah. Choice ain't even that hard. I will not be blinded by the media, or some stats.
 
Anthony Davis is the most overrated player in the NBA. He's talked up like an MVP candidate, once-in-a-generation player, yet his team is likely to get a top 4 pick during a season that he's basically healthy. Think about that guys...it's his fourth year and New Orleans is on pace to get a top four pick. I just read an ESPN Article title that praised his 50+ scoring night as a "glimmer of hope in a season ravaged by injuries." Why is he constantly getting the excuse of either having a bad team, injuries, or coaching change? What injuries? Oh you mean Tyreke Evans, the guy who gets scapegoated for not fitting in with team's chemistry. Yet somehow now that's missed half their games, he's the missing piece to their team? (On another note, they should've never let go of Monty)

If you want to talk about generational superstar on bad teams, LeBron James took terrible Cleveland teams deep in the playoffs each year. Kevin Durant carried the Thunder to the playoffs without Westbrook. Westbrook nearly carried the Thunder to the playoffs without Durant and would've gotten there if he himself didn't get injured so much that year. Kobe brought some terrible Laker teams to the playoffs. Somehow, this amazing two-way player in Anthony Davis has his team at 22-34 in a year when the West is not as consistently solid from top to bottom. Yet somehow he's the third best player on the planet? Sounds more like Carmelo Anthony.

I'm not saying he's not a good player. He's a great player and I'd love to have him in a Blazer uniform. But pegging him as an MVP candidate or generational player is just silly. Let's see him will the Pelicans to win consistently first.

On the other hand, Damian Lillard has lifted the Blazers to the 6th seed of the Western Conference after losing four starters. According to popular opinion, he's not even an All-Star while Anthony Davis is a generational superstar. Give me a break.
 
Anthony Davis is the most overrated player in the NBA. He's talked up like an MVP candidate, once-in-a-generation player, yet his team is likely to get a top 4 pick during a season that he's basically healthy. Think about that guys...it's his fourth year and New Orleans is on pace to get a top four pick. I just read an ESPN Article title that praised his 50+ scoring night as a "glimmer of hope in a season ravaged by injuries." Why is he constantly getting the excuse of either having a bad team, injuries, or coaching change? What injuries? Oh you mean Tyreke Evans, the guy who gets scapegoated for not fitting in with team's chemistry. Yet somehow now that's missed half their games, he's the missing piece to their team? (On another note, they should've never let go of Monty)

If you want to talk about generational superstar on bad teams, LeBron James took terrible Cleveland teams deep in the playoffs each year. Kevin Durant carried the Thunder to the playoffs without Westbrook. Westbrook nearly carried the Thunder to the playoffs without Durant and would've gotten there if he himself didn't get injured so much that year. Kobe brought some terrible Laker teams to the playoffs. Somehow, this amazing two-way player in Anthony Davis has his team at 22-34 in a year when the West is not as consistently solid from top to bottom. Yet somehow he's the third best player on the planet? Sounds more like Carmelo Anthony.

I'm not saying he's not a good player. He's a great player and I'd love to have him in a Blazer uniform. But pegging him as an MVP candidate or generational player is just silly. Let's see him will the Pelicans to win consistently first.

On the other hand, Damian Lillard has lifted the Blazers to the 6th seed of the Western Conference after losing four starters. According to popular opinion, he's not even an All-Star while Anthony Davis is a generational superstar. Give me a break.

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Writers always base a franchise player on talent alone.... never attitude or leadership. Davis is supremely talented but he couldn't lead a frat on a successfulful pub crawl on Fat Tuesday. Dame has got it where it counts. Isaiah Thomas was the same way..... just do anything to win.
 
How many times have the Blazers gone after the talented-but-injured big man who's the superstar talent when healthy over the high-scoring alpha dog that just happens to will teams to victory? We don't have much room to talk... :dunno:
 
Davis took that Pelicans to the playoffs last year - and it is not as if they had tons of talent on that team last year as well.

Injuries really have them over the barrel this year.

I do think that Davis is a bit overrated and Dame is still underrated by these writers - but you can not write off Davis based on the record of an injured team with a new coach. Remember, the Pelicans have Dante, Babbitt and Alonzo Gee on their roster - and these guys actually played some this year because of injuries.

Last time Babbitt was on Portland's roster with Dame, Aldridge, Batum and Wes the team finished with 33 wins.
 
Writers always base a franchise player on talent alone.... never attitude or leadership. Davis is supremely talented but he couldn't lead a frat on a successfulful pub crawl on Fat Tuesday. Dame has got it where it counts. Isaiah Thomas was the same way..... just do anything to win.

It's hard to blame writers when they're not used to great leaders in the NBA...

Great Leader (if he doesn't need to worry about some bitch-vets "feelings")
Dame

Good Leader
LBJ
Duncan (with Pops)

Not a Leader or Bad Leader
Westbrook
Durant
Davis
Boogie
Dirk
GS dudes
....


Dame is really a leader on the level of Bird, Magic, MJ, and those guys are rare.
 
Davis is my dream scenario for a year or two from now once he realizes how useless that Pelican team and management are, and declares that he wants out. Did he take a 3rd year player option in his contract?

I'll trade NO our whole team to pair Davis with Dame. Neil has a history of trading the farm for NO's superstar fwiw.
 
But....At what cost??? Would it make Olshey look like this>>th wierd stupid person.jpg
 
It's close, but if I could only have one.....I would lean towards the shooter with the best handles. That is why Dame is more valuable than Davis and Steph is more valuable than both.
 
It's hard to blame writers when they're not used to great leaders in the NBA...

Great Leader (if he doesn't need to worry about some bitch-vets "feelings")
Dame

Good Leader
LBJ
Duncan (with Pops)

Not a Leader or Bad Leader
Westbrook
Durant
Davis
Boogie
Dirk
GS dudes
....


Dame is really a leader on the level of Bird, Magic, MJ, and those guys are rare.

What's your reasoning for leaving Duncan and Dirk out of the Great Leader category? I agree with the overall message, but those two have me puzzled.
 
Anthony Davis is the most overrated player in the NBA. He's talked up like an MVP candidate, once-in-a-generation player, yet his team is likely to get a top 4 pick during a season that he's basically healthy.
Michael Jordan's Bulls went 110-136 in his first three seasons. It wasn't until they landed PIP and Horace via the draft that they started to win even with the GOAT on the team.

The question was... who would you rather build your team around? Anthony Davis is the same age (22) as Lillard (now 25) was his rookie year. Baring debilitating injury, he's probably got 10 years of at least All Star level play ahead of him. Dame is great, but a great big is more valuable because of supply and demand... especially 3 years younger.

STOMP
 
What's your reasoning for leaving Duncan and Dirk out of the Great Leader category? I agree with the overall message, but those two have me puzzled.

Neither Dirk nor Duncan have strong enough personalities for that category. Dallas seems to rotate their entire roster every other year, so that counts against him.
 
The Pelicans' problems start at the top - not in the locker-room. Look at the line-up they have put around AD and try to make sense of it.
 

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