Lowry for #6 and The statistic I'd like to see

[Wizard Mentor]

Anyone know of a graph of career PER vs pick no. for players who've played over say 300 games. If not, any way to generate such a graph?

Dave from BlazersEdge suggests that we trade pick #6 for Lowry which I think is a terrible idea. It would be interesting to see quantitatively how he compares.

btw, Lowry has a career PER of 15.9. That includes his 18.9 last year (a contract year).

 

[Natebishop3]

No fucking way.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I truly hate this idea.

Dave is quickly losing credibility.

 

[Natebishop3]

Lowry has shit for value right now. He basically demanded a trade didn't he? I think a mid-lotto pick would be an okay trade, but not the #6.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Lowry has shit for value right now. He basically demanded a trade didn't he? I think a mid-lotto pick would be an okay trade, but not the #6.

Part of Dave's logic is that he'd be relatively cheap.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Part of Dave's logic is that he'd be relatively cheap.

He's not cheap when he costs you the #6 pick.

Dave Edge is a fool for this one.

 

[Natebishop3]

Part of Dave's logic is that he'd be relatively cheap.

Yeah, the 6th ain't cheap lol

 

[Nikolokolus]

I watched Dave's video podcast and the thing I took away was that if you wanted to go the conservative route he would have to think long and hard about taking Lowry's proven production vs. what you are likely to get out of say the sixth pick in the draft ... which frankly isn't that hot: Jan Vesely, Ekpe Udoh, Johnny Flynn, Danilo Galinari, Yi Jianlian, Brandon Roy ... That's not a comprehensive list, nor a scientific proof of anything, but it reveals that while there are some definite keepers in that list, on the whole that's not a great hit rate; you're basically lucky if you get a starting quality rotation player.

Personally, I'm more of a go-big-or-go-home kind of guy, so I hope the Blazers keep the pick and swing for the fences, but I'm also realistic about their chances, it's likely to fall short ... but at least they'll be trying to hit home-runs and not little bloopers through the gap.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Once again, Lowry is getting no respect on this forum. He is a damn good PG. He has a solid PER of 19, shoots well from long distance, good assist/TO ratio

 

[illmatic99]

I'd give it some consideration if it were Lowry + 14 for 6.

Maybe.

 

[illmatic99]

Yeah, the 6th ain't cheap lol

Maybe he was referring to Lowry's contract which is VERY reasonable.

 

[STOMP]

Dave from BlazersEdge suggests that we trade pick #6 for Lowry which I think is a terrible idea. It would be interesting to see quantitatively how he compares.

btw, Lowry has a career PER of 15.9. That includes his 18.9 last year (a contract year).

wrong. It's Dragic that was in a contract year last season, Lowry has two more seasons left at 6M per year. His PER was 20+ before he went down to the bacterial infection.

So to recap... a 20+ PER PG who'll be under contract for 2 more years at Wes Matthews money who turned 26 a month ago would be a terrible swap for the #6 pick??? While there are other options at PG I'd be interested in exploring, the Blazers would be big time winners this offseason if they pulled off Dave's hypothetical swap

STOMP

 

[Blaze01]

He isn't an all star caliber player....

He is a good player...but I don't see POR trading for a good not great player....and both Olshey and Allen basically said that.....

and HOU isn't going to trade Lowry BEFORE they have Dragic resigned....

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Once again, Lowry is getting no respect on this forum. He is a damn good PG. He has a solid PER of 19, shoots well from long distance, good assist/TO ratio

Agree, but ya think he's worth the #6 pick? I dont.
Lowry for #11... or... Lowry + #14 for #6

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Maybe this deserves its own thread (I searched and didnt see one)... Dragic vs Lowry... who would you guys want if we had a legit shot at getting one of them?

 

[Mediocre Man]

All things being equal, I would want Dragic.... But all things are not equal....well in this case they are pretty damn equal

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=dragigo01&y1=2012&p2=lowryky01&y2=2012

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What if we could do Matthews + 6 for Lowry + 14? Is the value gap between Lowry & Matthews less or greater than that of 6 & 14?

 

[Blazinaway]

Maybe this deserves its own thread (I searched and didnt see one)... Dragic vs Lowry... who would you guys want if we had a legit shot at getting one of them?

Dragic for the simple fact he would only cost us capspace and we keep our picks, plus I like him a little more than Lowry

 

[Blazinaway]

What if we could do Matthews + 6 for Lowry + 14? Is the value gap between Lowry & Matthews less or greater than that of 6 & 14?

too much from our end IMO, I think #11 for Lowry is fair, maybe we throw in a 2nd rdr or Nolan or babbit

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I'm not sure why everyone is always trying to trade Matthews; I think he may have more value to the team than as a trade asset, unless you just want to trade him to maintain cap space. He is a solid player and good enough to be part of the rotation on a championship team. He epitomizes what we want to be; tough, selfless, hardworking.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm not sure why everyone is always trying to trade Matthews; I think he may have more value to the team than as a trade asset, unless you just want to trade him to maintain cap space. He is a solid player and good enough to be part of the rotation on a championship team. He epitomizes what we want to be; tough, selfless, hardworking.

I look at his PER and think the exact opposite. He had a 14 PER and the average NBA players PER is 15.00.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

By the way, i would be happy to trade the #6 for Lowry if we couldn't get Dragic without trading anything. A proven above average PG who keeps improving and is entering his prime years over a risky pick, no question for me.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I look at his PER and think the exact opposite. He had a 14 PER and the average NBA players PER is 15.00.

I guess i just use the eyeball test; he's a guy I would want as a teammate; i won't deny he has some weaknesses.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I guess i just use the eyeball test; he's a guy I would want as a teammate; i won't deny he has some weaknesses.

I agree with you. I just don't think he is a starting caliber SG in the NBA, and would be fine dealing him for someone who might have more upside

 

[Nikolokolus]

Agree, but ya think he's worth the #6 pick? I dont.
Lowry for #11... or... Lowry + #14 for #6

I think it's possible you're getting a little bit sidetracked by the numeric value of the pick (6th overall in the draft is high!) and aren't looking at it in terms of the actual player it represents.

Ask yourself these two questions: 1. Is Drummond, Sullinger, PJIII, Lilliard, Barnes, etc. likely to be a better pro than Lowry is right now and probably will be for at least the next 4 years or so? 2. If the goal is to surround LMA with players, how much time does he have left as a prime NBA power-forward 4 years, 5, 6? So given a two or three year development window for a 6h pick, is it maximizing LMA's best years to add this mythical sixth pick instead of trading it for a really, really good point like Kyle Lowry? I don't know if there is a definitive answer, but I would lean toward thinking that Lowry is likely to be able to contribute more quickly to this team returning to competitiveness with LMA as the centerpiece (that's the key). If LMA is on the block and tradable, then I would be more inclined to keep the pick because you can take a more long-run POV and can afford the 2 to 3 years development if you go young and you're not worried about surrounding LaMarcus with help.

The whole linchpin for keeping or trading the pick is Aldridge and what Olshey wants to do with him.

 

[Blazinaway]

I agree with you. I just don't think he is a starting caliber SG in the NBA, and would be fine dealing him for someone who might have more upside

the best case scenario is that Ewill or Nic becomes the starting SG and/or we draft a replacemnt wing who could become an SF or SG starter down the road and Wes becomes the backup or is traded down the road

 

[The_Lillard_King]

What I can't help asking myself is that if Lowry is such a good PG (starting caliber NBA PG) why is Houston so determined to resign Drajic this summer? How good can Lowry really be when the franchise he plays for is ready to commit big dollars to Drajic and create a situation where Lowry publically demands a trade?

Doesn't seem like Houston think a lot of Lowry . . . or do I have this wrong?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I'm not sure why everyone is always trying to trade Matthews; I think he may have more value to the team than as a trade asset, unless you just want to trade him to maintain cap space. He is a solid player and good enough to be part of the rotation on a championship team. He epitomizes what we want to be; tough, selfless, hardworking.

I'm with ya. I'm holding out hope that Matthews will soon be a James Harden type player coming off the bench. I know, very wishfull thinking, but possible.
I want E.Williams to develop into our starting SG.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm with ya. I'm holding out hope that Matthews will soon be a James Harden type player coming off the bench. I know, very wishfull thinking, but possible.
I want E.Williams to develop into our starting SG.

They're not even close to being the same caliber of player. Harden is basically like a younger version of Ginobli, Matthews is like the same age version of ... well, just about any generic catch and shoot shooting guard in the NBA.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yeah I like Matthews but he just a nice bench player. He just does not have the handles to be anything close to an allstar. And Hardin is.

Regarding Lowry, his attitude does bother me, but I think his skills are worth consideration of the 6th pick. Not saying i would do it because like most of you it is June and I am caught up with the hype of the soon to be rookies. But there may not be much difference between 6 and 11. A back court of Lowry and one of those many rookie SG's would not be horrible.

I still wouldn't do it though.