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Fez Hammersticks

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This guy needs a more prominent role on this team. He's a go-to-guy type of scorer already.

Brandon Roy should be getting the most shots, but Rudy and LaMarcus should be getting about the same amount.

Rudy can be a 20 ppg scorer this season if given the playing time and touches.

I like Travis a lot, but this is a business and I think we have to thin out this roster, Travis included, to make room for Rudy. Our 2nd or 3rd best player on the roster.
 
Why can't we have Travis and Rudy together? They co-existed brilliantly tonight. And Rudy already has a prominent role. Don't see why anything has to change. He is huge off the bench and always plays down the stretch. Calm down. Don't deal Travis. Start Martell. Bring Batum in at SF and Travis in at PF with Rudy at SG. As Batum showed tonight, he's not quite ready for prime time and so Outlaw will still get some SF minutes as well.

Don't trade Outlaw. Why would you want to deal him? Makes no sense. Rudy and he don't even play the same position.
 
Fez said:
This guy needs a more prominent role on this team. He's a go-to-guy type of scorer already.

Brandon Roy should be getting the most shots, but Rudy and LaMarcus should be getting about the same amount.

Rudy can be a 20 ppg scorer this season if given the playing time and touches.

I like Travis a lot, but this is a business and I think we have to thin out this roster, Travis included, to make room for Rudy. Our 2nd or 3rd best player on the roster.
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Rudy is being used perfectly IMO. Not sure he deserves an increase in shot attempts until he can create his own shot (And make it) Right now he is money from the outside and alley oops, but struggling with taking his man off the dribble. Not worried about him, but he is certainly no BROY.
 
I have to agree with the King . . . I don't know why so many people are so eager to run Travis out of town. Yeah, he can be a bit of a chucker but when the going's bad for this team, it doesn't seem like anyone outside of Roy is willing to put the ball up. And that's where Travis is good because dude has no fear - he'll just keep shooting, which can be good and bad. But if he didn't who would've made all of those clutch game winning shots last year? Roy can't do it every single game.
 
I personally think Rudy is the best basketball player on the team. Although Roy is very close. Rudy is a better shooter, better passer, weaker on the ball defender, superior off-the-ball defender, more explosive. Roy is a better ball-handler though. Give Rudy a year and he'll be just as good in most fans' eyes.
 
I might get flamed, but Rudy is already shooting just enough. He's not all that great at creating his own shot. In fact, I can't remember him hitting one shot tonight after having to dribble more than a couple of times.

Roy, Aldridge, and to a lesser extent Outlaw all can get what shot they want with the ball in their hands. Rudy relies on moving without the ball. He flourishes in our set offenses.

He shoots plenty.
 
Travis is a special talent. He can get his shot on just about anyone. And he is cheap and he is ok coming off the bench. He is even putting more effort into rebounding now and his handle this year is much better than it was before

The dude is a keeper.

There is a contingent of Blazers fans that have a man-crush on a role-player and they go on rants to drop better players off the roster because they take minutes from their favorite man-crushie. Last year JJ got the brunt of complaints from all the Sergio fans and this year it is Travis from the Webster fans.

The reality of the matter is that even without JJ around Sergio still is the 3rd PG on the depth chart - and with Batum's progress - moving Travis will not change his minutes allocation...

Travis is great - we should celebrate him, not whine about him none-stop.

As for Rudy. He will get more shots as the time goes on - but it will not be at the expense of Travis - it will be at the expense of Blake and probably Sergio - since he will eat into their minutes.
 
C_note said:
I personally think Rudy is the best basketball player on the team. Although Roy is very close. Rudy is a better shooter, better passer, weaker on the ball defender, superior off-the-ball defender, more explosive. Roy is a better ball-handler though. Give Rudy a year and he'll be just as good in most fans' eyes.
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Rudy's already my favorite Blazer . . . but that doesn't mean we have to get rid of Travis just because Rudy's that good.
 
It was Travis' 4th quarter three that broke us out of our slump tonight. Travis is a very important part of our team.
 
I disagree. I like Travis, but he takes shots away from Rudy. Right now, Rudy brings a lot more to the table than Travis and opens a lot of opportunities for other players with his passing ability and point guard-like court vision.

When Travis gets the ball, he's going to shoot 1st, shoot 2nd, pass 3rd. I like Travis a lot, but Rudy is just a better player and is somewhat being held back with Travis being a bit of a black hole in that second unit.
 
KingSpeed said:
It was Travis' 4th quarter three that broke us out of our slump tonight. Travis is a very important part of our team.
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Fo sheezy :) great point. IIRC, the in-game graphic at the beginning of the quarter said that we hadn't gotten a FG in the last 7:03 minutes of the 3rd. And TO comes out at the beginning of the 4th and, in typical fearless fashion, nails a big 3!
 
Travis converts at a higher rate than Rudy (impressive, since Rudy is fantastic). So, the solution is to take shots away by trading Travis (who creates for himself better than Rudy) and allow the defense to concentrate on Rudy alone?

Some of you guys really need to pay attention to the numbers and what is happening - I love Rudy's game as much as anyone else - but this suggestion makes no sense once you start looking at the numbers...
 
Fez said:
I disagree. I like Travis, but he takes shots away from Rudy. Right now, Rudy brings a lot more to the table than Travis and opens a lot of opportunities for other players with his passing ability and point guard-like court vision.

When Travis gets the ball, he's going to shoot 1st, shoot 2nd, pass 3rd. I like Travis a lot, but Rudy is just a better player and is somewhat being held back with Travis being a bit of a black hole in that second unit.
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That's ridiculous. Did you watch the game? He passed WAY more than he shot. Almost to a fault. Secondly, he scored 20 tonight and Rudy scored 16. Would you prefer to lose Outlaw but get 36 out of Rudy, if he can do that? That makes sense.....pause.... Not. We're much better off with two of them being threats than just one.
 
Travis is also, as you must know, one of the top 5 three point shooters in the league. Why would you want him off the team? We're lucky to have him.
 
Fez said:
I disagree. I like Travis, but he takes shots away from Rudy. Right now, Rudy brings a lot more to the table than Travis and opens a lot of opportunities for other players with his passing ability and point guard-like court vision.

When Travis gets the ball, he's going to shoot 1st, shoot 2nd, pass 3rd. I like Travis a lot, but Rudy is just a better player and is somewhat being held back with Travis being a bit of a black hole in that second unit.
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Not sure you watched the game. He played 41 minutes and took 12 shots. he is blending in very nicely with BOTH the 1st and 2nd team. He took maybe 1 bad shot tonight.
 
andalusian said:
Travis converts at a higher rate than Rudy (impressive, since Rudy is fantastic). So, the solution is to take shots away by trading Travis (who creates for himself better than Rudy) and allow the defense to concentrate on Rudy alone?

Some of you guys really need to pay attention to the numbers and what is happening - I love Rudy's game as much as anyone else - but this suggestion makes no sense once you start looking at the numbers...
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Travis has a significantly lower TS%, EFG%, and PPS ratio... so no he in fact does not convert his shots into points at a higher rate. He's having an astounding, if unsustainable, hot streak from behind the line but his 19/52- .365 on shot attempts inside the arc would be the worst in the rotation if not for Sergio.
 
Jayps15 said:
Travis has a significantly lower TS%, EFG%, and PPS ratio... so no he in fact does not convert his shots into points at a higher rate. He's having an astounding, if unsustainable, hot streak from behind the line but his 19/52- .365 on shot attempts inside the arc would be the worst in the rotation if not for Sergio.
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Blah blah blah. Travis rules!!! WOOHOO!!!
 
How about we stop comparing two of our own players that seem to play well together on the court and just enjoy their success.
 
I haven't been such a huge fan of Travis Outlaw in the past couple of years but he's starting to look like a guy who is trying to contribute when he isn't scoring, and I haven't always been able to say this about him. I think he's a very important piece right now and he's really improving on doing other things that are positive on the basketball court besides shooting or scoring. My only gripe about Travis Outlaw is his inability to be a solid starter.
 
Rudy is a SG.

Roy is a SG.

Pretty clear Rudy needs to take some of Roy's minutes.

Anything else hurts us rather than helps us.
 
please don't pretend like rudy is good enough to be a goto scorer in the nba. that's ridiculous.

the role rudy is playing right now is perfect for his abilities and the team. no reason to change it.
 
MARIS61 said:
Rudy is a SG.

Roy is a SG.

Pretty clear Rudy needs to take some of Roy's minutes.

Anything else hurts us rather than helps us.
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roy is playing 36.8 minutes per game(before tonights game). rudy is playing 27.8 minutes per game. there are only 48 minutes in a basketball game.

pretty clear that rudy and roy can play more than just shooting guard.
 
rocketeer said:
please don't pretend like rudy is good enough to be a goto scorer in the nba. that's ridiculous.

the role rudy is playing right now is perfect for his abilities and the team. no reason to change it.
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I can think of 3 right off the top of my head. :drumroll:
 
BengalDuck said:
I might get flamed, but Rudy is already shooting just enough. He's not all that great at creating his own shot. In fact, I can't remember him hitting one shot tonight after having to dribble more than a couple of times.

Roy, Aldridge, and to a lesser extent Outlaw all can get what shot they want with the ball in their hands. Rudy relies on moving without the ball. He flourishes in our set offenses.

He shoots plenty.
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Rudy is very good at creating his own shot. I've seen him numerous times this year put the ball on the ground and create space from his defender for a step back 3. Do you remember his crossover step back 3 in the Olympics?
 
Rudy is not as good a creator as Travis -- Rudy cannot get his shot anytime he wants to. Travis, with that elevation of his, can.

I love Rudy - and Roy - and Trout. I wish Roy would distribute to Rudy more (Roy seems to avoid passing to Rudy, which is weird). But otherwise they have proven the ability to play very well together.

The real wrench in this works is Webster. I don't think he is as good as any of the rest of them - at anything (though he plays within the offense better than Trout).

I think this rotation is a thing of beauty. When Oden is back drawing double teams, it means Trout/Roy/Rudy/LMA should almost *always* get a good, open jumper at the basket. That is a formula for winning a lot of basketball games.

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please don't pretend like rudy is good enough to be a goto scorer in the nba. that's ridiculous.

the role rudy is playing right now is perfect for his abilities and the team. no reason to change it.
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Yeah. Rudy is gettin pretty good minutes and shot attempts right now. I think it is perfect with how he is being used. I still think LMA is our 2nd best player.
 
1. I don't think we have to make Rudy simply into a scorer to be using him well. He's also an excellent passer.
2. With that in mind, why should it be Outlaw that gets traded? I know today is an odd day to say it (given his 20 points last night) but why not move Blake? That would make BOTH Spaniards more happy.

Travis does drive me crazy, but he is essentially unguardable, and one of the announcers last night said he hit the 4th largest number of mid-range jumpers of anyone in the league last year, which makes him a pretty unusual (and therefore irreplaceable) part of our offense.

Oh, and Rudy vs. Roy: Rudy can't penetrate anything like Roy. But Roy does hold onto the ball a lot more - Rudy's much more likely to move it. And right now Rudy's threes are better. I wondered if I should worry that so many of his shots are threes, but I think it's only a worry if he gets them just by camping in the corner and waiting (Martell can slip into this habit). But Rudy's always moving and always a threat to do different things. If he ends up behind the three, it's either in transition or because he's just lost his defender on a pick after running him ragged.
 
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