Marbury to SG

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Herb Williams plans to shift Stephon Marbury, the self-proclaimed best point guard in the league, to more of a shooting guard role in a desperate attempt to establish more backcourt chemistry between him and Jamal Crawford, according to sources.</div>
New York Post
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I was reading this in the post earlier today. I thought that is a nice experiment. Marbury really is a shoot first PG. Right now our first obligation is a distributor. We need someone who can share the ball. I see this move kind of like LeBron. James. Remember when he was running the PG? McInnis was brought in to exploit his true scoring abilities. James as the PG has to try and balance his scoring as well as his distributing.

Now remember back in the playoffs? Hardaway was the PG, and Marbury the SG. That worked out very well. The conversion was made when we had those two games in which we almost won. Anyway, that took a whole bunch of pressure against Marbury as he was able to score willingly and he used his passing abilities to still create as well. Marbury has a little height disadvantage however, he is quicker and is just as strong as most SG's. Also it would give Hardaway an advantage over just about any PG with his 6'7 size. I see this being a great move! Is it just me or does it seem Wilkens was a better coach last year? Anyway, Crawford is also a candidate for the PG. He really is a natural PG too, he was moved at the 2 because of Marbury. I see an experienced and proven capable PG in Penny Hardaway being a better option at the 1. In the playoffs he averaged 16.5ppg and 6.8apg. I think that is very versatile. I think Crawford is a very good option for us coming off the bench. We get a nice boost of energy and quick offense and he can also run the point if he wants to.

I also think a nice shake up to this starting lineup will actually do us some good. Maybe that's what it needs. Anything is wortha try. The way we have been playing as of late, a shake up as been evident for us. I also think Hardaway deserves to start. The way we have been treating him, and also he has played effectively for us, I think shows he should start. Once people started hopping on the Crawford bandwagon people for got about the role players like Penny Hardaway. He has been very helpful to us. That's why I don't know why clowns that don't watch the Knicks comment negatively on him. His numbers have been very solid since returning. Ariza has been very good for us starting so I wouldn't take him out the lineup quite yet. I think maybe if Crawford lost his starting job to Hardway, it might allow him to learn more and he might also adjust his highly undisciplined game.

Either way we ought to give it a shot. I mean what do we have to lose? We are a franchise worst in January and can it get any worse than this? Not really, we should try it out, it sounds like a very nice idea. Marbury might also like the idea of just scoring instead of worrying about everyone else all the time being the PG. So this works out because Marbury exploits his scoring to the fullest which is what we have been needing as of late, Hardaway more of a team oriented player gets a start and a chance to help us and actually be a part of the team. Crawford learns from veterans and hopefully alters his game to a more disciplined and controlled style of play. Again, it definitely deserves testing.

 

[Platehpus]

Wow, this shows me that Herb Williams is doing a good, good job. Stephon would make a great SG, and I think it would have the same effect on him as AI had moving to the PG (AI is definitely better at the point than he is at the 2)

 

[Mr. J]

^Herb next Larry Brown?

 

[Nasty]

Stephon Marbury is ineffective without the ball being in his hands for at least 85% of the time. Therefore, this experiment will be a failure.

 

[Beat]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">New York Post
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I was reading this in the post earlier today. I thought that is a nice experiment. Marbury really is a shoot first PG. Right now our first obligation is a distributor. We need someone who can share the ball. I see this move kind of like LeBron. James. Remember when he was running the PG? McInnis was brought in to exploit his true scoring abilities. James as the PG has to try and balance his scoring as well as his distributing.

Now remember back in the playoffs? Hardaway was the PG, and Marbury the SG. That worked out very well. The conversion was made when we had those two games in which we almost won. Anyway, that took a whole bunch of pressure against Marbury as he was able to score willingly and he used his passing abilities to still create as well. Marbury has a little height disadvantage however, he is quicker and is just as strong as most SG's. Also it would give Hardaway an advantage over just about any PG with his 6'7 size. I see this being a great move! Is it just me or does it seem Wilkens was a better coach last year? Anyway, Crawford is also a candidate for the PG. He really is a natural PG too, he was moved at the 2 because of Marbury. I see an experienced and proven capable PG in Penny Hardaway being a better option at the 1. In the playoffs he averaged 16.5ppg and 6.8apg. I think that is very versatile. I think Crawford is a very good option for us coming off the bench. We get a nice boost of energy and quick offense and he can also run the point if he wants to.

I also think a nice shake up to this starting lineup will actually do us some good. Maybe that's what it needs. Anything is wortha try. The way we have been playing as of late, a shake up as been evident for us. I also think Hardaway deserves to start. The way we have been treating him, and also he has played effectively for us, I think shows he should start. Once people started hopping on the Crawford bandwagon people for got about the role players like Penny Hardaway. He has been very helpful to us. That's why I don't know why clowns that don't watch the Knicks comment negatively on him. His numbers have been very solid since returning. Ariza has been very good for us starting so I wouldn't take him out the lineup quite yet. I think maybe if Crawford lost his starting job to Hardway, it might allow him to learn more and he might also adjust his highly undisciplined game.

Either way we ought to give it a shot. I mean what do we have to lose? We are a franchise worst in January and can it get any worse than this? Not really, we should try it out, it sounds like a very nice idea. Marbury might also like the idea of just scoring instead of worrying about everyone else all the time being the PG. So this works out because Marbury exploits his scoring to the fullest which is what we have been needing as of late, Hardaway more of a team oriented player gets a start and a chance to help us and actually be a part of the team. Crawford learns from veterans and hopefully alters his game to a more disciplined and controlled style of play. Again, it definitely deserves testing.</div>

I was reading this earlier when i was going home, but i didnt get far because some kids tried to rob me. But i think thats a good idea <font size="4"><font color="Red"><font face="Impact"><u>IF</u></font></font></font> we get a good point guard. Dont give me that crawford ..... Well there is Penny ........

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">I was reading this earlier when i was going home, but i didnt get far because some kids tried to rob me. But i think thats a good idea <font size="4"><font color="Red"><font face="Impact"><u>IF</u></font></font></font> we get a good point guard. Dont give me that crawford ..... Well there is Penny ........</div>
At least I'm not the only one realizing Crawford.

Btw, I'm sorry to hear that. That happens to me once and a while but, as soon as they say run your ----, I turn around and they know better.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Stephon Marbury is ineffective without the ball being in his hands for at least 85% of the time. Therefore, this experiment will be a failure.</div>
Have you seen Marbury play SG on a consistent basis? How do you know he will be ineffective? You have never seen this experiment before with these exact players in this exact situation? No you have not so you don't know whether it will work or not!

 

[02civic]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Have you seen Marbury play SG on a consistent basis? How do you know he will be ineffective? You have never seen this experiment before with these exact players in this exact situation? No you have not so you don't know whether it will work or not!

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i think its worth a try. I dont think it'll be a longterm project. Probably just something that they do for 15 minutes a game for a little while. I do like Penny, and if he can stay healthy he can contribute. Marbury has shown that he needs the ball to be successful, but maybe he can learn something from this, or at least make him think about passing more.

 

[Waneko]

I'm guessing Herb plans to put the ball in Crawford's hands, but then you have the same problem with Crawford. The Knicks can't play Penny for long stretches at point guard, so I also think it won't work.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">i think its worth a try. I dont think it'll be a longterm project. Probably just something that they do for 15 minutes a game for a little while. I do like Penny, and if he can stay healthy he can contribute. Marbury has shown that he needs the ball to be successful, but maybe he can learn something from this, or at least make him think about passing more.</div>
We will have to wait and see. I think it can be a very good idea that can work long term. Marbury is a shoot first type of guy and a shooting guard will work well with him. I see him having a similar presence to when Cassell got switched to the SG because of Payton.

 

[Smoke]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Have you seen Marbury play SG on a consistent basis? How do you know he will be ineffective? You have never seen this experiment before with these exact players in this exact situation? No you have not so you don't know whether it will work or not!

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owned lol.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">New York Post
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I was reading this in the post earlier today. I thought that is a nice experiment. Marbury really is a shoot first PG. Right now our first obligation is a distributor. We need someone who can share the ball. I see this move kind of like LeBron. James. Remember when he was running the PG? McInnis was brought in to exploit his true scoring abilities. James as the PG has to try and balance his scoring as well as his distributing.

Now remember back in the playoffs? Hardaway was the PG, and Marbury the SG. That worked out very well. The conversion was made when we had those two games in which we almost won. Anyway, that took a whole bunch of pressure against Marbury as he was able to score willingly and he used his passing abilities to still create as well. Marbury has a little height disadvantage however, he is quicker and is just as strong as most SG's. Also it would give Hardaway an advantage over just about any PG with his 6'7 size. I see this being a great move! Is it just me or does it seem Wilkens was a better coach last year? Anyway, Crawford is also a candidate for the PG. He really is a natural PG too, he was moved at the 2 because of Marbury. I see an experienced and proven capable PG in Penny Hardaway being a better option at the 1. In the playoffs he averaged 16.5ppg and 6.8apg. I think that is very versatile. I think Crawford is a very good option for us coming off the bench. We get a nice boost of energy and quick offense and he can also run the point if he wants to.

I also think a nice shake up to this starting lineup will actually do us some good. Maybe that's what it needs. Anything is wortha try. The way we have been playing as of late, a shake up as been evident for us. I also think Hardaway deserves to start. The way we have been treating him, and also he has played effectively for us, I think shows he should start. Once people started hopping on the Crawford bandwagon people for got about the role players like Penny Hardaway. He has been very helpful to us. That's why I don't know why clowns that don't watch the Knicks comment negatively on him. His numbers have been very solid since returning. Ariza has been very good for us starting so I wouldn't take him out the lineup quite yet. I think maybe if Crawford lost his starting job to Hardway, it might allow him to learn more and he might also adjust his highly undisciplined game.

Either way we ought to give it a shot. I mean what do we have to lose? We are a franchise worst in January and can it get any worse than this? Not really, we should try it out, it sounds like a very nice idea. Marbury might also like the idea of just scoring instead of worrying about everyone else all the time being the PG. So this works out because Marbury exploits his scoring to the fullest which is what we have been needing as of late, Hardaway more of a team oriented player gets a start and a chance to help us and actually be a part of the team. Crawford learns from veterans and hopefully alters his game to a more disciplined and controlled style of play. Again, it definitely deserves testing.</div>

Come on man, just because the paper says Crawford is a natural point guard doesnt mean he's a natural point guard. Anybody with two good eyes(or even one eye) and the MSG network can tell Crawford is a shooting guard. There wont be any problems defensively for either team since we'll have the same players on the floor just playing different roles. The main problem with Crawford running the point is that he doesnt have the mindset. He's not willing to give up the ball. He has enough handle but without that "pass the ball" mindset he'll make a bad point guard. However at this point I'm willing to try anything.

Everyone knows Crawford isnt going to come off the bench. A better idea than Crawford running the point, I think would be to start Penny at the 3 spot and let him play point forward. That way Marbury and Crawford will be able to look to score and Penny should be able to get his own shots as a result.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Come on man, just because the paper says Crawford is a natural point guard doesnt mean he's a natural point guard. Anybody with two good eyes(or even one eye) and the MSG network can tell Crawford is a shooting guard. There wont be any problems defensively for either team since we'll have the same players on the floor just playing different roles. The main problem with Crawford running the point is that he doesnt have the mindset. He's not willing to give up the ball. He has enough handle but without that "pass the ball" mindset he'll make a bad point guard. However at this point I'm willing to try anything.

Everyone knows Crawford isnt going to come off the bench. A better idea than Crawford running the point, I think would be to start Penny at the 3 spot and let him play point forward. That way Marbury and Crawford will be able to look to score and Penny should be able to get his own shots as a result.</div>
He is a natural point guard. He is just able to play the 2 also. Even in Chicago he was playing the 1 untill Hinrich came and he played the 2 and averaged 5apg. His apg show it too. I think sometimes puts more stress on his 2 guard role than necessary. He thinks he needs to score all the time.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">He is a natural point guard. He is just able to play the 2 also. Even in Chicago he was playing the 1 untill Hinrich came and he played the 2 and averaged 5apg. His apg show it too. I think sometimes puts more stress on his 2 guard role than necessary. He thinks he needs to score all the time.</div>

He is not a point guard. He is a shooting guard able to play the one(badly). A point guard is actually willing to pass the ball. Even in Chicago when he was running the point he shot the ball too much because he thinks like a shooting guard. You proved my point. Hinrich came along and took over the point and he's not even a true point guard either, he's playing at the 2 spot now, which implies that Crawford is a bad point guard. You dont see any tendencies of a point guard in Crawford. There have been a couple of occasions when he was running the point and he dribbled the ball up the court, across the timeline and just fired a three out of the blue. He's a natural shooting guard. Hardaway should play point forward for us. We get to have our current top scorers looking to score. The offense should run more smoothly if Penny is at point forward.

 

[JWohl]

sounds good

Hey you gotta give Herb credit hes trying. The team is struggling so he is trying to shake things up to get better results. Its like a baseball manager switching around the lineup to get an unproductive team to produce. Hey we've lost 14 of 16 its worth a shot

 

[Penny]

Yeah I think Penny Hardaway would be great as a Point Forward, we saw what Scottie Pippen done for the Portland Trailblazers when he played that position. This way Stephon Mabury and Jamal Crawford can feed off Penny Hardaway.
I've always stated that Penny Hardaway is the New York Knicks best play maker, and it worked in the NBA Playoffs last year, well sort of ............. but at this point things need to be shifted!

 

[jbbHardaway]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Penny:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah I think Penny Hardaway would be great as a Point Forward, we saw what Scottie Pippen done for the Portland Trailblazers when he played that position. This way Stephon Mabury and Jamal Crawford can feed off Penny Hardaway.
I've always stated that Penny Hardaway is the New York Knicks best play maker, and it worked in the NBA Playoffs last year, well sort of ............. but at this point things need to be shifted!</div>

i agree with you,but lots of people does not remember Hardaway did on last year,so i hope Herb Williams can put penny to starter-linup point guard

p.s i am come from Hong Kong,so my english is not good,sorry

 

[jbbCourtVision]

If Herb decides to use Marbury at the 2 he damn well better be sure not to use Crawford at the 1. Crawford is the anti-point guard. This guy is not about getting his team involved, he is more concerned about shooting the ball until his arm falls off. He doesn't have a high enough basketball IQ to play at that position no matter what anyone says.

If I were a Knick I would not be adverse to putting Penny in as a point foward. He did a great job of it in Orlando but then again he had Shaq. I still say to leave Marbury at the 1. Herb is just doing this to get some sort of response from his team. But I always thought that the Knicks defense needed to be worked on. Their offense is fine, do something about their damn defence!!!

 

[Mr. J]

^He is a natural PG. At 190 playing the 2, he tries to find a way to score. His chucks are sometimes the only things he can do. He is about getting his team involved. His court vision is great and the only reason why he is not playing the 1 is because of Marbury. Crawford is a natural PG.

He also did a pretty good job for us in the playoffs. He gave us about 6 assists per game in his 2 PG starts. This is an excellent move. The Knicks at times have been struggling to put points on the board. Marbury needs to focus on the team and his scoring at the same time. Doing this he still manages to put up 20 points. That is an effective scorer. Switching him over to the 2 will exploit his scoring abilities to the fullest. It wont be as much of a problem as some of you think.

Alright with Marbury at the 1 we have managed to compile a pretty bad record. Don't you think we should change something? Isn't it worth a shot? We have lost 13 of 15, why not? Now, what can we do about their defense? Tear a part the whole team this season and get some defensive oriented players? No, we can't do that. We are stuck like this for a while. With our defense being this poor, our offense will have to carry us through.

 

[jbbCourtVision]

^Ummmm have you seen him play on the Bulls when he was a full time point guard? Natural is not the thing that comes to my mind often when I think of Crawford as a point guard. I think the only reason he is not playing point guard is because he really SUCKS at that position. I mean if Isiah saw him as a point guard he wouldn't have signed him no? He already had one in Marbury. I mean for a guy that has averaged only 5 assists a game once in his career, I do not call him a natural point guard. I mean if you can't tell from his game, the stats should tell the whole story:

Assists per game
00-01- 2.3 apg (1.39 turnovers a game)
01-02- 2.4 apg (1.39 turnovers a game)
02-03- 4.2 apg (1.68 turnovers a game)
03-04- 5.1 apg (2.41 turnovers a game)

I won't add this years totals because he is a shooting guard. But really those assist and turnover numbers do not tell me that he is a natural point guard. They actually tell me that he was a horrible point guard. I just do not see how he is all about getting the team involved.

I don't see how this is an excellent move for the Knicks. Marbury needs to have the ball in his hands to score and make plays. He is not the type of person to curl off screens and cut to the open basket. This just trades one player who needs the ball in his hands for another. And if that is the case I would rather have Marbury run the point because he can just get his teammates involved a lot more than Crawford can.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">^Ummmm have you seen him play on the Bulls when he was a full time point guard? Natural is not the thing that comes to my mind often when I think of Crawford as a point guard. I think the only reason he is not playing point guard is because he really SUCKS at that position. I mean if Isiah saw him as a point guard he wouldn't have signed him no? He already had one in Marbury. I mean for a guy that has averaged only 5 assists a game once in his career, I do not call him a natural point guard. I mean if you can't tell from his game, the stats should tell the whole story:

Assists per game
00-01- 2.3 apg (1.39 turnovers a game)
01-02- 2.4 apg (1.39 turnovers a game)
02-03- 4.2 apg (1.68 turnovers a game)
03-04- 5.1 apg (2.41 turnovers a game)

I won't add this years totals because he is a shooting guard. But really those assist and turnover numbers do not tell me that he is a natural point guard. They actually tell me that he was a horrible point guard. I just do not see how he is all about getting the team involved.

I don't see how this is an excellent move for the Knicks. Marbury needs to have the ball in his hands to score and make plays. He is not the type of person to curl off screens and cut to the open basket. This just trades one player who needs the ball in his hands for another. And if that is the case I would rather have Marbury run the point because he can just get his teammates involved a lot more than Crawford can.</div>
Ummmm, did you know he only played there for about a season? His first season he got 17.2 minutes a game. Not really too much time to really prove himself. His second sesaon he only played 23 games. Hardly enough time no? The next season in only 4 more minutes of play, he averaged 2 more assists and .3 more turnovers. I think that is a key stat. When Kirk Hinirch came the next year he was moved over to the shooting guard position where he was used for more of a scoring role instead of a distributor. Your last stat of 5.1apg should not be used because he played shooting guard. Once he moved over to the 2, his turnovers increased, and his assists only went up by 1 because he didn't have the chance to create for others as much. Hinirch at his size is not really capable of really playing the 2 so he was not a great option for that position. Isiah brought in Crawford because we needed scoring at the 2 while Houston was out. He did not know Houston was going to be out for this long. He wanted a 3 guard rotation similar to what he had in Detroit, and how Wilkens had it in Seattle.

I am convinced that Marbury can curl off plays and play the 2 guard. Why not? The Knicks have been struggling offensively at times and Marbury can't always exploit his scoring to the fullest because he needs to distribute the ball to the offensive that has not been distributing. Marbury can become a full time scorer and wont have to worry about getting the team together because it will be taken care of by Hardaway, or Crawford or whoever. I can not see what makes you think he wont be effective when he rarely plays shooting guard. Marbury is much more controlled than Crawford and he can really isolate with the best in the league. Didn?t they say the same thing about Allen Iverson switching to the 2? We see how that turned out. Even if it doesn?t work, it is worth a try. We are at a desperate need of a shakeup and maybe a lineup change can do that. Who knows, it is definitely worth a try.