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Do we want Boozer? No.

He tricked Cleveland into releasing him from his contract, then signed with Utah for his so-called big payday. Now he wants another big payday? Screw him. We don't need his grubby hands reaching for more money in Portland. Let somebody else have him.
 
Very few Knowlegable fans in SLC (Yes there is a handfull) care if Boozer stays or goes. They like Milsap better. What does that tell you? He is a horrible defender. No we do not want him for the money he thinks he is worth. Very Soft.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Very few Knowlegable fans in SLC (Yes there is a handfull) care if Boozer stays or goes. They like Milsap better. What does that tell you? He is a horrible defender. No we do not want him for the money he thinks he is worth. Very Soft.
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I'd argue that it is difficult for Boozer to be a stand-out defender with Mehmet Okur "protecting" the rim, and his defensive deficiencies would be diminished with the GregZilla combo behind him.
 
Is the thread title some kind of wordplay on the Simpsons?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Very few Knowlegable fans in SLC (Yes there is a handfull) care if Boozer stays or goes. They like Milsap better. What does that tell you? He is a horrible defender. No we do not want him for the money he thinks he is worth. Very Soft.
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Huh, I wonder.

Milsap PER: 19.9 a career high, and big jump from his previous high. Can he keep it up?
Boozer PER: 24.9 a career high, but not by much from 06-07, so we know when healthy he has kept up that pace before.

Boozer's defensive rating is the same as Milsaps. Always has been fairly close.

This season Milsap is shooting at a better percentage and taking more shots (so his PER rating is up), but that is partly countered by his steals and blocks (as a percentage of possessions) dropping by a fair bit. Looks pretty clear that Milsap isn't getting after it like he did the first 2 seasons. Takes a while for folks to notice.

As for Boozer, his steals are the same, and he never was a shotblocker to begin with.

Milsap is not a proven primary scorer like Boozer is. Like Boozer or not, you cannot question his ability to be a big-time scorer in the league. Milsap is an unknown, no matter what the fans say. Undersized players always need to prove their ability in this league AFTER they get heavily scouted and prepped for by the opposition. Until then, nobody knows.

Rebounding: Who said Milsap was better? Completely unfounded.

Milsap: TRB% 17.1. All important Defensive Rebounding Rate, 20.7.

Boozer: TRB% 20.6. All important Defesive Reboundign Rate, 28.0.

Boozer is a much better Defensive Rebounder than Milsap, and always has been. Defensive rebounding is very important. Just like good teams have to have a top flight scorer, they have to have a top flight defensive rebounder.

Milsap: Same player he always was except: He is taking more shots and getting fewer blocks and steals. Seems he is trying to morph from an active, hustling bench player into offensive threat that will be seen as a starter worthy of a bigger contract? Too bad Milsap wasn't able to keep up the steals and blocks AND improved his defensive rebounding, while adding a stronger offensive game. That would have made this comparison a little less lopsided.

I wonder if Milsap is popular based on his reputation as a hustler off the bench?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa01.html
 
Masbee said:
Huh, I wonder.

Milsap PER: 19.9 a career high, and big jump from his previous high. Can he keep it up?
Boozer PER: 24.9 a career high, but not by much from 06-07, so we know when healthy he has kept up that pace before.

Boozer's defensive rating is the same as Milsaps. Always has been fairly close.

This season Milsap is shooting at a better percentage and taking more shots (so his PER rating is up), but that is partly countered by his steals and blocks (as a percentage of possessions) dropping by a fair bit. Looks pretty clear that Milsap isn't getting after it like he did the first 2 seasons. Takes a while for folks to notice.

As for Boozer, his steals are the same, and he never was a shotblocker to begin with.

Milsap is not a proven primary scorer like Boozer is. Like Boozer or not, you cannot question his ability to be a big-time scorer in the league. Milsap is an unknown, no matter what the fans say. Undersized players always need to prove their ability in this league AFTER they get heavily scouted and prepped for by the opposition. Until then, nobody knows.

Rebounding: Who said Milsap was better? Completely unfounded.

Milsap: TRB% 17.1. All important Defensive Rebounding Rate, 20.7.

Boozer: TRB% 20.6. All important Defesive Reboundign Rate, 28.0.

Boozer is a much better Defensive Rebounder than Milsap, and always has been. Defensive rebounding is very important. Just like good teams have to have a top flight scorer, they have to have a top flight defensive rebounder.

Milsap: Same player he always was except: He is taking more shots and getting fewer blocks and steals. Seems he is trying to morph from an active, hustling bench player into offensive threat that will be seen as a starter worthy of a bigger contract? Too bad Milsap wasn't able to keep up the steals and blocks AND improved his defensive rebounding, while adding a stronger offensive game. That would have made this comparison a little less lopsided.

I wonder if Milsap is popular based on his reputation as a hustler off the bench?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa01.html
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nice post.
 
I generally like proven stars over "upside" guys, just because I like my money in the bank. I'd rather know what I'm getting in the pieces I surround Roy and Oden with.

However, I look at Boozer and I immediately think "Zach Randolph with passing ability and no sideline stories." Not bad, not bad at all. I liked Zach.

I look at LaMarcus Aldridge and I immediately think, "Rasheed Wallace with a scorer's personality and no tantrums."

Which type of player projects to fit in better with Roy and Oden? I like Aldridge's profile more. I like knowing we've got a front court tandem with ridiculous height, yet still has the footspeed to keep up with most teams. I like Aldridge's ability to stay in front of wings on switches. I like his ability to run the floor. I like his ability to be productive on the defensive end when the shot isn't falling.

I also really still like Aldridge's upside. Remember, this guy was the #2 pick in the NBA draft. He was favorably compared to Bosh by Bosh's high school coach. He's taller, longer, faster, 4 years younger, and almost as productive statistically as Boozer was in his third year.

Boozer's a better player right now, but I think Aldridge projects to a better all-around player.

I'd see a move to acquire Boozer as lateral at best, and really a small step backward from just keeping Aldridge. Now, if you could somehow use Aldridge, LaFrentz and other pieces in a deal that sent us back Boozer and an All Star small forward or point guard, well, I'm all ears.
 
mook said:
However, I look at Boozer and I immediately think "Zach Randolph with passing ability and no sideline stories." Not bad, not bad at all. I liked Zach.

I look at LaMarcus Aldridge and I immediately think, "Rasheed Wallace with a scorer's personality and no tantrums."
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Well, also Rasheed Wallace without the fantastic defense. Otherwise, I agree with your comparisons.

I'm not sure which I'd rather have. Boozer is a much better player right now. I guess I'd like to sign Boozer and deal Aldridge for a big upgrade at another position. If it had to be one of the two, I'd keep Aldridge. He has the chance to be a 20+ PER player himself, with better defense than Boozer.
 
Boozer is a rich man's Zach Randolph. While he'd help the team, I don't think he's worth the money he's going to demand. Aldridge is a superior defender already (though not as good as I had expected when he was drafted). Aldridge isn't all that much worse of an offensive player. So the only major benefit to bringing in Boozer is for better rebounding in my opinion. With Greg and Joel in the middle, I don't think it's worth a max/near-max contract.
 
Foulzilla said:
So the only major benefit to bringing in Boozer is for better rebounding in my opinion. With Greg and Joel in the middle, I don't think it's worth a max/near-max contract.
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That's a really good point. We're already one of the best rebounding teams in the game:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=teamstatreb&season=2009&seasontype=2

We have the highest rebounding differential both in percent and raw numbers IN THE LEAGUE. (Pretty darned impressive, given our early schedule.)

Not really surprising, given Przybilla and Oden, but also taking into account Roy is a very good rebounder for a guard. How much do we really expect to improve those numbers by swapping out Aldridge for Boozer?

There comes a point where you reach diminishing returns. Reminds me of when Chicago added Ben Wallace. They were already a great defensive team. What did they really hope to gain? You can't just keep loading up in one area at the expense of others, and not pay the price.

Boozer really doesn't solve anything for this team.
 
mook said:
Boozer really doesn't solve anything for this team.
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Boozer solves one thing for this team - and that's post scoring - but given that I expect both LMA to get better in the post and Oden to get an awful lot better than he has shown so far in the post - I agree with the conclusion...
 
I'm opposed to giving anything of remote reciprocal value to Utah. They should be happy with anything they get, since a) he'll walk for free and b) there're teams that don't need to do a S&T to get him.

I think he'd be good for 4 months for us, if it was in lieu of Frye, Outlaw, Blake, etc. Or Raef. There's no way we're giving up Bayless, much less LMA for Boozer.

As such, I don't think I'd mind it. But it's kind of dumb for me. We aren't going to drop Joel from the 4/5 rotation b/c we get Boozer, so it's he and LMA splitting 48 mpg. Neither will be happy getting 24 minutes. Whoever gets less will be miserable.
 
Minstrel said:
Well, also Rasheed Wallace without the fantastic defense. Otherwise, I agree with your comparisons.

I'm not sure which I'd rather have. Boozer is a much better player right now. I guess I'd like to sign Boozer and deal Aldridge for a big upgrade at another position. If it had to be one of the two, I'd keep Aldridge. He has the chance to be a 20+ PER player himself, with better defense than Boozer.
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Boozer is a MUCH better rebounder than Wallace though.

EDIT - Um, yeah, you were talking about LMA and Wallace, which makes this post useless. Anyhoo, carry on...
 
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