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We have a top 10 NFL pick at QB. Two top picks on defense, one of the most talented RB/WR's in the nation and the best center in the nation.

...and the team gives up to a team who is not even in our league skill-wise.

And, the head coach stands there...arms crossed...adjusting his headset.

The fire is gone. All that CK built is gone in a flash. Bye-bye BCS streak. Hello, toilet bowl.

I've been a Duck fan since the last 70's. Long time since I recall a team simply giving up and getting rolled by a mediocre opponent.

I would not be posting any of this rant if we lost by a few points or even a score.

MH needs to go. He's weak.
 
Good grief. We have lost only 2 games and already the head coach should be fired?
 
You're missing the point.

I've witnessed a lot of letdowns. But, the last time I remember the team getting rolled because the team was laying an egg and not playing hard was the Emerald Seattle Bowl - a game I was at.

Twice in once season. The loss to an inferior team. Missing a BCS game and breaking a long streak.

Mark is not ready. I didn't say he should be fired. I said he'll be gone in two years. He's not ready.
 
The loss to Stanford was understandable. They're a very good team. Chip Kelly lost a game to a tough opponent every year as well.

But this loss to Arizona is something we have not seen in many years from this Ducks team. I know Arizona is a solid team, but they are an unranked 6-4 team, the type of team we usually eat for breakfast.

We've seen these Ducks come out to slow starts, but they've always gotten it going, and our defense has never looked so atrocious.

But yeah, I wouldn't bag the guy after one loss. College football is a tough sport...expectations are so high, and teams that are good kinda have this all or nothing attitude. What other sport is one and done like college football? If this were basketball, or the NFL, we'd still have a chance to redeem ourselves in the playoffs. Great teams have stinker games every now and then.
 
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When the coach looks like Nate McMillan on the sidelines - you have a problem.
 
He just stood there with a dumb look on his face and adjusted his headset. All night long.

Mark inherited the keys to a one loss, BCS bowl winning team that returned key talent and depth and every position.

In our two losses we have had 18 penalties to the opponents 4 and 5 turnovers to the opponents 0.

Not only has Mark not fostered and encouraged a defensive and offensive leader on the field, he himself is not a leader. The guy sure is smart, but he is not leading. Hello crap bowl! Mark's honeymoon is over.
 
It has been amazing how many key penalties the Ducks have suffered the past 3 weeks while their opponents somehow seemed to go all game without a flag... truly amazing. It only cranked up the absurdity having the Fusky announcer piling on and agreeing what with the benefit of replay should have been no calls and disputing Zona's few slaps on the wrists.

penalty ticker

Oregon 8 Zona 2
Oregon 10 Utah 4
Oregon 10 Stanford 2

STOMP
 
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The loss to Stanford was understandable. They're a very good team. Chip Kelly lost a game to a tough opponent every year as well.

But this loss to Arizona is something we have not seen in many years from this Ducks team. I know Arizona is a solid team, but they are an unranked 6-4 team, the type of team we usually eat for breakfast.

We've seen these Ducks come out to slow starts, but they've always gotten it going, and our defense has never looked so atrocious.

But yeah, I wouldn't bag the guy after one loss. College football is a tough sport...expectations are so high, and teams that are good kinda have this all or nothing attitude. What other sport is one and done like college football? If this were basketball, or the NFL, we'd still have a chance to redeem ourselves in the playoffs. Great teams have stinker games every now and then.
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I recall Chip getting our asses whupped on by Cupcake State. A team that in their best year wouldn't be a .500 team in the PAC-12. And he turned out OK.
 
Dude, it's Mark's first year. Mariota is coming back.

Relax.
 
This may seem an over-reaction, but bear with me for a moment.

In fairness to Mark, these kids were recruited on Chip's watch. I'm wondering if it was really the NCAA investigation that sent Chip fleeing into the night - or if he saw this coming. When Colt quit on the team, it seemed like an anomaly. Now I wonder if Colt was just the tip of the iceberg.

When a team without hope quits on a coach you can kind of understand it. When a one loss team with a shot at the Rose Bowl quits on their coach - that is something else again. While the coaching staff is hardly blameless, there must be more than a few bad apples in the locker-room. Chip recruited them, so at least 50 cents of that buck stops with him.
 
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This may seem an over-reaction, but bear with me for a moment.

In fairness to Mark, these kids were recruited on Chip's watch. I'm wondering if it was really the NCAA investigation that sent Chip fleeing into the night - or if he saw this coming. When Colt quit on the team, it seemed like an anomaly. Now I wonder if Colt was just the tip of the iceberg.

When a team without hope quits on a coach you can kind of understand it. When a one loss team with a shot at the Rose Bowl quits on their coach - that is something else again. While the coaching staff is hardly blameless, there must be more than a few bad apples in the locker-room. Chip recruited them, so at least 50 cents of that buck stops with him.
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I just don't know... Chip is a leader of men. He's a brash, arrogant, egotistical guy, but he is a leader. The team took on his personality in a way, and with him gone it seems like they've sort of lost that edge. I do not for a second believe that Chip would have allowed this team to just quit like that. Think about this, with Baylor losing we would have moved up into the top four, and with a couple losses we could have been back in the title game. Just seems short sighted by the players. I like Helf, but this is seriously concerning.

You brought up Lyerla, and I was thinking about that earlier. I wonder if Lylerla was just the beginning of Mark losing the respect of the players.
 
I respect your position. I disagree.

Chip inherited a Bellotti team that had lost seven games the previous two seasons and had not been to a major bowl since 2001.

We all know what Mark inherited.

We have self-destructed. Our penalties and turnovers show an unfocussed team. I think Colt is a headcase that would have problems anywhere, but Mark hasn't shown strong leadership with regard to player-media relations either.

I reserve the right to quickly change my opinion, but right now, Mark's leadership skills and abilities are in question. All his life he's been the quiet guy in the background. Leadership is not for everyone.

ASU, in one year, goes from the most penalized team to one of the lowest under Graham. Graham is a strong leader who now has his team competing for a championship.

Mark is not the guy...
 
Targus said:
I respect your position. I disagree.

Chip inherited a Bellotti team that had lost seven games the previous two seasons and had not been to a major bowl since 2001.

We all know what Mark inherited.

We have self-destructed. Our penalties and turnovers show an unfocussed team. I think Colt is a headcase that would have problems anywhere, but Mark hasn't shown strong leadership with regard to player-media relations either.

I reserve the right to quickly change my opinion, but right now, Mark's leadership skills and abilities are in question. All his life he's been the quiet guy in the background. Leadership is not for everyone.

ASU, in one year, goes from the most penalized team to one of the lowest under Graham. Graham is a strong leader who now has his team competing for a championship.

Mark is not the guy...
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What exactly are you disagreeing with?
 
Amen.

Even more so when your team loses the edge and instead of being a sharp sword, becomes a blunt stick...

Looking to next year and the players we lose...next year has the potential to be very very ugly.



Where can I get a "We Want Bama" shirt?
 
It could be worse. You could have Riley locked up in a lifetime contract.
 
I am not giving up on Mark like this. Maybe this team just wasn't as good as we all thought. Our D-Line and LB's don't exactly create fear to any team.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I am not giving up on Mark like this. Maybe this team just wasn't as good as we all thought. Our D-Line and LB's don't exactly create fear to any team.
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AA needs to go to the O Line. I feel like he's been extremely underwhelming as a D lineman.
 
Another factor here is that the Oregon Ducks offense is no longer a new innovative thing, basically everyone is running a similar hurry up offense. So we don't have that edge anymore, we'll simply have to rely on superior players. Mariota is hobbled, and we don't really have a stud running back on the level we've had for so many hears. Tyner may be next year, but he's not quite there yet.
 
Marks biggest mistake is he didn't put a mute on DAT going to the media. Next if the ROSE BOWL is a let down, be gone the NFL is waiting for you, you hope!

Another huge point not to overlook is we've not truly taught this Duck bunch how to lose! We've lost a national championship, a game to Stanford last year on a fluke DAT overrun past Marcus, and to an LSU team with freshman taking kickoffs.

This team hasn't been out of the top ten in 4 years. Our egos grew, and our edge was put into coast and this year it caught us!

Two things can happen here.

1) we beat the holy hell out of OSU and crush our bowl game

or

2) We fold tent, act like spoiled rotten brats, get housed by the Beavs and not show up for our bowl game.


Before I pass judgment on Mark Helfrich, let's see how we finish! The first positive steps is our team needs to be "QUIET" with the media and lethal on the field for the next 2 games!!! We'll know than if Mark is leading this team or merely chaperoning it's talent!
 
I know this much, Phil Knight probably won't put up with it. If they lose the rest of their games this season and I think it's possible based on what I have seen. It wouldn't surprise me to see a shift in direction...especially if Mariotta and Thomas who are built on this 'style' leave for the NFL.

I think there is something to the experts feelings that Oregon is digressing. I can't believe this athletic dept and boosters like Knight want to see or hear that. I think Sly is on to something with Peterson. And if not Peterson. It wouldn't surprise me to see them bring Bellotti back.
 
To be fair, Targus is the same poster who didn't want "Flip" Kelly back after it looked like he was headed to Tampa Bay, only to have Chip come back to Oregon, and then quit this board for a year after being called out on it.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/205928-Canzanbo-on-Chip?p=2727654#post2727654

This will be a big year. Chip is losing his starting QB that has taken the team to a NC showing and a BCS win. He's losing a once in decade RB and Oregon leading RB.

If Flip Kelly takes Oregon to a BCS win next year, I'm a believe in his excellence. Until them, I'm just a believe in his goodness.

If Flip would have mentored Blount, Harris and Masoli like he should have - how far would this Duck team have gone?
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Sinobas said:
Another factor here is that the Oregon Ducks offense is no longer a new innovative thing, basically everyone is running a similar hurry up offense. So we don't have that edge anymore, we'll simply have to rely on superior players. Mariota is hobbled, and we don't really have a stud running back on the level we've had for so many hears. Tyner may be next year, but he's not quite there yet.
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their leading rusher (Marshall) went out with an ankle in the first half which didn't help the cause. I'm not sure what your definition of stud RB is, but pretty sure he'll end up in the NFL... as will DAT and Tyner. Mariota being hobbled takes away a huge part of their offense as evidenced by every game since he sustained the injury vs WSU. More then the yards he would have run for, it's the threat of his run that keeps the D honest instead of just loading up on the RB.

what has me puzzled is the drop off of the play of their front 7 on D. It seems similar to last year when several of their starting Lineman missed games. Maybe they've got some walking wounded that we just aren't hearing about because of the no talk about injuries policy? Through the UCLA game they were constantly in the opponent's backfield shedding blocks and making plays and thats just not happening now. Be it health or attitude, something has changed. It makes a lot more sense to me to guess it's more health then attitude as the team has had plenty of reason to be motivated

STOMP
 
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I'm in the same boat that MH isn't the right coach for this team. Granted, I don't think you fire him after one year, but it still is not looking like a great hire. He just isn't ready and he IS NOT a leader.

Starting slow is NOT Duck football, and I'd say a majority (if not almost every single game) the Ducks have been slow out of the gate. Beyond that, we simply have been ready for almost every team. Even against Utah it took us a little while to get going. You can tell just in the way this team plays that MH has failed in preparing this team for battle week in and week out.

While I'm willing to give him another year, MH needs to take SIGNIFICANT steps in becoming a better leader--otherwise he needs to be fired.
 
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