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Dave D: Nets Nixed Carter Trade to Cleveland
June 27, 2008, 4:38 pm Mid-afternoon yesterday, as the Richard Jefferson deal was being packaged, the Cavaliers called the Nets. If you’re in a fire sale mode, how about Wally (Expiring Contract) Szczerbiak for Vince Carter? The Nets kicked it around but then declined … perhaps because if they had, the only fans at IZOD would have been friends and families of the Chinese ambassador to the UN. But, oh, the cap space.

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I am so mad!! i said this morning on this board I want to see Vince in cleveland! dang!!!
 
Wow I'm glad that didn't happen. What would be the point in clearing cap room if we gave Carter to Cleveland? That would pretty much kill our shot at LeBron leavin imo.
 
If this trade was anywhere but Cleveland, Rod takes it and runs, too bad.
 
As much as people would love to dog Vince Carter around here, that move makes no sense for two reasons. 1. The aforementioned fact that VC is still a draw. 2. The Cavs are potentially one more player away from being on the same level with the Boston Celtics. To that end pray that Michael Redd isn't shipped to the Cavs.
 
Yepp, there was no way that the Nets would do this with Cleveland. They don't want to give Lebron any incentive to consider staying where he is.
 
Thank god we didn't pull the trigger on this one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Carter15Nets @ Jun 27 2008, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>whys it say vc has 4 years left to run......i thought 3 left</div>

3 and a team option. That is quite odd, though.
 
lamar odom for vc...

vc can give the celtics problems odom can't...

...and the nets get another 7-footer!!! yay!

gana, krstic, yi, brook, odom!!! lol...
 
They went to the Finals with Larry Hughes at SG. I think Vince would actually get a ring before Kidd which wouldn't be good for Brooklyn.
 
It would have been pretty funny if they got Carter and then signed LeBron to a contract extension a few days later.
 
why did the nets decline? the cavs will always be a better team than the nets until 2010...so if lebron is to come to brooklyn, it will only be because of the nets' potential to be better once he does come (which will only be hurt by a highly paid 34-yr old vince carter), because of lbj's relationship with jay-z and new york being a bigger market.

lebron will certainly come if the nets say we have enough cap space to sign you and (amare/bosh/wade) and they will surely sign if they know they are to play with lebron james...
 
I think we can do better.

Not a LOT better, but better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why did the nets decline? the cavs will always be a better team than the nets until 2010...so if lebron is to come to brooklyn, it will only be because of the nets' potential to be better once he does come (which will only be hurt by a highly paid 34-yr old vince carter), because of lbj's relationship with jay-z and new york being a bigger market.

lebron will certainly come if the nets say we have enough cap space to sign you and (amare/bosh/wade) and they will surely sign if they know they are to play with lebron james...</div>

With Carter the Cavs could become a championship team. If LeBron wins a ring in Cleveland he will not leave.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jun 27 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why did the nets decline? the cavs will always be a better team than the nets until 2010...so if lebron is to come to brooklyn, it will only be because of the nets' potential to be better once he does come (which will only be hurt by a highly paid 34-yr old vince carter), because of lbj's relationship with jay-z and new york being a bigger market.

lebron will certainly come if the nets say we have enough cap space to sign you and (amare/bosh/wade) and they will surely sign if they know they are to play with lebron james...</div>

With Carter the Cavs could become a championship team. If LeBron wins a ring in Cleveland he will not leave.
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even if lebron wins one with vc (which is not by any chance a sure thing with the celtics and lakers being very good for a couple of years still) lebron will ask himself, "can i win one again with an aging vince carter?"
 
Thank god Thorn said no to Wally. VC has done nothing bust bust his butt for us ever since the day we freed him from Toronto. I know sometimes board members like to rag on VC when things go wrong but he's always done what we have asked and since day one has carried an enormous load for us. While Kidd pined for his team USA mates and RJ was saying something tongue in cheek to reporters to get noticed, Vince was being a pro and playing some of the best basketball of his career. He is still an excellent player who will transition this young team to the future with his all around game and i'm glad to have him here for the rest of his contract as I feel he will continue to do so. Another great move by Thorn and Kiki, so far this summer is going great.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jun 27 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thank god Thorn said no to Wally. VC has done nothing bust bust his butt for us ever since the day we freed him from Toronto. I know sometimes board members like to rag on VC when things go wrong but he's always done what we have asked and since day one has carried an enormous load for us. While Kidd pined for his team USA mates and RJ was saying something tongue in cheek to reporters to get noticed, Vince was being a pro and playing some of the best basketball of his career. He is still an excellent player who will transition this young team to the future with his all around game and i'm glad to have him here for the rest of his contract as I feel he will continue to do so. Another great move by Thorn and Kiki, so far this summer is going great.</div>

that's why i want him in cleveland so he can have a chance to win one...and the nets get enormous cap space...its a win-win.

even if we don't get lebron there are other superstars in that 2010 free agent market.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jun 27 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why did the nets decline? the cavs will always be a better team than the nets until 2010...so if lebron is to come to brooklyn, it will only be because of the nets' potential to be better once he does come (which will only be hurt by a highly paid 34-yr old vince carter), because of lbj's relationship with jay-z and new york being a bigger market.

lebron will certainly come if the nets say we have enough cap space to sign you and (amare/bosh/wade) and they will surely sign if they know they are to play with lebron james...</div>

With Carter the Cavs could become a championship team. If LeBron wins a ring in Cleveland he will not leave.
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even if lebron wins one with vc (which is not by any chance a sure thing with the celtics and lakers being very good for a couple of years still) lebron will ask himself, "can i win one again with an aging vince carter?"
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But LeBron has to consider how leaving would affect his reputation and image. If he left after winning a championship he would be labeled a quitter and these kind of labels tend to stick. Look at Vince. If LeBron wants to market himself as a global icon, he can't afford to have a tarnished image. Its one thing to leave because the Cavs have failed to build around you, but you can't argue that if you have a ring.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jun 27 2008, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jun 27 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why did the nets decline? the cavs will always be a better team than the nets until 2010...so if lebron is to come to brooklyn, it will only be because of the nets' potential to be better once he does come (which will only be hurt by a highly paid 34-yr old vince carter), because of lbj's relationship with jay-z and new york being a bigger market.

lebron will certainly come if the nets say we have enough cap space to sign you and (amare/bosh/wade) and they will surely sign if they know they are to play with lebron james...</div>

With Carter the Cavs could become a championship team. If LeBron wins a ring in Cleveland he will not leave.
</div>

even if lebron wins one with vc (which is not by any chance a sure thing with the celtics and lakers being very good for a couple of years still) lebron will ask himself, "can i win one again with an aging vince carter?"
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But LeBron has to consider how leaving would affect his reputation and image. If he left after winning a championship he would be labeled a quitter and these kind of labels tend to stick. Look at Vince. If LeBron wants to market himself as a global icon, he can't afford to have a tarnished image. Its one thing to leave because the Cavs have failed to build around you, but you can't argue that if you have a ring.
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that is also true but like i said there are other superstars in that 2010 FA market...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that's why i want him in cleveland so he can have a chance to win one...and the nets get enormous cap space...its a win-win.

even if we don't get lebron there are other superstars in that 2010 free agent market.</div>

What you're failing to see is that VC is a guy who can help make the young kids on this team develop and find a groove. One LBJ or another superstar can walk into and keep flowing.

Vince is still a guy who commands alot of attention and with that comes opportunities for the other players on the floor because of his unselfishness. Wally does not give you that luxury and is a disruptive player if not treated like he feels he should. There's good reason Minnesota, Boston, and Seattle all got rid of him in their rebuilding processes. The money coming off the books is nowhere as important as the teaching and growth Carter can provide for our young players.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jun 27 2008, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that's why i want him in cleveland so he can have a chance to win one...and the nets get enormous cap space...its a win-win.

even if we don't get lebron there are other superstars in that 2010 free agent market.</div>

What you're failing to see is that VC is a guy who can help make the young kids on this team develop and find a groove. One LBJ or another superstar can walk into and keep flowing.

Vince is still a guy who commands alot of attention and with that comes opportunities for the other players on the floor because of his unselfishness. Wally does not give you that luxury and is a disruptive player if not treated like he feels he should. There's good reason Minnesota and Seattle both got rid of him in their rebuilding processes. The money coming off the books is nowhere as important as the teaching and growth Carter can provide for our young players.
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that is also true though i feel differently...without a 2nd threat (no rj), a proven low-post presence (i hope lopez proves me wrong real quick) and still no shooters...vc will have difficulty with all the defense focused on him...especially with his advancing age...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jun 27 2008, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that's why i want him in cleveland so he can have a chance to win one...and the nets get enormous cap space...its a win-win.

even if we don't get lebron there are other superstars in that 2010 free agent market.</div>

What you're failing to see is that VC is a guy who can help make the young kids on this team develop and find a groove. One LBJ or another superstar can walk into and keep flowing.

Vince is still a guy who commands alot of attention and with that comes opportunities for the other players on the floor because of his unselfishness. Wally does not give you that luxury and is a disruptive player if not treated like he feels he should. There's good reason Minnesota and Seattle both got rid of him in their rebuilding processes. The money coming off the books is nowhere as important as the teaching and growth Carter can provide for our young players.
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that is also true though i feel differently...without a 2nd threat (no rj), a proven low-post presence (i hope lopez proves me wrong real quick) and still no shooters...vc will have difficulty with all the defense focused on him...especially with his advancing age...
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Devin seems like a good 2nd thread to me. And we're still not done.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jun 27 2008, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that is also true though i feel differently...without a 2nd threat (no rj), a proven low-post presence (i hope lopez proves me wrong real quick) and still no shooters...vc will have difficulty with all the defense focused on him...especially with his advancing age...</div>

It's fine to have a differing opinion and I can see where you're coming from but I respectfully disagree.

VC had all the attention on him last season and he handled it just fine, even with the injuries he wracked up all season. RJ's increased scoring totals were a byproduct of that attention (no curly and Kidd's offensive ineptitude were also factors) no doubt. Now instead of VC finding one other guy he now has multiple options. While none may be a 20 PPG scorer on their own, everyone we have acquired so far this summer is a predominantly offensive player with size, athleticism, and hustle.

I point to all of the pick and roll lobs VC and Boone hooked up with and Josh is not exactly an offensive machine, imagine what he can do with two guys like Yi and Brook who can go inside and out.

Devin Harris is our second option. His unselfishness in pushing the tempo and attacking the basket is key and, while he may not be ready for it, this is a great opportunity to see if he's up to the task. Devin will never be the leader of this team, but he can try out the role as a number 2 option because of having Vince alongside of him. VC's play making allows Devin to play how he does best, as recipient as much as an initiator, and deep down I think he has shades of Tony Parker in him. If the Wally trade were to happen and Devin is the only guy who's running the show he'll never get a chance to try and find that dimension.

We have shooters (while no one is going to be confused for Peja Stojakovic) in Marcus, Devin, VC, Andersen, and Simmons all have range and we do have time to add another piece. Our 2 new bigmen have good jumpers and allow our slashers room to slash. I think we're getting all of the right kind of pieces but without having that player who can command a double team on a nightly basis their growth will take longer for these kids, as they are complimentary guys now, to find their potential or possibly kill the chance of them ever reaching it.

While you can point to VC's age and say he only has so much left in the tank, that's true with any player at this point in their careers, VC is playing smarter than his competition on a near nightly basis and he now has a chance to help build an ensemble team that could help him sustain it that much longer.

VC chose to stay in NJ, and now he's gonna earn that paycheck. The RJ move was the financial move and this was the basketball move, or non-move if you will.
 
I dont get why we re-signed him at all. No body made him an offer, yet me gave him that ridiculous deal. Now it looks like we might just dump him......

I wanted to re build like 2 years ago. Better late than never, but still.......
 

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