Nets possibly interested in #2 pick?!

[Dumpy]

Heat president Pat Riley created a buzz after Tuesday night's draft lottery when he strongly suggested Miami would trade the pick if the right deal came along. At least five lottery teams picking behind the Heat -- including Seattle, Memphis, New York, New Jersey and Sacramento -- would have interest in acquiring Beasley if the Heat is serious about making a potential draft-day trade.

. . .

New Jersey is expected to be one of the more active teams this offseason as new general manager Kiki Vandeweghe looks to retool the roster after Jason Kidd's departure.

''I like that pick,'' Vandeweghe said of the Heat's draft position. ``It's obviously looked at that this is a two-person draft, that the draft really starts after that second pick or whatever. At that point, you can sit back and look at options..''

Riley would not say what the Heat would expect in return should it part with the No. 2 pick. But it likely would require the combination of the Heat swapping selections with a team that chooses later in the lottery -- but likely within the top 10 -- and adding a proven veteran at point guard or center.

LOOKING FOR PARTNER?

It might also take a trading partner willing to take on the two seasons and $15.2 million remaining on center Mark Blount's contract or the three seasons and $13.2 million left on guard Marcus Banks' deal.


http://www.miamiherald.com/594/story/542123.html

I think they're just exploring options at this point. It doesn't seem like the Nets are a good trade partner for the heat, given their assets and the Heat's needs.

 

[soul driver]

Yeah, can't really see the Nets and Miami making a deal...would have been awesome to have Beasley, but beggers can't be choosers.
So, let's assume us and Miami do make a deal (not going to happen) , what would we give them?

 

[Netted]

Do you do #10 and Devin for #2 (Rose if he's still on the board) and Haslem?

 

[SportsTicker]

Yeah, something like Banks, Blount, the #2 pick for Jefferson, the #10 and #21 picks.

It works under the CBA, by the way. You could even add Marcus. RJ becomes a second option after Wade. Nets get a defensive oriented backup PG, a center who sucks, and Michael Beasley.

Problem is what happens if Bulls take Beasley. You wind up with Rose, Harris, Banks.

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ May 22 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you do #10 and Devin for #2 (Rose if he's still on the board) and Haslem?</div>

Hmm, that's one to consider.

 

[kobimel]

Haha....there's no way they're going to trade a talented big man AND Rose/Beasley for Devin Harris, who's a good player but who both picks will probably surpass eventually, and a #10 pick. C'mon, they're not that dumb.

It would take at least RJ, #10+fillers for the pick and Banks/Blount, though that isn't too bad a trade for us.

 

[soul driver]

I can't really see Bulls picking Rose.
Beasley to Bulls, Rose to Miami, and that's that.

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ May 22 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, something like Banks, Blount, the #2 pick for Jefferson, the #10 and #21 picks.

It works under the CBA, by the way. You could even add Marcus. RJ becomes a second option after Wade. Nets get a defensive oriented backup PG, a center who sucks, and Michael Beasley.

Problem is what happens if Bulls take Beasley. You wind up with Rose, Harris, Banks.</div>

I like the idea of that deal better than trading Devin and parts for Rose, but it would obviously have to be conditioned on Chicago taking Rose first.

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ May 22 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha....there's no way they're going to trade a talented big man AND Rose/Beasley for Devin Harris, who's a good player but who both picks will probably surpass eventually, and a #10 pick. C'mon, they're not that dumb.

It would take at least RJ, #10+fillers for the pick and Banks/Blount, though that isn't too bad a trade for us.</div>

I can't see the Heat wanting RJ unless Marion opts out, and that won't be officially known until after the draft.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ May 22 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ May 22 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha....there's no way they're going to trade a talented big man AND Rose/Beasley for Devin Harris, who's a good player but who both picks will probably surpass eventually, and a #10 pick. C'mon, they're not that dumb.

It would take at least RJ, #10+fillers for the pick and Banks/Blount, though that isn't too bad a trade for us.</div>

I can't see the Heat wanting RJ unless Marion opts out, and that won't be officially known until after the draft.
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I had forgotten that Marion could opt out.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ May 22 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, something like Banks, Blount, the #2 pick for Jefferson, the #10 and #21 picks.

It works under the CBA, by the way. You could even add Marcus. RJ becomes a second option after Wade. Nets get a defensive oriented backup PG, a center who sucks, and Michael Beasley.

Problem is what happens if Bulls take Beasley. You wind up with Rose, Harris, Banks.</div>

You are dreaming. RJ isn't worth anywhere near that.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 22 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ May 22 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, something like Banks, Blount, the #2 pick for Jefferson, the #10 and #21 picks.

It works under the CBA, by the way. You could even add Marcus. RJ becomes a second option after Wade. Nets get a defensive oriented backup PG, a center who sucks, and Michael Beasley.

Problem is what happens if Bulls take Beasley. You wind up with Rose, Harris, Banks.</div>

You are dreaming. RJ isn't worth anywhere near that.
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RJ and the #10th & 21st pick isn't worth the #2 pick and taking a couple crappy contracts? Taking those 2 contracts off Miami's hands allows them to add RJ and keep their cap space and use it more effectively. Way worth it for Miami if they are in win now mode. Not saying Miami should do it, but the exchange of values in the deal isn't that crazy.

 

[soul driver]

10, 21, RJ, Marcus and KVH for #2 and two crappy contracts.
hmm..

 

[Dark Defender]

Sean, Devin, #10, #21, RJ and we take those contracts.

Done.

 

[Universe]

I'd say something the lines of:

Stromile Swift
Marcus Williams
Nenad Krstic
Josh Boone
10th pick
40th pick

for

Mark Blount
Marcus Banks
2nd pick
52nd pick

Miami has seen what Krstic can do in the playoffs and they also get Josh Boone who makes Haslem tradable if they would like. An expiring in Stromile and youth in Marcus Williams. The 10th pick also gives them some good young talent as well.

PG - Jason Williams
SG - Dwyane Wade
SF - Shawn Marion
PF - Udonis Haslem
C - Nenad Krstic

With the bench having Boone, Marcus and other FA pickups along with the rookie they take at ten.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 22 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean, Devin, #10, #21, RJ and we take those contracts.

Done.</div>
Are you nuts? Devin <u>and</u> RJ <u>and</u> our picks <u>PLUS</u> we take back shit contracts for the #2 pick?

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 22 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean, Devin, #10, #21, RJ and we take those contracts.

Done.</div>

Why would you ever want to do that.

On the other hand, I can say for sure that would get the deal done...

 

[Dark Defender]

The Nets don't have a "middle" package that would get the deal done, we have to blow them out of the park to get this done.

 

[J-HoAgZ]

I would absolutely love if we traded up for Beasley. But I doubt the Bulls take Rose..

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 22 2008, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets don't have a "middle" package that would get the deal done, we have to blow them out of the park to get this done.</div>

And in doing so blow our franchise up in the process?

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 22 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean, Devin, #10, #21, RJ and we take those contracts.

Done.</div>

Harris is too valuable to include in a deal like this. But you are closer than NI was.

From now on, let's substitute "Durant" whereever we see "Beasley" because there isn't much difference between the quality of those two players.

Maybe this will help give a more realistic view of the value of the #2 pick.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ May 22 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 22 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ May 22 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, something like Banks, Blount, the #2 pick for Jefferson, the #10 and #21 picks.

It works under the CBA, by the way. You could even add Marcus. RJ becomes a second option after Wade. Nets get a defensive oriented backup PG, a center who sucks, and Michael Beasley.

Problem is what happens if Bulls take Beasley. You wind up with Rose, Harris, Banks.</div>

You are dreaming. RJ isn't worth anywhere near that.
</div>
RJ and the #10th & 21st pick isn't worth the #2 pick and taking a couple crappy contracts? Taking those 2 contracts off Miami's hands allows them to add RJ and keep their cap space and use it more effectively. Way worth it for Miami if they are in win now mode. Not saying Miami should do it, but the exchange of values in the deal isn't that crazy.
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Isn't RJ about the same cost both per season and overall as Beasley, Blount and Banks?

Then why downgrade from Beasley to RJ?

 

[Kidd Karma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ May 22 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, something like Banks, Blount, the #2 pick for Jefferson, the #10 and #21 picks.

It works under the CBA, by the way. You could even add Marcus. RJ becomes a second option after Wade. Nets get a defensive oriented backup PG, a center who sucks, and Michael Beasley.

Problem is what happens if Bulls take Beasley. You wind up with Rose, Harris, Banks.</div>

Which is very likely if they were drafting for need, this is why all trades involving draft picks happen after the picks are made, so if there was a deal it won't be official until after the last pick inthe trade is completed, so this proposed move won't happen until #21 is completed. So basically, if Bulls pick Rose, hand shake deal is done, if Bulls pick Beasley, Heat get their man. I'm sure this is discussed at some level...Thorn-Riley.

 

[ghoti]

I'd do that deal for Rose, too.

The Nets get rid of RJ and get back a HUGE asset in Rose.

There is no downside to trading RJ for Rose or Beasley.

Blount's contract expires after the 2009 season. I'm sure LeBron would love to play with Derrick Rose.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

What do you do with Harris then?

 

[Astral]

If you guys read the article closer, it says that:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Because Miami owes its 2009 first-round pick to Minnesota, league rules prohibit the Heat from dealing this year's pick until after the draft.</div>

I still don't see the Heat taking on RJ. They have Marion, and even if he resigns with them it will be pretty much for the same money as RJ (~$14-15M per).. and Marion is better than RJ. They need major help at PG, C and quality of their bench. We can't help any of that unless we give them Harris.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 22 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 22 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean, Devin, #10, #21, RJ and we take those contracts.

Done.</div>

Harris is too valuable to include in a deal like this. But you are closer than NI was.

From now on, let's substitute "Durant" whereever we see "Beasley" because there isn't much difference between the quality of those two players.

Maybe this will help give a more realistic view of the value of the #2 pick.
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That's too much to give up. The problem, as I see it, is that the centerpiece of the deal has to be RJ, and I doubt that the Heat value him high enough, just based on where their primary needs are.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ May 22 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you do with Harris then?</div>

His trade value has never been higher.

I'd rather have Beasley, but if a trade gets RJ off the books and clears space for 2010 Rose is fine, too.

This is all pointless, because the proposed trade is not happening. The Nets are not getting either of those guys for RJ.

 

[Jizzy]

i;'d definetly do that trade. blount, sucks but we wont have to play him, banks has always been a thorn fav for some reason and beasly could be our PF we have been searching for. i'd love to get rose if he fell to us as well instead of beasly

 

[ghoti]

Another thought.

If The Nets trade RJ for Rose, it would make it very painless to include Harris in a S&T for LeBron.

He's not going to any team if they have to gut the roster to get him, and he's not going to take less money to walk, either.