New CDC data about Obesity

[Eastoff]

link

Some interesting facts in there.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

ahhhh thanks?

 

[Haakzilla]

...the FDA is really doing a great job!

 

[jlprk]

I knew it!

The conservative states are the fat ass states.

Good maps.

 

[barfo]

I knew it!

The conservative states are the fat ass states.

Good maps.

Yep. Conservative = fat = lower education = more sucking at the public teat. Maps don't lie - there is a correlation there.

barfo

 

[Eastoff]

Yep. Conservative = fat = lower education = more sucking at the public teat. Maps don't lie - there is a correlation there.

barfo

Hey now! Just because the states that put more money into the federal tax system and then receive less of that money back from the federal government HAPPEN to be typically blue, doesn't mean anything! Just because the states that HAPPEN to be highly densely populated and HAPPEN to have less representation per capita in the house of representatives, doesn't mean anything either!

 

[jlprk]

I have seen maps like this for years. It's an old, scientifically-proven fact that conservatives sit around all day eating boxes of candy.

 

[speeds]

I have seen maps like this for years. It's an old, scientifically-proven fact that conservatives sit around all day eating boxes of candy.

Well, fuck. Where's my tricorne hat?

 

[HailBlazers]

...the FDA is really doing a great job!

riiiiiight?

 

[Haakzilla]

Maps don't lie

barfo

...both teams ate hard!

 

[Eastoff]

...the FDA is really doing a great job!

And people laugh/anger when NYC wants to outlaw sugar sweetened beverages over 20 ounces. There are ten sugar packets in a glass of soda, and the same amount in a glass of juice.

 

[RR7]

And people laugh/anger when NYC wants to outlaw sugar sweetened beverages over 20 ounces. There are ten sugar packets in a glass of soda, and the same amount in a glass of juice.

No, they're evil!!

 

[Haakzilla]

And people laugh/anger when NYC wants to outlaw sugar sweetened beverages over 20 ounces. There are ten sugar packets in a glass of soda, and the same amount in a glass of juice.

...sugar, arguably more deadly/toxic than alcohol and tobacco...combined!

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Anyone with even a passing interest in how the industrial food system works knows that the FDA is a goddamn joke

 

[Eastoff]

Anyone with even a passing interest in how the industrial food system works knows that the FDA is a goddamn joke

Well I think it's fair to say that the FDA has done their job poorly, but they have done a little bit of work. I mean, you don't find fingers in meat. You have warnings about drug side-effects. You have warnings about smoking causing cancer. But sure, they bow to a lot of industries and aren't as strongly worded as they should be. But again, how much do people listen, and how much do people say "SHUT UP AND GIVE ME MY QUARTER POUNDER WITH PEPPERONI AND ORANGE CHICKEN SAUCE!"

 

[speeds]

Well I think it's fair to say that the FDA has done their job poorly, but they have done a little bit of work. I mean, you don't find fingers in meat. You have warnings about drug side-effects. You have warnings about smoking causing cancer. But sure, they bow to a lot of industries and aren't as strongly worded as they should be. But again, how much do people listen, and how much do people say "SHUT UP AND GIVE ME MY QUARTER POUNDER WITH PEPPERONI AND ORANGE CHICKEN SAUCE!"

Never?

/Literal_Jimmy

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

And people laugh/anger when NYC wants to outlaw sugar sweetened beverages over 20 ounces. There are ten sugar packets in a glass of soda, and the same amount in a glass of juice.

Do you support government regulating what we eat or drink?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

...sugar, arguably more deadly/toxic than alcohol and tobacco...combined!

I know. That's why I like it so much.

 

[RR7]

Do you support government regulating what we eat or drink?

is it ok for them to regulate alcohol and drug consumption? Isn't that regulating what we can eat or drink?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

is it ok for them to regulate alcohol and drug consumption? Isn't that regulating what we can eat or drink?

I see a difference, but I do see what I think is your point.

To me there's a difference between alcohol/drugs which are very definitively mood/mind altering. As an example, it doesn't take much alcohol or drugs to impair a person. That impairment (which all people are susceptible to) could lead to an auto accident killing/injuring a person or raping someone... Therefore, the government seeks to regulate for general and immediate public safety.

Eating too much sugar could lead to health issues such as diabetes or obesity, but not necessarily. There is also no potential immediate safety issues to the general public.

As such, I see it as a Big Brother type thing. Or maybe sticking it to business because it's a very trendy thing to do politically these days.

Now, all that said, I have no problem regulating food/drink in public schools or government buildings...

 

[RR7]

I see a difference, but I do see what I think is your point.

To me there's a difference between alcohol/drugs which are very definitively mood/mind altering. As an example, it doesn't take much alcohol or drugs to impair a person. That impairment (which all people are susceptible to) could lead to an auto accident killing/injuring a person or raping someone... Therefore, the government seeks to regulate for general and immediate public safety.

Eating too much sugar could lead to health issues such as diabetes or obesity, but not necessarily. There is also no potential immediate safety issues to the general public.

As such, I see it as a Big Brother type thing. Or maybe sticking it to business because it's a very trendy thing to do politically these days.

Now, all that said, I have no problem regulating food/drink in public schools or government buildings...

Look at people's dependence on caffeine. And how people talk about how they "haven't had their coffee this morning". And the headaches people get when they don't have it. Most definitely mood altering and dependence forming.
Anyone seeing a kid with a little sugar in them knows its impairment abilities as well. Or anyone, adult included, who has had to much sugar and begins to shake.
I understand your driving point, and thus a rule not to drink and drive. Rape? ok. Don't know how they regulate against it. But why is there an age limit for alcohol and not coffee, or sugar, etc. Alcohol is regulated to prevent driving, but then also for adults only. And adults clearly don't make great decisions with driving, etc. on it. Why the kid/adult regulation?
Why do we let government mandate seat belts. It could save my life. The same way regulating against sugar can. But I don't put anyone else at risk when I don't wear it, just myself. Why make me wear a helmet when I ride a motorcycle in some states? Etc.
Why tell me what I have to wear(in the car) but allow me to stuff my fat face with shitty sugary soda that so much of this country abuses?

 

[mook]

When congress passed legislation requiring that hospitals treated everyone who comes to an ER, health went from being a private issue to a public issue.

Somebody has to pay for emergency room visits for those who can't pay. That somebody is either the taxpayer or other patients attending that ER. If you agree that it's ok to stick all of us with poor people's ER bills, don't get mad when we start passing legislation that drives down those bills. Helmet laws, seat belts, soft drink laws, preventative medicine, subsidized birth control--to me it's all about reducing ER visits (and consequently my own overall health care/tax bill).

Yeah, it creates more of a nanny state, and a side effect is a limitation on my freedom to not wear a seat belt or eat a 60oz soda. But I feel like it's an acceptable trade off.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Look at people's dependence on caffeine. And how people talk about how they "haven't had their coffee this morning". And the headaches people get when they don't have it. Most definitely mood altering and dependence forming.
Anyone seeing a kid with a little sugar in them knows its impairment abilities as well. Or anyone, adult included, who has had to much sugar and begins to shake.
I understand your driving point, and thus a rule not to drink and drive. Rape? ok. Don't know how they regulate against it. But why is there an age limit for alcohol and not coffee, or sugar, etc. Alcohol is regulated to prevent driving, but then also for adults only. And adults clearly don't make great decisions with driving, etc. on it. Why the kid/adult regulation?
Why do we let government mandate seat belts. It could save my life. The same way regulating against sugar can. But I don't put anyone else at risk when I don't wear it, just myself. Why make me wear a helmet when I ride a motorcycle in some states? Etc.
Why tell me what I have to wear(in the car) but allow me to stuff my fat face with shitty sugary soda that so much of this country abuses?

I think the difference between sugar/caffeine and alcohol/drugs is clear enough and what they do to people, impairment wise. I mean, neither of the former impair me or anyone else I know. But as to the latter, it's 100% for everyone.

As to seat belts, I disagree with the regulation of them. I feel if I want to not wear them (or a helmet on a motorcycle or bike) then that is up to me. If I get injured as a result, then it's on me and I accept the responsibility. Neither plays a factor in harming others. That said, I have no problems regulating infant car seats as it now directly effects the safety of others and people have been known to disregard those rights. Especially coffee, soda and burger consumers, ya know.

 

[Eastoff]

eat a 60oz soda

Well there's your problem right there!

 

[Eastoff]

I think the difference between sugar/caffeine and alcohol/drugs is clear enough and what they do to people, impairment wise. I mean, neither of the former impair me or anyone else I know. But as to the latter, it's 100% for everyone.

I agree that it doesn't impair you like alcohol/drugs. But let me use an anecdote (not good science sorry) to give some sway. I used to drink about 3 or 4 glasses of soda a day. Then I cut back to about once every two weeks, but when I do, I feel pretty sluggish for a few hours. Have you had any similar experience?

 

[RR7]

The regulation of cigarettes seems to be strictly a health issue, so why not do the same thing on stuff like pop. Tax it sky high and put an age limit on it, take away commercials and advertisements, and make them say there's a chance you'll die of heart disease if you drink the shit by the two liter while sitting on your ass all day.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I agree that it doesn't impair you like alcohol/drugs. But let me use an anecdote (not good science sorry) to give some sway. I used to drink about 3 or 4 glasses of soda a day. Then I cut back to about once every two weeks, but when I do, I feel pretty sluggish for a few hours. Have you had any similar experience?

As a reformed soda drinker (2-3 per day down to 2-3 per week; plus, I've taken out my morning hot Starbucks cocoa) I haven't seen a difference at all except that I think I fall to sleep faster at night if I don't drink a soda after 7PM.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The regulation of cigarettes seems to be strictly a health issue, so why not do the same thing on stuff like pop. Tax it sky high and put an age limit on it, take away commercials and advertisements, and make them say there's a chance you'll die of heart disease if you drink the shit by the two liter while sitting on your ass all day.

I don't mean to be rude, but is that a joke? Or do you really mean that?

 

[Eastoff]

I don't mean to be rude, but is that a joke? Or do you really mean that?

The leading cause of death in the US is Heart Disease, not cancer. Shouldn't we regulate the cause of it? (Not just sugar obviously)

 

[RR7]

I don't mean to be rude, but is that a joke? Or do you really mean that?

Why tax some vices like tobacco and not others?