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This makes more sense for both teams than the previously mentioned Outlaw & filler for Conley & filler trade rumor.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...95~2794~3417~2754&teams=22~22~29~29&te=&cash=

Portland sends out Channing Frye and J. Bayless

Memphis sends out: Mike Conley and H. Warrick

Why Memphis does this trade: It gets them the starting PF and backup center they desperately need, and allows them to let Darko go back to Europe where he belongs. Bayless should be a very good back court scorer with Mayo. This makes them a better team.

Why Portland does this trade: We get our pg of the future without giving up any starters. We let Warrick walk next year when his contract expires and bring Joel Freeland over from Europe to be our 3rd string center.

Both teams are improved, win/win.

Note: Why did KP spend 20 minutes talking to Bayless last night? Could it be that Bayless is unhappy with no playing time. We all know he isn't happy about it. Could he be secretly demanding a trade?

Cash and picks could also be involved in this trade, as needed.

What say you?
 
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if bayless turns into a star and conley a career sub is it still a win/win?
 
Conley, Sergio and Blake would sure make for a crowded PG situation..
 
Hell no!

1. Bayless is a better prospect than Conley.
2. Charmin is a better prospect than Warrick.
 
graybeard said:
No more crowded than it is now. You know that Bayless is just seething over there on the bench.
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Yeah, he probably is. But it still doesn't consolidate any of our talent. And we still don't know what kind of player Jerryd can be. It's tough.. and I'm not really a big fan of Conley's.
 
alex42083 said:
Yeah, he probably is. But it still doesn't consolidate any of our talent. And we still don't know what kind of player Jerryd can be. It's tough.. and I'm not really a big fan of Conley's.
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Point guards don't typically break out until their 3rd year, or later. Conley has the talent and the track record, it's just a matter of time before he breaks out.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Hell no!

1. Bayless is a better prospect than Conley.
2. Charmin is a better prospect than Warrick.
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thats how I see it too. I think Mayo should be at the point. He's PG sized (about the same as JJack) and stated before the draft that he sees the point as his best position in the pros. The Griz just don't have another decent 2 guard as an option so it's Mayo by default.

Outside of Mayo and Gay, I'm not intrigued by the guys on their roster as possible upgrades in Portland.

STOMP
 
graybeard said:
This makes more sense for both teams than the previously mentioned Outlaw & filler for Conley & filler trade rumor.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...95~2794~3417~2754&teams=22~22~29~29&te=&cash=

Portland sends out Channing Frye and J. Bayless

Memphis sends out: Mike Conley and H. Warrick
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I like this deal even less than the rumoured one. I think Bayless is a much, much better talent than Conley Jr. I wasn't very impressed by Conley in college and he certainly hasn't proven me wrong in the NBA yet. I don't think he doesn't anything well by NBA standards. Bayless has the potential to be a very good defender, slasher and shooter at the NBA level. And a decent passer (not great for a point guard, but less important with Roy in the backcourt).
 
I don't like it. At the moment, I think Bayless is a better prospect than Conley.
 
Why would we trade the best two players in the deal. Channing Frye is easily proved more than Warrick and Bayless has much more upside than Conley. Can't this kind of trade die yet?
 
If a trade happens, it must be quantity for quality: Trout, Raef, and Blake for a star PG - perhaps a Rondo or Calderon? I could see Boston going for Trout...

iWatas
 
Iwatas said:
If a trade happens, it must be quantity for quality: Trout, Raef, and Blake for a star PG - perhaps a Rondo or Calderon? I could see Boston going for Trout...

iWatas
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we might get calderon in 2 years when bosh opts out and they blow the team up. until then would take way more than outlaw and blake.
 
I'm thinking that GrayBeard must not really be a Blazer fan or is passively trying to hurt the team with these trades. How can you suggest that this trade provides any value for the Blazers.
 
That, and neither Calderon nor Rondo are acquirable now because one is BYC, and the other is on a rookie contract.

Still, if we want a quality PG, it has to be someone who actually makes a TEAM better. That list is short, and very short if we are talking about younger players (not Nash/Kidd/Davis).

iWatas
 
Calderon? This guy has to be one of the worst defensive PG's in the game. His defense is truly atrocious.

Conley doesn't have the value of an Outlaw yet. But the guy can be a very good backup PG to Bayless (or whomever we tab as our PG of the future). He's a smart player and has the potential to be an above average defender.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Hell no!

1. Bayless is a better prospect than Conley.
2. Charmin is a better prospect than Warrick.
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Bayless might be better then Conley, but Frye is definably not better then Warrick.
 
Frye is a better prospect. He may be soft but he is a very good shooter at 6'11".

Warrick is a 6'8" tweener with a mediocre post game and no jump shot.

So yes, Frye > Warrick.
 
Warrick is a great offensive player, he just doesn't get much playing time because he can't play defense. He was averging 18 and 8 after Gasol was traded.
 
La Bomba said:
Warrick is a great offensive player, he just doesn't get much playing time because he can't play defense. He was averging 18 and 8 after Gasol was traded.
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Meaningless. Good numbers on a truly horrific team.
 
I wouldn't do this deal in 100 years.

Bayless > Conley (now and as a prospect)
Frye > Warrick (now and as a prospect)

I prefer Frye to Warrick (and I'm not a huge fan of Channing). Frye is younger and has a defined position.

Conley is more of a pass-first guard than Bayless, which I tend to favor, but ... ? That's like shining a turd. This deal stinks.

No offense to anyone, of course :)

Ed O.
 
Y'all aren't reading the road signs:

KP reportedly spent twenty minutes talking to Bayless last night. Yeah, I know, they were just talking about the weather. Hell, KP reportedly only spent 15 minutes talking to Sergio a few weeks ago when Sergio's agent was demanding more playing time or a trade. Is there any doubt that Bayless is not happy at all about his playing time? Also note, Bayless' projected skill set is not that much different than Rudy. Bayless is a probably a better pg defender, Rudy has much better floor vision skills. I think if Bayless had any pg skills, Nate would be at least giving him some minutes. I suspect that Bayless has privately asked for a trade.

KP is not a knee jerk kind of guy. He and his scouts create a portfolio on all players that interest him. He was very interested in Conley when we drafted Oden and I doubt that has changed much. KP has said that their evaluations are so thorough that one poor performance or even series won't sway their opinion. Also, KP is smart enough to know that young players need time to develop to reach their potential. Sooo....

We know that KP has had heated talks with Memphis recently. Who do you think they were centered around? Our biggest need is at point guard, Memphis biggest need is PF. Now follow me with this one...

When Martel comes back soon the consensus is that Travis will slide over to be our back up PF. Channing Fry will go to the bench. That makes Channing our 3rd string center and PF, with virtually no minutes. Is he going to be happy with that, hell no. Especially when you consider that we have Joel Freeland better suited for that role with a lot cheaper price tag.... Channing is a gonner folks. He won't sign with us under those circustances. He's better than a 3rd string and would clearly start for Memphis. Warrick is just trade fodder that we would let walk when his contract expires.

Sergio stays the pg of the second team. Conley eventually beats out Blake for the starting job. We have our pg of the future. A real point guard!
 
Fez said:
Meaningless. Good numbers on a truly horrific team.
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It's not meaningless. 18/8 is impressive no matter how bad the team is. The "good numbers on bad team" argument is really overrated because if it was true, than any player should be able to put up big numbers on bad teams right? No, only certain players do, and those players are usually ones who thrive in most any situation. Under that definition, Kevin Durant is worthless, as is Rudy Gay, but I highly doubt you'd say those two players are bad.

Warrick is what he is, a good offensive player, but not a great defensive one, and he's not been able to get good consistent minutes this year, which contributes to his drop in numbers.

When Martel comes back soon the consensus is that Travis will slide over to be our back up PF. Channing Fry will go to the bench. That makes Channing our 3rd string center and PF, with virtually no minutes. Is he going to be happy with that, hell no. Especially when you consider that we have Joel Freeland better suited for that role with a lot cheaper price tag.... Channing is a gonner folks. He won't sign with us under those circustances. He's better than a 3rd string and would clearly start for Memphis. Warrick is just trade fodder that we would let walk when his contract expires.
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What consensus? Has Nate, KP, or anyone even hinted that Frye would be left out in place of Outlaw? They're both playing at about the same level right now imo.

As for Joel Freeland, he's still got a couple of years left on his contract in Europe, and how do you know Freeland is any better than Frye? Just because he's doing well right now doesn't mean he's a perfect fit for the Blazers in a few years.
 
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Yeah, you put Travis in that same role and he's a 20/10 player on that Memphis team.
 
B-Roy said:
It's not meaningless. 18/8 is impressive no matter how bad the team is. The "good numbers on bad team" argument is really overrated because if it was true, than any player should be able to put up big numbers on bad teams right? No, only certain players do, and those players are usually ones who thrive in most any situation. Under that definition, Kevin Durant is worthless, as is Rudy Gay, but I highly doubt you'd say those two players are bad.

Warrick is what he is, a good offensive player, but not a great defensive one, and he's not been able to get good consistent minutes this year, which contributes to his drop in numbers.



What consensus? Has Nate, KP, or anyone even hinted that Frye would be left out in place of Outlaw? They're both playing at about the same level right now imo.

As for Joel Freeland, he's still got a couple of years left on his contract in Europe, and how do you know Freeland is any better than Frye? Just because he's doing well right now doesn't mean he's a perfect fit for the Blazers in a few years.
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I don't think Freeland will be better skill wise than Channing, but better suited for a 3rd stringer big man at a much cheaper price than Frye.
 
Fez said:
Yeah, you put Travis in that same role and he's a 20/10 player on that Memphis team.
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I highly doubt that. For one, Travis isn't a good rebounder. He is when he WANTS to be, but I havn't seen a motivated Outlaw except for a few spurts this year. What makes you think that moving to Memphis team that is unlikely to win many games will change that? He's averaging just 4.4 in 28 mins this year btw.

Secondly, Warrick is mainly a post player, and has a career field goal percentage of 50.1%, whereas Travis's is 44%. This is because Outlaw mainly shoots contested jumpers off the dribble. This is another aspect of his game that simply won't change. This year, Outlaw is hitting only 42% of his shots, and 20 points on 42% shooting isn't that efficient. (Don't even know if Outlaw will get enough shots to score 20, since Mayo and Gay eat up a lot of shots.)
 
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