New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

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So you disagree with the premise of the study referred to in the article Denny posted?

I don't know what you're referring to. Longwave radiation was measured and it didn't match up with radically crafted UN models.

Regardless of the small sample size and his conclusions Svante Arrhenius was the first to demonstrate that adding CO2 to the atmosphere would increase infrared radiation absorbed

Well read the thread, even Denny believes in climate change. Looks like you missed the point.

Yeah sorry, Nasa did a better study with their terra satellite.
 
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I don't know what you're referring to. Longwave radiation was measured and it didn't match up with radically crafted UN models.

OK, we're talking in circle now. Let me explain.

The very first sentence in the abstract says:

The sensitivity of the climate system to an imposed radiative imbalance remains the largest source of uncertainty in projections of future anthropogenic climate change.

The authors the assume that ACC (AKA "anthropogenic climate change", AKA "Global Warming") is real and occurring.

You questioned the validity of the seminal paper on ACC (”On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground”) which this research (and a whole discipline) is based on. (How dare you!?!?!)

You were quick to dismiss the paper and I was pointing out that it is an important milestone in the study of climate change
 
"Uncertainty" is the KEY word in that sentence.
 
I'd say a fart in the wind doesn't contribute to more wind. It's not certain by any stretch that we contribute more than that. Hence "certainty" is the key word.
 
Ok, I'll concede that uncertain projections works.
 
I believe the sun's impact on global climate change dwarfs anything man does.
 
I believe the sun's impact on global climate change dwarfs anything man does.

Well no shit. If we didn't have a sun we wouldn't even have a climate. Hell, we wouldn't even have a we.

You should stick to bashing the Ducks.
 
Well no shit. If we didn't have a sun we wouldn't even have a climate. Hell, we wouldn't even have a we.

You should stick to bashing the Ducks.

Duh. This is precisely the reason why many are accusing global warming theorists and Al Gore as being alarmists. Don't worry though because I will definitely continue to bash the cheating Ducks.
 
Duh. This is precisely the reason why many are accusing global warming theorists and Al Gore as being alarmists. Don't worry though because I will definitely continue to bash the cheating Ducks.

Damn it! This is not how this is suppose to work. I give you a snarky reply and then you're suppose to insult me or some member of my family. We're not going to allow you to post in the OT section if you're not going to follow the rules.
 
A good read on the short comings of Spencer's models

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To help interpret the results, Spencer uses a simple model. But the simple model used by Spencer is too simple (Einstein says that things should be made as simple as possible but not simpler): well this has gone way beyond being too simple (see for instance this post by Barry Bickmore). The model has no realistic ocean, no El Niño, and no hydrological cycle, and it was tuned to give the result it gave. Most of what goes on in the real world of significance that causes the relationship in the paper is ENSO. We have already rebutted Lindzen’s work on exactly this point. The clouds respond to ENSO, not the other way round [see: Trenberth, K. E., J. T. Fasullo, C. O'Dell, and T. Wong, 2010: Relationships between tropical sea surface temperatures and top-of-atmosphere radiation. Geophys. Res. Lett., 37, L03702, doi:10.1029/2009GL042314.] During ENSO there is a major uptake of heat by the ocean during the La Niña phase and the heat is moved around and stored in the ocean in the tropical western Pacific, setting the stage for the next El Niño, as which point it is redistributed across the tropical Pacific. The ocean cools as the atmosphere responds with characteristic El Niño weather patterns forced from the region that influence weather patterns wTEven so, the Spencer interpretation has no merit. The interannual global temperature variations were not radiatively forced, as claimed for the 2000s, and therefore cannot be used to say anything about climate sensitivity. Clouds are not a forcing of the climate system (except for the small portion related to human related aerosol effects, which have a small effect on clouds). Clouds mainly occur because of weather systems (e.g., warm air rises and produces convection, and so on); they do not cause the weather systems. Clouds may provide feedbacks on the weather systems. Spencer has made this error of confounding forcing and feedback before and it leads to a misinterpretation of his results.
 
OK, we're talking in circle now. Let me explain.

The very first sentence in the abstract says:



The authors the assume that ACC (AKA "anthropogenic climate change", AKA "Global Warming") is real and occurring.

You questioned the validity of the seminal paper on ACC (”On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground”) which this research (and a whole discipline) is based on. (How dare you!?!?!)

You were quick to dismiss the paper and I was pointing out that it is an important milestone in the study of climate change

The whole point is NASA is superior, reasonable, and not biased. We're not talking in circles you just choose to ignore magnitude and chronology.

Dude this is the most extensive debate I've ever seen here.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/149891...Time-Out?highlight=Denny+Crane+global+warming

http://sportstwo.com/threads/144292...-warming?highlight=Denny+Crane+global+warming
 
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A good read on the short comings of Spencer's models

Link

I'm a little more slick than that.

Besides, most of the enhanced warming supposedly comes from combined water vapor and cloud feedbacks, which operate on the order of hours to days or weeks – not over years or decades.

Also, I’m not linearising the GHE from 0 to the present. There is a difference between the absolute response and the incremental response, but it is very small – something on the order of 1% and is infinitesimal. The atmosphere is already absorbing about 300 W/m^2 of the 390 W/m^2 emitted from the surface. An increase in absorption of 3.7 W/m^2 from 2xCO2 is 1.2%. 1.1 C x 0.012 = 1.11 C, or about 1/100th of a degree C. Ant crumbs.

You do know that the post albedo S is not a constant, right? It varies all the time with varying cloud coverage and via aphelion/perihelion procession. The cloud portion of the albedo is big part of the control mechanism maintaining the net surface flux of 390 W/m^2. If the climate as a sensitive as you believe, we would be see a much greater increase in temperature when the post albedo S is at it’s maximum amount. Maximum S actually occurs in September closer to aphelion rather than at perihelion in January due to maximum surface reflectivity coinciding with the Northern Hemisphere winter in January.

At the very least, can you tell me where specifically the watts are coming from to cause the 3 C rise? I presume you know that if the surface is to warm by 3 C, it must also emit 406.6 W/m^2 (+16.6 W/m^2) and Conservation of Energy dictates that the +16.6 W/m^2 flux into the surface has to be coming from somewhere, right?

Comment by RW — 1 Aug 2011 @ 6:37 PM

The critique stems back to the fact that they are using different computer models. From "measured" CO2 changes in those brief time periods.
 
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