New US church leader says homosexuality no sin

[BrewCityBuck]

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle....&src=rss&rpc=22"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender. Good to see some people aren't ignorant/discriminant.

 

[regularguy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 19 2006, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle....&src=rss&rpc=22"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender. Good to see some people aren't ignorant/discriminant.</div>and here's another thing that WE SHOULD LEARN FROM WHAT SHE SAYS,<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said."The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded."</div>

 

[Justice]

I wonder where it says that in the Bible. :closedeyes:

 

[BrewCityBuck]

So true Regularguy...the gay guy that I work with is just like anyone else I know...and to say he's going to hell is just ridiculous considering thats the way he's been his whole life.

 

[Waqas]

Alrite, if two of the same gender are in love, where is the reproduction?In Islam, being homosexual isn't a "gift," it's a test. We all will have tests throughout our lives. If we're doing well, will we praise Allah or not? What about when we're in a negative time in life?Homosexuality is simply a test. It is definitely controllable. Just don't think about it.

 

[BigMo763]

I really don't think homosexuality really has anything to do with religion... plain and simple. Alright, if people are complaining that God didn't intend mankind to be homosexual, and that this is in the Bible or whatever, a hell of a lot of people today don't follow what's in the Bible anyway, as regularguy pointed out.If somebody is homosexual, just let them carry on with their life. They are no different than anybody else.

 

[Hang Eleven]

Romans 1:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly...Obviously, this lady hasn't ready the Bible.It can't get any more clear than that.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ Jun 20 2006, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alrite, if two of the same gender are in love, where is the reproduction?In Islam, being homosexual isn't a "gift," it's a test. We all will have tests throughout our lives. If we're doing well, will we praise Allah or not? What about when we're in a negative time in life?Homosexuality is simply a test. It is definitely controllable. Just don't think about it.</div> If two people are gay and in love, where is the reproduction? Why does god make millions of Americans unable to reproduce because of reproductive problems? Being gay is a test? I'm sorry but being born attracted to the same sex is not a test, it's how your brain works. God are half of you stuck in the 1800's? My lord.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yozo @ Jun 20 2006, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Romans 1:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly...Obviously, this lady hasn't ready the Bible.It can't get any more clear than that.</div> Obviously she has read the bible considering she's one of the world leaders in her religion and she doesn't believe that it's right to discriminate against gods children.

 

[Justice]

Yozo is right. I do not think you should be "discriminatory," but it's pretty clear what the Bible says. If you have a different opinion, then you certainly should not back up your beliefs with the Bible, a book that obviously disagrees with you.

 

[Devlin]

The bible was the most boring book ever, I preferred harry Potter...But really, the bible tells us that it is wrong to be gay, yet we are told to respect and love each other no matter what. I think Jesus was like the George Bush of Nazareth

 

[7Goat]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Young Cus @ Jun 21 2006, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The bible was the most boring book ever, I preferred harry Potter...But really, the bible tells us that it is wrong to be gay, yet we are told to respect and love each other no matter what. I think Jesus was like the George Bush of Nazareth</div>Wow... your reasoning is out of wack. Homosexuals are sinners based on the Bible, but does that mean you have to hate them? No. You don't do anything about it, because although you hate what is bad you dont hate people doing bad. Love thy neighbor. But at the same time you hate sin. We are inperfect and we do sin, so do we hurt/abuse ourselves? No.It wasnt put in the way I wanted it to say, but I hope you get the picture. It's not contradictory

 

[Devlin]

If sinning is so wrong then why doesn't god stop it, don't give my none of that free choice BS, why doesn't he stop poverty, rape etc etc.Hes made up like Harry Potter, except harry potter is much morwe believeble

 

[KMart?]

I just thought the Bible said it was wrong? Now a church leader says it is OK? You know what, F*ck these religious leaders. The Pope helps his friends rape kids. This guy is going against something the bible says. Religious leaders instructed people to bomb the two towers during 9/11.It's really pissing me off, always has

 

[7Goat]

Religions are getting so desperate at making it more appealing, trying to make it fit to whatever a person wants. This is proof. They put it on TV so you dont even have to leave your home, like c'mon.No one should try to change religion, it is what it is, and if you don't liek it, than suit yourself and face any concequances of the truth

 

[Devlin]

This could and would go on forever, where did God come from, what is it made of ? what was there before god ?etc...I do not believe in god btw,

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Young Cus @ Jun 27 2006, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This could and would go on forever, where did God come from, what is it made of ? what was there before god ?etc...I do not believe in god btw,</div>How does that relate to the topic at all?

 

[Devlin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 27 2006, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How does that relate to the topic at all?</div>Sorry I was just ranting on, but anyway, I had a point, but its gone now.

 

[valo35]

Let me say that if guys want to get with other guys, i'm all for it, that's more women for me in this world and i like the thought of that. The thing i don't like is twisting what the bible says to explain what you do. The Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin, so don't say that it's not a sin in the bible, that's just forming the bible to fit you. On the other side though, there are alot of blatant sins that people do like cheating on their wives, lying, coveting and alot of other stuff. And then these Bible thumpers turn around after cheating on their wives or something and say that "well your homesexual, so your not a christian." To me a sins a sin, there is not really one sin worse than the other, so who is he to tell the homesexual that he/she is doing wrong and not a christian, when this dude just cheated on his wife or lied to someone.

 

[Devlin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jun 28 2006, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let me say that if guys want to get with other guys, i'm all for it, that's more women for me in this world and i like the thought of that. The thing i don't like is twisting what the bible says to explain what you do. The Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin, so don't say that it's not a sin in the bible, that's just forming the bible to fit you. On the other side though, there are alot of blatant sins that people do like cheating on their wives, lying, coveting and alot of other stuff. And then these Bible thumpers turn around after cheating on their wives or something and say that "well your homesexual, so your not a christian." To me a sins a sin, there is not really one sin worse than the other, so who is he to tell the homesexual that he/she is doing wrong and not a christian, when this dude just cheated on his wife or lied to someone.</div>A lot of good valid points man, each sin is equally as bad as the other...

 

[7Goat]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jun 28 2006, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let me say that if guys want to get with other guys, i'm all for it, that's more women for me in this world and i like the thought of that. The thing i don't like is twisting what the bible says to explain what you do. The Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin, so don't say that it's not a sin in the bible, that's just forming the bible to fit you. On the other side though, there are alot of blatant sins that people do like cheating on their wives, lying, coveting and alot of other stuff. And then these Bible thumpers turn around after cheating on their wives or something and say that "well your homesexual, so your not a christian." To me a sins a sin, there is not really one sin worse than the other, so who is he to tell the homesexual that he/she is doing wrong and not a christian, when this dude just cheated on his wife or lied to someone.</div>Valid points, but sin is inevitable. It's how you deal with it. Repentance is the key... if you consiously keep sinning then are you really a Cristian?

 

[SirLaker]

well i dont think you will go to hell for being gay but that doesnt mean i approve of homosexuality,i know someone by where i live and hes my friend were cool and all but the fact that he is a fag is disturbing i think its just disgusting

 

[BrewCityBuck]

When will gay haters just grow up? My lord.

 

[JustBlaze]

f*cking stupid, it says it's a sin in the Bible so who the F*ck cares what this whore thinks.

 

[Something-To-Say]

Few things: Jesus helped whores, if you help whores today like Eddie Murphy(hah) you get crucified, so why the hell should we listen to Jesus?Do we base sins on the bible? They never said the f word in the bible, why do we consider that bad?What if Adam and Eve went homo after they had kids? Then it would be considered bad to be hetero. It's how you're raised partially.I have no problem with people being gay, as long as they don't do that in public. But I'm the same with hetero, I don't want nobody humping nobody in public or whatever.Why are people afraid of gay people exactly?

 

[Hang Eleven]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Do we base sins on the bible? They never said the f word in the bible, why do we consider that bad?</div>You are aware that it has a bad meaning?

 

[ballachick]

Yes, like everyone else said, it says it's a sin in the Bible so it is. And if you're going to twist the truth of the Bible to fit you're needs, then you're not being a faithful follower.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Valid points, but sin is inevitable. It's how you deal with it. Repentance is the key... if you consiously keep sinning then are you really a Cristian?</div>Forgiveness is not a liscense to sin. If you keep on sinning because you know you'll be forgiven, then you're not truly sorry that you've done what you've done.

 

[Hang Eleven]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Forgiveness is not a liscense to sin. If you keep on sinning because you know you'll be forgiven, then you're not truly sorry that you've done what you've done.</div>Which is why you don't give forgiveness until someone has truly repented, not done a fake sorry.

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Jul 15 2006, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Few things: Jesus helped whores, if you help whores today like Eddie Murphy(hah) you get crucified, so why the hell should we listen to Jesus?Do we base sins on the bible? They never said the f word in the bible, why do we consider that bad?</div>What exactly is bad about "helping" whores? It's not like Jesus handed out condoms to them...Well, first of all, the Bible wasn't written in English. It was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, so it's not even really possible for the author to include the word unless he or she writes in a different language. Also, the word didn't exist when the Bible was written. But in regards to the actual argument, the Bible says vulgar language is sinful, so it's pretty easy to see how someone could figure out that the F word is sinful. On the other hand, the Bible is even more specific about homosexuality. There's nothing in the Bible that even sounds like homosexuality isn't a sin. So that's why it's awfully strange when a religious leader tries to stretch a few comments in the Bible to make it seem like the Bible actually promotes homosexuality. It doesn't.

 

[Something-To-Say]

what passage says "To be gay is not okay."?

 

[Justice]

[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='117440' date='Jul 17 2006, 04:21 PM']what passage says "To be gay is not okay."?[/quote]

1 Corinthians 6:9-119Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Seems pretty direct to me.