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Only they did know. The FBI knew and so did DHS.

The Republicans won't budge on mental health.

There were signs. This could've been prevented.
 
dviss1 said:
Only they did know. The FBI knew and so did DHS.

The Republicans won't budge on mental health.

There were signs. This could've been prevented.
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Did you read the article? Seems like they did everything you would want a family to do, gave him structure, got him back in school, a job, counseling, regular meal times, supervision, was teaching him basic life skills. The one key to the gun safe seems rather naive but based off the information provided in the article that seems like their only mistake, which obviously was a big one.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Did you read the article? Seems like they did everything you would want a family to do, gave him structure, got him back in school, a job, counseling, regular meal times, supervision, was teaching him basic life skills. The one key to the gun safe seems rather naive but based off the information provided in the article that seems like their only mistake, which obviously was a big one.
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Yes. But there are things that aren't in that story.

He literally told the feds and DHS he wanted to buy a gun.
 
I can't even find the one I was looking for because YouTube is filled with crazy neighbor videos.

These people are everywhere.

 
What I'm curious about is Cruz was brought into a White Nationalist Militia by one of their members and was given at least one gun by the militia. If the father in this article is the militia member then that is a huge problem.
 
dviss1 said:
Only they did know. The FBI knew and so did DHS.

The Republicans won't budge on mental health.

There were signs. This could've been prevented.
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Dems are the ones who failed for 8 years of being in power. They have never even proposed additional, comprehensive mental healthcare for Americans.
 
MARIS61 said:
Dems are the ones who failed for 8 years of being in power. They have never even proposed additional, comprehensive mental healthcare for Americans.
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It makes them feel better when a devastated mother screams at Trump on tv.
 
Why does it have to be only one way to fight this? I am against hiring security to patrol schools but I say we need to fix this problem. Hire more security if we think that will work. But let’s address the gun and mental health issues as well. We need to protect kids at whatever the cost.

Mental health has to be addressed better in relation to guns and society in general. I agree you can’t lock up someone like this Cruz, before the shooting, because of what they are saying but let’s look at a longer waiting period on getting guns. Background checks on their social media. I am ok with people who are spewing hatred not being able to buy guns.

Most people I have talked to about assault rifles give the same answer for why they want them...because they are fun. We need to make it harder to obtain these if not outright ban them. And yes people who will do the right thing will be inconvieneced but if it saves kids lives then it’s worth it.

Ultimately I think everyone is right there is no one way to make things right. It will take a lot of effort, cooperation and sacrifice by everyone to end this.
 
As a kid I lived on a 300 acre dairy farm...family run..I had to go through a several week long daily training course with extensive testing to get an agricultural drivers license so I could drive a combine from the fields to the graineries or barns when I was in Jr High School....it was not an easy test....you needed to prove you could back up 5 tons trailers of alfalfa with a few inches to spare into a barn...you'd think it would be harder to qualify to use guns and be allowed to purchase large amounts of ammo. I can go buy a gun today without going through weeks of training to qualify....just sayin'
 
MarAzul said:
Yeah, the Constitution is only ass wipe at best.
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Who says we can’t amend the constitution. Also we don’t allow felons to have guns...do you think felons should be able to purchase? What about people with mental health issues?
 
Cruz is not the last of the kind out there.
We must eliminate these Killing Zones for them to easily do their evil. Arm the school personnel, and add security, make it too risky to try. It is not the fear of death that will deter some, but the lack of probable success will. The lack of probable success and the fear of dealth will deter most
evil doers, perhaps they would even seek help instead.
 
South East said:
Who says we can’t amend the constitution.
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Oh! By all mean, make your proposal! Use of the amendment process is long over looked. I would love to read a cogent proposed amendment.
Who knows? It may even gain support. Simple laws will not due though.
 
MarAzul said:
Cruz is not the last of the kind out there.
We must eliminate these Killing Zones for them to easily do their evil. Arm the school personnel, and add security, make it too risky to try. It is not the fear of death that will deter some, but the lack of probable success will. The lack of probable success and the fear of dealth will deter most
evil doers, perhaps they would even seek help instead.
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So there is one way and only one way to stop this? That seems short sighted and limiting. There needs to be a lot of changes to stop this problem. If you take away the weapons and the “killing zones” that’s a great start. Mix in some mental health reform and I think this can all but be eliminated.
 
The first response in here was somebody making it about politics. Then somebody else blaming democrats then back to republicans. Will you guys ever learn? Sandy hook was under obama. This shooting is under trump. Both times nothing ever happened regarding AR’s or anything else. So there you go, both parties are guilty.

I find this story interesting. They didn’t seem to have issues with him, other people seemed to though. The kids at the school would joke about him shooting up a school. His Instagram before taken down was full of tip offs, killing frogs and shit, posting pics of guns. He seemed off, maybe he’s kinda slow? Just going off what people know about him and his texts to his brothers before the shooting. He doesn’t seem all there, kinda detached. You could relate that to a lot of things, mental illness. Obviously he was troubled if the fbi knew about him. There is more to this I feel like or more to be uncovered.
 
South East said:
So there is one way and only one way to stop this?
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>>> Well, I did not say this. I did give my suggestion on a way I think will work.

South East said:
If you take away the weapons and the “killing zones” that’s a great start.
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>>> Great! We can eliminate the Killing Zones quickly. Write your representatives today. Post Haste!
>>> Eliminating the Weapons will take much more. But I would love to see your amendment.

South East said:
Mix in some mental health reform and I think this can all but be eliminated.
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>>> Go for it! Write your representative today. But damn! Even if successful here, that will not be a quick fix, in some cases, never fixed.
I can not see leaving the children herded into the Killing Zone to be pray for the evil doers that can not be fixed soon or never be fixed.
 
MarAzul said:
Cruz is not the last of the kind out there.
We must eliminate these Killing Zones for them to easily do their evil. Arm the school personnel, and add security, make it too risky to try. It is not the fear of death that will deter some, but the lack of probable success will. The lack of probable success and the fear of dealth will deter most
evil doers, perhaps they would even seek help instead.
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I'm not sure you realize what a gun free zone is. They're not killing zones and it doesn't mean that security personal and law enforcement can't have weapons inside of them.

Prisons are a gun free zone yet the guards still have them. The Moda center is a gun free zone yet the police that are there during events all still have their guns.
 
MarAzul said:
Yeah, the Constitution is only ass wipe at best.
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You mean the Constitution that originally had black people as 3/5ths a person and women couldn't vote? I agree, that is ass wipe material.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'm not sure you realize what a gun free zone is. They're not killing zones and it doesn't mean that security personal and law enforcement can't have weapons inside of them.

Prisons are a gun free zone yet the guards still have them. The Moda center is a gun free zone yet the police that are there during events all still have their guns.
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Guns are smuggled in prisons all the time.

Guns have been made, by prisoners, in prisons.
 
MarAzul said:
uh oh! Now we will approve organizations?
Would you bann him for this transgression?
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"A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

How about some regulations for the militias. That's permissible under the constitution.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'm not sure you realize what a gun free zone is.
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>>> :tongue: It amuses me greatly how often you question what this ancient mariner knows.

SlyPokerDog said:
They're not killing zones and it doesn't mean that security personal and law enforcement can't have weapons inside of them.
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SlyPokerDog said:
They're not killing zones
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>>>>>>> The one's I am concerned with certainly are. The one's where the children are being massacred unimpeded.
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SlyPokerDog said:
it doesn't mean that security personal and law enforcement can't have weapons inside of them.
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>>>>>>>> Right! But they are not there. That is why they are Killing Zones. School personnel can't carry either even with a conceal carry permit. The must have a special authorization and that can not be obtain in a lot of places.
SlyPokerDog said:
Prisons are a gun free zone yet the guards still have them.
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>>>> Thus the Prisons are not Killing zones. No one with the most troubled mind thinks of going to a prison to commit evil or even mayhem.

SlyPokerDog said:
The Moda center is a gun free zone yet the police that are there during events all still have their guns.
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>>>> I am sure you see the pattern here, the Moda center is not a Killing zone! Can't you fill in the Why? I am sure you can.
 
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