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calvin natt said:
I don’t get it. Someone explain.
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I'm guessing these things hold back blacks and latinos from graduating. Kind of like eliminating standardized tests, which are totally racist.

Next up: eliminating credit scores, which are also racist. Just like the Ninja loans of the early 2000s.

The path to Idiocracy.
 
When you’re born the government should just give every person $10M. That’s it. Good luck. Turn it into $0 or $100m. Go to school, or don’t. We don’t care. Work, or don’t. Just here is your money. Everyone given same chance financially. No excuses. Of course your parents might be crack heads so that hurts but at least you’ve got some money.
 
calvin natt said:
When you’re born the government should just give every person $10M. That’s it. Good luck. Turn it into $0 or $100m. Go to school, or don’t. We don’t care. Work, or don’t. Just here is your money. Everyone given same chance financially. No excuses. Of course your parents might be crack heads so that hurts but at least you’ve got some money.
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The government doesn’t actually have any money to hand out without a working population to tax to death. They don’t, nor have they ever, created any goods or services to fund their own endeavors. It’s literally never happened. All taxes.
 
jonnyboy said:
The government doesn’t actually have any money to hand out without a working population to tax to death. They don’t, nor have they ever, created any goods or services to fund their own endeavors. It’s literally never happened. All taxes.
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Government is a service that we fund. We don't want them generating huge profits.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We should be charging more for the rights to drill on public land.
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No, honestly we don't want that to be a profitable venture for the government. Honestly that just needs to be illegal.

Time to start turning our plastic waste back into oil for lubricant until we extract it back out of the ocean.
 
Ending proficiency testing isn't saying students don't need to know how to read. Teachers were able to judge whether students could read long before mania for standardized proficiency tested.
 
crandc said:
Ending proficiency testing isn't saying students don't need to know how to read. Teachers were able to judge whether students could read long before mania for standardized proficiency tested.
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But that makes a far less inflammatory headline.
 
I taught myself to read before I started school. I am very good at math. Never took proficiency test. Only ones who had trouble recognizing I am good at reading and math were some MCPs who insisted women can't do math even though I got better grades than they did.
 
Grade School, Middle School, and High School were all critical to my ability to read and comprehend and for my ability to understand mathematics. Standardized testing most assuredly is important for universities to identify potential students who qualify for their programs.
 
calvin natt said:
It seems like instead of removing tests, I dunno, maybe do a better job teaching all kids, everywhere, regardless of income or location. Fix the actual problem, not the tests.
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The problem is the parents who are not involved. Teachers can only do so much. If parents don't make kids do any work at home, don't make kids go to school or are not involved, it is kind of hard to schools to get kids to do any work. Even in elementary school, there is a high percentage of kids who don't do anything. another issue is the no child left behind and all inclusive. Teachers cannot remove trouble kids from their rooms, the rest of the kids just have to deal. My wife is a teacher, she had a child who would just start screaming, she would have to take the rest of the kids out of the classroom. There are so many issues involved, it is not just the teachers not doing their job.
 
twobullz said:
The problem is the parents who are not involved. Teachers can only do so much. If parents don't make kids do any work at home, don't make kids go to school or are not involved, it is kind of hard to schools to get kids to do any work. Even in elementary school, there is a high percentage of kids who don't do anything. another issue is the no child left behind and all inclusive. Teachers cannot remove trouble kids from their rooms, the rest of the kids just have to deal. My wife is a teacher, she had a child who would just start screaming, she would have to take the rest of the kids out of the classroom. There are so many issues involved, it is not just the teachers not doing their job.
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All true. But we need to be able to teach enough between 8-3 that kids can pass math, English proficiency tests. I’m not saying everyone goes to Stanford. Just have got to do better with our education. The solution cannot be “kids aren’t passing these tests so let’s stop giving them”. It’s literally dingbat Trump saying “stop testing Covid and we don’t have the virus”
 
calvin natt said:
All true. But we need to be able to teach enough between 8-3 that kids can pass math, English proficiency tests. I’m not saying everyone goes to Stanford. Just have got to do better with our education. The solution cannot be “kids aren’t passing these tests so let’s stop giving them”. It’s literally dingbat Trump saying “stop testing Covid and we don’t have the virus”
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It still goes back to the parents. The teachers and schools can only do so much. As the old saying goes, " you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink." When I was a kid failing led to consequences, mainly at home. Now the schools can't even remove a kid from the classroom, much less anything else. To many parents see school as just daycare and are not involved in anyway with their kids. They have no idea what grades their kids are getting, or even if they are doing homework . Then the end of the term comes, the kids fails and the parents get mad and blame the teachers and school, when in reality, the parents are the ones failing their kids.
 
Proficiency tests aren't the same thing as proficiency. Of course education should be as good as possible, but if the tests are deemed poor at actually assessing proficiency, they should be removed (and better ones should be designed). Getting rid of those tests doesn't change whether the education is good enough or not.
 
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