Politics North and South Korea vow 'no more war', agree to 'complete denuclearisation' of peninsula

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Reading a few articles about this and there are many "ifs" surrounding it. Kim Jong un is out of food, fuel and money.....his people are hungry. South Korea is all about making lots of money....they need each other and maybe finally our troops can get the hell out of there
 
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All politics aside, it’s a win for everyone. If it turns out Trump played a role or helps cement this into a real denuclearization I’ll applaud him.
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agreed, this might be the one area that he made some progress. However I am not willing to give him too much credit yet. I think Kim Jong Un has wanted more outside credibility and has been working towards this since he took power. Also their nuke test site is now unstable and unusable.
 
Are we in the Twilight Zone?
 
Oh, Un just needs more food and supplies for North Korea then he will back out.
 
donkiez said:
agreed, this might be the one area that he made some progress. However I am not willing to give him too much credit yet. I think Kim Jong Un has wanted more outside credibility and has been working towards this since he took power. Also their nuke test site is now unstable and unusable.
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Trump appears to be a very minor player in this as they haven't even met yet and if the sanctions are working then maybe trump should take not and start implementing those sanctions that were announced but not implemented on Russia. Oh, that's right, he's in bed with their leader and Putin is pissing all over him. If I was South Korea I would be very cautious as North Koreas ultimate plan could be to get the USA out of there and and to take over all of Korea.
 
CupWizier said:
Trump appears to be a very minor player in this as they haven't even met yet and if the sanctions are working then maybe trump should take not and start implementing those sanctions that were announced but not implemented on Russia. Oh, that's right, he's in bed with their leader and Putin is pissing all over him. If I was South Korea I would be very cautious as North Koreas ultimate plan could be to get the USA out of there and and to take over all of Korea.
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Russia and NK are two very different situations. Also I doubt the international community would allow a take over of South Korea, that would be suicide for Kim or the start of WW3 as China, Russia, Japan and the USA would all take sides. I guarantee China doesnt want that kind of action right next to their boarders. Kind of far fetch imo. I really feel like Kim's intentions are to be a legitimate part of the rest of the world. Im sure his ego loves all the praise he is receiving right now, and he has to be jealous of SK's economy. I think Kims biggest problem so far has been consolidating power so he can do what he wants, and moving forward his biggest problem will be retaining power as his people are slowly introduced to what they have been missing.

The credit I give Trump on NK is that he is not following traditional foreign affairs with them. It might be just dumb luck on his part but if Trump doesnt agree to meet with Kim then there is a good chance none of this other stuff happens. Other than that I agree he (we) have been minor players so far.
 
I think between Trump and China has convinced him for the sake of his dynasty he better denuclearize. At the same time, I think he has always figured he would do so with an understanding he can profit big time by opening up commerce with the South and remaining in power. Good for all involved, imo.
I know one thing, no way in hell Bush, Obama or Clinton's would be able to gain the Chinese respect enough to help engineer this kind of happening...They certainly had their shot and produced zero.
 
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I'll wait to celebrate until I see who is actually giving up what and when.

barfo
 
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All politics aside, it’s a win for everyone. If it turns out Trump played a role or helps cement this into a real denuclearization I’ll applaud him.
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With his enormous ego, he will find words that fit his occasion.
 
donkiez said:
agreed, this might be the one area that he made some progress. However I am not willing to give him too much credit yet. I think Kim Jong Un has wanted more outside credibility and has been working towards this since he took power. Also their nuke test site is now unstable and unusable.
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The Korean President is... :dunno:
South Korean President Moon Jae-in must keep up a delicate balancing act between two unpredictable leaders: the one with nukes in the North, and the one in Washington who leads his country's closest ally. SEOUL —

But Moon — newer in office even than President Trump — appears to be managing that feat. This week, he has ushered in the first positive news related to North Korea in years, responding to an overture from Kim Jong Un and, on Wednesday, very diplomatically giving much of the credit to Trump.

"I give President Trump huge credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks, and I'd like to thank him for that," Moon said at a news conference in Seoul.
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The Korean Foreign Minister is... :dunno:
South Korea's foreign minister has said she believes President Donald Trump is largely responsible for bringing North Korean leader Kim Jong-un to the negotiating table.

Speaking ahead of Friday's historic summit between the leaders of North and South Korea, Kang Kyung-wha told CNN that the US President had played a significant role in bringing the two sides together.
"Clearly, credit goes to President Trump," Kang told CNN's Christiane Amanpour in Seoul. "He's been determined to come to grips with this from day one."
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First, I hope this is real. BUT, this is how NK has behaved in the past.

NK has been given large amounts of food in the past agreements. The free food was given to the 5% of the population that controls their country. Then the military personnel were feed. NONE of the food was given to the poor starving people living in the country, many still starved to death. Any food that was left over from feeding the privileged was sold on the black market, and the money was kept by corrupt officials.

NK has the largest submarine fleet in the world. They have more submarines than the USA. This fact bothers me as much as their nuclear program. But few people appear to be aware of it, let alone make it an issue in the negotiations. NK could easily sell some of their submarines in exchange for food.

I do not trust NK to keep any of their promises. NK is the most corrupt country in the world.
 
Kim just got ICBM capabilities. There is no way he is giving up his weapons. Let's be real. It's a ploy.
 
oldfisherman said:
NK has the largest submarine fleet in the world. They have more submarines than the USA. This fact bothers me as much as their nuclear program. But few people appear to be aware of it, let alone make it an issue in the negotiations. NK could easily sell some of their submarines in exchange for food.
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Incorrect. What they have are diesel-powered scrap metal from the wars of my youth, mostly bought from countries who upgraded decades ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_ships_of_the_Korean_People's_Navy#Submarine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines_in_the_United_States_Navy#Composition_of_the_current_force
 
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