Not the worst Deadline

[Scalma]

Here’s why;

1. Got under the tax. No one cares about Allen’s pocketbook, but this was important for numerous reasons, but for me the biggest is it now allows Portland to offer the non tax paying MLE (we may still have a little to clear before FA, not sure) and in the expected market, the difference is substantial. Yeah yeah Portland can’t sign free agents, but I’d expect them to pursue someone like Will Barton, and there’s a good chance they land him if they do imo.

2. No DeAndre Jordan. I’ve talked enough about how I was against it. This most likely also means they’re committed to developing Nurkic, who they should get at a bargain rate anyway.

The only downside to me is we’ve now given up two young players for essentially nothing, but that’s the consequence for the disastrous summer of ‘16.

And no we haven’t added any on court improvements either, but there was no one out there that would’ve made a huge difference anyway.

So while it’s not the deadline most of us wanted, it’s not as bleak as some may make it seem.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0753334665271581820-4

Agreed, this is somewhat the bright-side to look at it. Most teams DO have to give up a first to get out of the financial hole so at least we avoided that. But you could also say we got into it ourselves so that is on us.

 

[tester551]

Here’s why;

1. Got under the tax. No one cares about Allen’s pocketbook, but this was important for numerous reasons, but for me the biggest is it now allows Portland to offer the non tax paying MLE, and in the expected market, the difference is substantial. Yeah yeah Portland can’t sign free agents, but I’d expect them to pursue someone like Will Barton, and there’s a good chance they land him if they do imo.

2. No DeAndre Jordan. I’ve talked enough about how I was against it. This most likely also means they’re committed to developing Nurkic, who they should get at a bargain rate anyway.

The only downside to me is we’ve now given up two young players for essentially nothing, but that’s the consequence for the disastrous summer of ‘16.

And no we haven’t added any on court improvements either, but there was no one out there that would’ve made a huge difference anyway.

So while it’s not the deadline most of us wanted, it’s not as bleak as some may make it seem.

technically they can offer the regular MLE, but it will hard cap the Blazers and would make it impossible to re-sign all our FA.

There's no way that is going to happen. The most we'll be able to spend is the tax MLE

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Scalma]

technically they can offer the regular MLE, but it will hard cap the Blazers and would make it impossible to re-sign all our FA.

There's no way that is going to happen. The most we'll be able to spend is the tax MLE

Yeah I noticed that, but couldn’t they just clear the necessary salary before free agency?

 

[Pinwheel1]

The only downside to me is we’ve now given up two young players for essentially nothing, but that’s the consequence for the disastrous summer of ‘16.

Who is the other young player we had to move? Crabbe?
I thought he was part of the disastrous summer of 16'? We lose him regardless if we don't match.

Either way I agree with you. The right move was to trade someone for zero or little money coming back.
We all said Noah had the most value to move in order to accomplish that.

 

[Scalma]

This also means Davis probably stays long term. I’m happy about that.

 

[Scalma]

Who is the other young player we had to move? Crabbe?
I thought he was part of the disastrous summer of 16'? We lose him regardless if we don't match.

Either way I agree with you. The right move was to trade someone for zero or little money coming back.
We all said Noah had the most value to move in order to accomplish that.

Yeah Crabbe but I didn’t really include him in that disastrous summer. I wanted to keep him, despite his salary. But let’s not make this another Crabbe thread lol.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

technically they can offer the regular MLE, but it will hard cap the Blazers and would make it impossible to re-sign all our FA.

There's no way that is going to happen. The most we'll be able to spend is the tax MLE

There's also this season, during the upcoming buyout market. Spotrac has their current salary obligations post-Vonleh-deal at 118,763,344, and CBA FAQ has the apron at 125,266,000. So theoretically if Neil wanted to sign one of the guys who is expected to be bought out in the next couple days, he could offer a deal starting at any amount up to 6.5M this year.

Not that I necessarily think there's going to be anyone made available that would be worth that kind of a deal, but it is something to pay attention to.

 

[Scalma]

There's also this season, during the upcoming buyout market. Spotrac has their current salary obligations post-Vonleh-deal at 118,763,344, and CBA FAQ has the apron at 125,266,000. So theoretically if Neil wanted to sign one of the guys who is expected to be bought out in the next couple days, he could offer a deal starting at any amount up to 6.5M this year.

Not that I necessarily think there's going to be anyone made available that would be worth that kind of a deal, but it is something to pay attention to.

Hmm. Joe Johnson?

 

[ripcityboy]

I know somebody else we don't deserve....

 

[Strenuus]

I have a really hard time caring about billionaires saving money. No spin is going to change that.

 

[Scalma]

I have a really hard time caring about billionaires saving money. No spin is going to change that.

What's the spin? A non tax MLE most likely gets you an impact player. A tax paying MLE might get you a Hezonja.

 

[Strenuus]

What's the spin? A non tax MLE most likely gets you an impact player. A tax paying MLE might get you a Hezonja.

Good for them? It was to save Allen money. Neil doesn't make moves to help the team, and if he does - it's secondary and almost an "oopsie"

 

[Scalma]

Good for them? It was to save Allen money. Neil doesn't make moves to help the team, and if he does - it's secondary and almost an "oopsie"

Yeah ok.

 

[Strenuus]

Yeah ok.

I know, it's scary that I'm right.

 

[illmatic99]

technically they can offer the regular MLE, but it will hard cap the Blazers and would make it impossible to re-sign all our FA.

There's no way that is going to happen. The most we'll be able to spend is the tax MLE

And as @BrianFromWA pointed out, we won't have the non-taxpayer MLE unless we get below the apron, for which we would need to shed even more salary.

This is a move to save PA $. Nothing else.

 

[Pinwheel1]

And as @BrianFromWA pointed out, we won't have the non-taxpayer MLE unless we get below the apron, for which we would need to shed even more salary.

This is a move to save PA $. Nothing else.

OK so what is the downside of being a repeat offender? Because next summer I see us being over it. Isn't there some penalty for being in it 3 years in a row? And when does our trade exemption expire for Crabbe. And when does the year end. Can we end up under the luxury cap this July 1st (For this current year) and then use the TPE in July to go back over?

 

[Driew]

Wait did NO really say that or did you? lol

 

[Scalma]

There's also this season, during the upcoming buyout market. Spotrac has their current salary obligations post-Vonleh-deal at 118,763,344, and CBA FAQ has the apron at 125,266,000. So theoretically if Neil wanted to sign one of the guys who is expected to be bought out in the next couple days, he could offer a deal starting at any amount up to 6.5M this year.

Not that I necessarily think there's going to be anyone made available that would be worth that kind of a deal, but it is something to pay attention to.

Question about this; would signing someone for the rest of the season affect the tax?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Question about this; would signing someone for the rest of the season affect the tax?

Oh, absolutely. And I'd be shocked if they did sign someone, because even a vet min deal would put them back in the tax.

 

[tester551]

Oh, absolutely. And I'd be shocked if they did sign someone, because even a vet min deal would put them back in the tax.

Tax level is at $119.2M, and I think we are approximately $0.5M below that. Portland could probably sign 2 rookie FA to minimum contracts (out of the G-League) without going into the tax.

Baldwin IV will likely be signed for the remainder of the year. MAYBE one more FA... More likely is we'll sign someone else to a 2-way contract to replace Baldwin IV.

 

[Scalma]

Tax level is at $119.2M, and I think we are approximately $0.5M below that. Portland could probably sign 2 rookie FA to minimum contracts (out of the G-League) without going into the tax.

Baldwin IV will likely be signed for the remainder of the year. MAYBE one more FA... More likely is we'll sign someone else to a 2-way contract to replace Baldwin IV.

Cliff Alexander!

 

[KingSpeed]

I still don't understand why people say Neil doesn't make moves. He turned RHJ and Steve Blake into Nurkic/Collins/Connaughton. He's a fucking genius.

 

[andalusian]

I still don't understand why people say Neil doesn't make moves. He turned RHJ and Steve Blake into Nurkic/Collins/Connaughton. He's a fucking genius.

Do you need a Mod help to change your name to KingSunshine?

 

[tykendo]

Hmm. Joe Johnson?

That would surely meet a need

 

[Nikolokolus]

I still don't understand why people say Neil doesn't make moves. He turned RHJ and Steve Blake into Nurkic/Collins/Connaughton. He's a fucking genius.

 

[tykendo]

Hopefully the Blazers can breath a sigh of relief, and get back to drainin' shots, and having fun. "rip city" baby.

 

[Blazers Roy]

At least we still got CJ so i still can watch 2 entertaining players each night.

 

[craigehlo]

This also means Davis probably stays long term. I’m happy about that.

I only want Davis back on a cheap deal. We've been down this road too often of overvaluing our scrubs.