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Lanny

Lanny

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I haven't heard a word from even Maris defending him.

Hey, I heard a good joke the other day:
If Trump were to suddenly disappear, I know of no Republicans who would look for him.
But I know of many prosecutors who would look for him.
 
BlazerWookee said:
If there was any hope of a rational discussion, there would be discussion.
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There have been years of rational discussions....problem isn't the discussion, it's the topic of discussion....there's simply no integrity in the subject matter....respect would require unconditional trust. Lies and coverups sort of took honesty out of the conversation...being led by a serial liar is why we are stuck in the muck today politically. Bully's who insult as their form of power have not earned the reasonable doubt card....it's simple...Trump is and was a horrible example for our nation and further polarized our legislative branch to the point of insurrection.
I don't care what party one registers for.....a large segment of republicans have propped up a liar and refused to hold traitors accountable. It's going to require closure around the Jan 6th attack on democracy for the nation to work together ever again...fact is racists feel more empowered now than they have since the Civil Rights demonstrations of the 60s...fuck Trump and the culture that sucks up to him
 
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I hate threads like this though.....I’m just fine not reading all the bullshit that was getting tossed around the last 5 years. Let it go.
 
riverman said:
There have been years of rational discussions....problem isn't the discussion, it's the topic of discussion....there's simply no integrity in the subject matter....respect would require unconditional trust. Lies and coverups sort of took honesty out of the conversation...being led by a serial liar is why we are stuck in the muck today politically. Bully's who insult as their form of power have not earned the reasonable doubt card....it's simple...Trump is and was a horrible example for our nation and further polarized our legislative branch to the point of insurrection.
I don't care what party one registers for.....a large segment of republicans have propped up a liar and refused to hold traitors accountable. It's going to require closure around the Jan 6th attack on democracy for the nation to work together ever again...fact is racists feel more empowered now than they have since the Civil Rights demonstrations of the 60s...fuck Trump and the culture that sucks up to him
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Case in point.
 
If you dont agree that the topic is a sleezball human then there is no discussion to be had.

yeah. Pretty much nailed the case in point....
 
Nothing exists that he needs to be defended against.

He's been proven right on the Harvard/Wuhan Bioweapons Lab, the Russian Hoax, Iran, the Economy, The Wall, The Bill of Rights, Law Enforcement, No New Wars, and it's pretty obvious by now the Fake Election.
 
MARIS61 said:
Nothing exists that he needs to be defended against.
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In that case he should fire all his lawyers and defend himself.....he is indicted in criminal investigations right this moment in Manhattan ....for being a crook basically....a real estate tax evading crook. Inciting a riot and witness tampering
 
THE HCP said:
I hate threads like this though.....I’m just fine not reading all the bullshit that was getting tossed around the last 5 years. Let it go.
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Let it go and have it get repeated in the future?
 
MARIS61 said:
Nothing exists that he needs to be defended against.

He's been proven right on the Harvard/Wuhan Bioweapons Lab, the Russian Hoax, Iran, the Economy, The Wall, The Bill of Rights, Law Enforcement, No New Wars, and it's pretty obvious by now the Fake Election.
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NOTHING has been proven about the Covid-19 virus and the Wuhan lab.
If it was a bio weapon then why did Trump and the far Right Republicans say it was weak and not much more than a common cold?
No new wars. You must be talking about outside the United States and not about Yemen and almost Iran.
 
julius said:
The Republicans are already stacking the deck to help them win the next battle. It's impressive how much they are afraid of people actually voting.


scuse me
non whites voting I mean
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Excellent post.
 
At various times I have heard evangelical Christians say the bible, by which they mean the Christian bible, is every word true, even when it contradicts itself. And cite the bible as "proof". They can never comprehend the logical fallacy of saying the bible is true because the bible says so. Logic is not a strong point of true believers.

And now often very same people say Trump is always right, even when he contradicts himself, because Trump says so.
 
At various times I have heard evangelical Christians say the bible, by which they mean the Christian bible, is every word true, even when it contradicts itself. And cite the bible as "proof". They can never comprehend the logical fallacy of saying the bible is true because the bible says so. Logic is not a strong point of true believers.

And now often very same people say Trump is always right, even when he contradicts himself, because Trump says so.
 
crandc said:
At various times I have heard evangelical Christians say the bible, by which they mean the Christian bible, is every word true, even when it contradicts itself. And cite the bible as "proof". They can never comprehend the logical fallacy of saying the bible is true because the bible says so. Logic is not a strong point of true believers.

And now often very same people say Trump is always right, even when he contradicts himself, because Trump says so.
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Most religions believe they are right or righteous. One of my beefs with religion in general, is its a way justify anything perceived as wrong.
 
Hoopguru said:
Most religions believe they are right or righteous. One of my beefs with religion in general, is its a way justify anything perceived as wrong.
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It's one thing to believe your religion is righteous. Quite another to say only your religion is righteous. And that everyone must live by your religion or be killed.
 
Lanny said:
I haven't heard a word from even Maris defending him.

Hey, I heard a good joke the other day:
If Trump were to suddenly disappear, I know of no Republicans who would look for him.
But I know of many prosecutors who would look for him.
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MARIS61 said:
Nothing exists that he needs to be defended against.

He's been proven right on the Harvard/Wuhan Bioweapons Lab, the Russian Hoax, Iran, the Economy, The Wall, The Bill of Rights, Law Enforcement, No New Wars, and it's pretty obvious by now the Fake Election.
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This is the problem, people can't even agree on facts. The information that is being consumed by both sides is different and tailored for specific audiences, this means there literally cannot be a discussion as both sides don't even agree on the facts of an event. It's entirely unbelievable, but this is the world we live in these days. Unfortunately this is exactly what Putin in particular wants and it is hastening our decline as a super power in the world, we're too busy arguing with each other while Xi Jin Ping and Putin move on with their larger agenda. I am not quite old enough to remember Regan's presidency as I was born in '84, but the cold war warriors must be rolling in their graves seeing the US get outmaneuvered like this by our old foe. Hopefully as China in particular continues to grow in power we'll find a common enemy again and stop arguing and attacking each other and focus on what's the larger more important danger, and which will allow us to begin to focus on our commonalities more than our perceived differences.
 
China is our most dangerous enemy, always has been.
Russia is a competitive ally of ours, always has been.
 
MARIS61 said:
China is our most dangerous enemy, always has been.
Russia is a competitive ally of ours, always has been.
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Ah yes, I remember our great Russian ally and how we got along so swimmingly between 1945 and 1989 in particular. Can you provide evidence that Russia is our current ally? Vladimir Putin is no friend, and has no intention of being friends with the US. Putting aside ones political allegiances, to not see Russia as an inherently dangerous rival is a serious danger to our national security. If you don't see this because the wool has been pulled over your eyes, then Putin has had even more success than even I had realized.
 
Our American congress is our greatest enemy. They are currently helping China to become wealthier by allowing our billionaires to move American manufacturing jobs to China, to turn around and sell cheap crap back to Americans.

It is a great con job. But a hell of a boon to China.
 
Road Ratt said:
Our American congress is our greatest enemy. They are currently helping China to become wealthier by allowing our billionaires to move American manufacturing jobs to China, to turn around and sell cheap crap back to Americans.

It is a great con job. But a hell of a boon to China.
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It's easy to understand why you would come to that conclusion, but the reality is this is a problem that has been long in the making and has complicated and difficult ramifications for any path forward. Nixon actually had a long term strategy and approach to China that had a pretty convincing argument at the time, they honestly believed that opening the country up would create more internal pressures on their political system to begin democratizing. Obviously that didn't happen, and it's been pretty clear for generations now that this theory and approach to China didn't and wasn't working anymore. We have needed a new approach to China for at least 10 years, but we've lost focus on what is important and have gotten bogged down in pointless wars in the middle east for far too long.

The problem is there are a lot of folks who believe that any market intervention is anathema to capitalism even if it is obvious there are long term consequences to doing nothing. Capitalism really only works when the playing field is even and everyone is working with the same set of rules and expectations. The obvious problem to everyone is that in the last 30 years China has not been working in good faith to abide by those common rules, and manipulates its currency, and its economy to take full advantage of America and American businesses for their own interests.

We need a new strategy and a competent foreign policy that has a long term vision for how to compete with and mitigate Chinese influence well into the future, China has plans going out to at least 2050 - what is ours? One of the few things I agreed with Trump on was that China was the major threat on a geo political level, and that we need to confront them, and now. The longer we wait, the stronger they get, and the harder it is going to be to leverage what we can to exert any influence over them and to get them to agree to real long term concessions such as copyright and trademark protections. So far I am not impressed with Biden's approach to China, but in his defense he does have a lot on his plate right now.
 
crandc said:
At various times I have heard evangelical Christians say the bible, by which they mean the Christian bible, is every word true, even when it contradicts itself. And cite the bible as "proof". They can never comprehend the logical fallacy of saying the bible is true because the bible says so. Logic is not a strong point of true believers.

And now often very same people say Trump is always right, even when he contradicts himself, because Trump says so.
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The Bible is a book...or a collection of books. Written by men. It's not wrong or right. It's mostly a lot of parables. There are some good messages. There are some cool stories. It's not all historically verifiable. But, there is a lot to take from it.

I too find it interesting that Christians treat it like it was all written By God himself. It's a history written by men who are fallible.

I find it interesting too that Trump is treated much the same way. Everything he says and does is true even if evidence proves otherwise.
 
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