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...will Obama now get started on getting us jobs and filling our gas tanks?
 
We already won the war on terror, remember?

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AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
no attacks on american soil since 9/11
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And?

There were no attacks on American soil for plenty of spans of time throughout modern history. I'm more interested in pursuing real terrorists and not getting involved in tribal battles in Iraq.

I'm ecstatic that Obama is finally focusing on the real breeding ground in the mountains of Afganistan rather than throwing money down the toilet in Iraq.

-Pop
 
I meant him closing CIA prisons and Gitmo. I'm glad he made sure the terrorists are happy before anything else.
 
Obama is interrupting his reading of his own Executive Orders to ask Greg Craig, one of his lawyers, what he it is he is reading???

WTF is going on?
 
PapaG said:
...will Obama now get started on getting us jobs and filling our gas tanks?
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I stopped paying my mortgage because one of his supporters told me I don't have to worry about it now.
 
SodaPopinski said:
We already won the war on terror, remember?

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That was the end of major military operations against the Baathists. He defined it one way, and was right. The whackjobs on the left defined it another way and won the PR battle. Those are the only battles the left seems to be interested in fighting.
 
SodaPopinski said:
And?

There were no attacks on American soil for plenty of spans of time throughout modern history. I'm more interested in pursuing real terrorists and not getting involved in tribal battles in Iraq.

I'm ecstatic that Obama is finally focusing on the real breeding ground in the mountains of Afganistan rather than throwing money down the toilet in Iraq.

-Pop
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Which is why 18 of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia?
 
President Obama asking Greg Craig what "his" Executive Order means. lol

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Under Bush, EOs = power grab

Under Obama, EOs = good for America

Our media amazes me.
 
PapaG said:
Under Bush, EOs = power grab

Under Obama, EOs = good for America

Our media amazes me.
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Obama's EO's are correcting Bush's mistakes. Republicans amaze me.
 
Guantanamo was a stain on this countries honor. If we committ acts just as bad as the terrorist themselves, we are no better then they are. We lost a lot of clout around the world with Guantanamo, clout we need with other countries to gain co-operation in stopping terrorist organizations. When you get to the point that countries refuse to extradite criminals to the US for fear they will be sent to Guantanamo, it causes a much bigger problem, because then we can't even get a chance to talk to them to glean information, because we can't get them here in the first place. So basically you have poisoned your own well.
 
maxiep said:
Which is why 18 of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia?
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So if 18 Canadians join a Mexico-based organization bent on overthrowing the American government, trained in Mexico, took orders from leadership in Mexico, and recruited others to their cause in Mexico, you're telling me you'd go to Canada to address the problem?

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PapaG said:
Under Bush, EOs = power grab

Under Obama, EOs = good for America

Our media amazes me.
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If the executive order is used to grab power, it tends to be seen as more of a power grab than when the executive order is not used to grab power.

Obama didn't increase the power of the executive branch by closing a prison. If Obama uses executive orders to end-run around the established checks and balances, he should be blasted just as much as Bush was.

Bush's belief that a war-time President has basically unlimited license was very much of a piece with Nixon's claim that if the President does something, it's not illegal. A personal concept of what the Presidency is that was completely unsubstantiated by law. Bush was blamed for using executive orders to give him those powers that he felt he should have. If Obama does the same, he will be just as culpable.

So, it is not merely the exercise of executive orders that is wrong. Executive orders have been used many times throughout history, by Republicans and Democrats alike. Bush used more executive orders than all other Presidents before him combined, and used them as a loophole in the concept of checks and balances and limits on executive branch power. So, there was a difference in how Bush used executive orders and how other US Presidents have. It wasn't just a media conspiracy against Bush.
 
Minstrel said:
If the executive order is used to grab power, it tends to be seen as more of a power grab than when the executive order is not used to grab power.

Obama didn't increase the power of the executive branch by closing a prison. If Obama uses executive orders to end-run around the established checks and balances, he should be blasted just as much as Bush was.

Bush's belief that a war-time President has basically unlimited license was very much of a piece with Nixon's claim that if the President does something, it's not illegal. A personal concept of what the Presidency is that was completely unsubstantiated by law. Bush was blamed for using executive orders to give him those powers that he felt he should have. If Obama does the same, he will be just as culpable.

So, it is not merely the exercise of executive orders that is wrong. Executive orders have been used many times throughout history, by Republicans and Democrats alike. Bush used more executive orders than all other Presidents before him combined, and used them as a loophole in the concept of checks and balances and limits on executive branch power. So, there was a difference in how Bush used executive orders and how other US Presidents have. It wasn't just a media conspiracy against Bush.
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So you basically agree with my premise. Thanks for the lengthy response. Some interesting talking points you inserted. The media trained you well.
 
PapaG said:
So you basically agree with my premise.
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Well, my point was that the difference between the media's coverage of Bush's use of executive orders and Obama's use of executive orders is based on how the executive orders are used, not who used them.

If you agree with that, then yes, we are basically in agreement.
 
Minstrel said:
Well, my point was that the difference between the media's coverage of Bush's use of executive orders and Obama's use of executive orders is based on how the executive orders are used, not who used them.

If you agree with that, then yes, we are basically in agreement.
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You are placing value on how the EO is used, I am merely mentioning the EOs and how they have been reported on by the media.

Not that big a deal to me, though. Bush was a moderate by the end of his term, and look where it got us.
 
PapaG said:
You are placing value on how the EO is used, I am merely mentioning the EOs and how they have been reported on by the media.
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Yes, but how they are used affects the media coverage, which should be the case. A use of power isn't an inherent good or bad. It is how that power is exercised that matters. If you feel a power is being used abusively, you will probably be more critical than if you think the same power is being used appropriately.

We can leave to other debates whether Bush was or wasn't abusive in his use of executive orders. I just don't think it is "amazing" (or inappropriate, though you may not have meant that) that Obama's use of the executive order in this instance didn't draw the same media reaction that Bush's use of them did.
 
hasoos said:
Guantanamo was a stain on this countries honor. If we committ acts just as bad as the terrorist themselves, we are no better then they are. We lost a lot of clout around the world with Guantanamo, clout we need with other countries to gain co-operation in stopping terrorist organizations. When you get to the point that countries refuse to extradite criminals to the US for fear they will be sent to Guantanamo, it causes a much bigger problem, because then we can't even get a chance to talk to them to glean information, because we can't get them here in the first place. So basically you have poisoned your own well.
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You let me know when we videotaped the beheading of a terrorist with a dull knife.

We are better. However, sometimes you have to get your hands dirty. Of course, we could just kill them all rather than detain them.
 
SodaPopinski said:
So if 18 Canadians join a Mexico-based organization bent on overthrowing the American government, trained in Mexico, took orders from leadership in Mexico, and recruited others to their cause in Mexico, you're telling me you'd go to Canada to address the problem?

-Pop
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Saudi Wahhabism is the problem. Where do you think the money comes from?
 
HAAK72 said:
...that trivial fact means nothing :dunno:
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It's hardly trivial. Do you think they just stopped trying? It's a remarkable achievement that I hope President Obama's Administration duplicates.
 
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