Obama: The Affirmative Action President

[BLAZER PROPHET]

ABM sent me this article. Interesting read: Obama: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/obama_the_affirmative_action_president.html

 

[Bob Dobalina]

Interesting article. Basically it says he won the presidency simply because he was black, because he really had no qualifications otherwise. I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with this premise. However I have often wondered if a couple of other factors were not huge in his favor. First one being that his run followed the Bush era. Which left a lot of people, ummm, unhappy I guess. Combine that with the fact that the republican candidate was John McCain and I think this is really what landed Obama in the white house. It’s just my own theory and I barely follow politics.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think they both came into play. Not necessarily a "black" thing, but there were a lot of white guilt in play...."I voted for Obama" became the new "I have black friends". I think it was a lot of fluffy marketing. but those types were going to vote for the democrat or republican anyway.

Overall, I think as many people voted for obama because he was black versus people who didn't vote for him because he was black...basically the racists cancelled each other out.

 

[barfo]

ABM sent me this article. Interesting read: Obama: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/obama_the_affirmative_action_president.html

And you wonder why people assume you are a rabid right-winger? It's because you post shit like this.

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

It seems pretty obvious to me.

Hilary and Obama were very similar in a lot of the issues, and the votes were very evenly split when you remove the black vote. Now look at the black vote, and it was something like 97% of black voters voted for Obama in the southern states.

Good luck if you want to argue that race wasn't an issue.

 

[ABM]

And you wonder why people assume you are a rabid right-winger? It's because you post shit like this.

barfo

Uhm, it's not BP. It's never BP.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I think race was a small issue, but it was more that the "hope and change" message resonated with many who didn't want any Republican (for fear of continuance of Bush policies), and that Obama didn't have any skeletons to harp on except for inexperience.

>80% of people who identify with "black" as their race vote D every single election. Yeah, they voted 95-4 for Obama, but they voted 90-9 for Gore in 2000, 88-11 for Kerry in 2004, 84-12-4 for Clinton in 96, 83-10-7 for Clinton in 92, 89-11 for Dukakis in 88, 91-9 for Mondale (for goodness' sakes!), 83-14 for Carter in 80, 83-17 for Carter in 76. You might be able to say that more black voters turned out (from 10% in the 1996-2004 elections to 13% in 2008), but imho it wasn't b/c of the black vote that he won. It'll probably be that the black vote is ~90-95% for D no matter how bad his policies are, if he had an affair, if he cured cancer, if he dropped a nuke on someone. IMO, it's the low-income earners he appealed to, and how he was elected. 18% of the electorate was from people making <30k/yr, and Obama carried 67% of them. Historically D's carry about 53-55% of that group.

 

[ABM]

Interesting article. Basically it says he won the presidency simply because he was black, because he really had no qualifications otherwise. I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with this premise. However I have often wondered if a couple of other factors were not huge in his favor. First one being that his run followed the Bush era. Which left a lot of people, ummm, unhappy I guess. Combine that with the fact that the republican candidate was John McCain and I think this is really what landed Obama in the white house. It’s just my own theory and I barely follow politics.

Probably no too far from the truth, BD.

 

[Shooter]

Obama's election is a kind of miracle . . . He had never done anything consequential in his entire life, had never run a business, a town, a state, or a government of any kind, but was nevertheless elected president because he could make an eloquent speech. He is the closest thing to the Manchurian Candidate that we have ever seen.

 

[blazerboy30]

I think race was a small issue, but it was more that the "hope and change" message resonated with many who didn't want any Republican (for fear of continuance of Bush policies), and that Obama didn't have any skeletons to harp on except for inexperience.

>80% of people who identify with "black" as their race vote D every single election. Yeah, they voted 95-4 for Obama, but they voted 90-9 for Gore in 2000, 88-11 for Kerry in 2004, 84-12-4 for Clinton in 96, 83-10-7 for Clinton in 92, 89-11 for Dukakis in 88, 91-9 for Mondale (for goodness' sakes!), 83-14 for Carter in 80, 83-17 for Carter in 76. You might be able to say that more black voters turned out (from 10% in the 1996-2004 elections to 13% in 2008), but imho it wasn't b/c of the black vote that he won. It'll probably be that the black vote is ~90-95% for D no matter how bad his policies are, if he had an affair, if he cured cancer, if he dropped a nuke on someone. IMO, it's the low-income earners he appealed to, and how he was elected. 18% of the electorate was from people making <30k/yr, and Obama carried 67% of them.

I think you're overlooking the more important issue of the Dem primaries, and how Obama was able to defeat Clinton.

 

[BrianFromWA]

So you're saying that only on the D side, the racists/affirmative action folks won out to allow Obama to beat Hillary in the primaries? B/c if Hillary would've won the nomination she'd probably be president today. At least, the black vote would've been ~90-10.

 

[blazerboy30]

So you're saying that only on the D side, the racists/affirmative action folks won out to allow Obama to beat Hillary in the primaries? B/c if Hillary would've won the nomination she'd probably be president today. At least, the black vote would've been ~90-10.

Yes. In the primaries, Obama received an excessively skewed black vote that has never shown up before. I don't think it is just a coincidence that ~98% of black voters agreed with Obama's policies over Clinton's policies. Their policies were not different enough to explain the 98% of black voters in favor of Obama.

Once Obama won the primaries, he didn't have an advantage that other Dems haven't had in the general election... as you posted. But he may not have had the chance to be in that position if it weren't for the skewed primary votes.

 

[PapaG]

Interesting article. Basically it says he won the presidency simply because he was black, because he really had no qualifications otherwise. I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with this premise. However I have often wondered if a couple of other factors were not huge in his favor. First one being that his run followed the Bush era. Which left a lot of people, ummm, unhappy I guess. Combine that with the fact that the republican candidate was John McCain and I think this is really what landed Obama in the white house. It’s just my own theory and I barely follow politics.

Obama won because McCain was an even worse option at the time. The GOP would have been better served to dust the mothballs off of Bob Dole and run him in 2008.

Hillary would have won as well, so I don't think race is why he won. I do think it is why he won the Dem primaries, though, and I also think race is why the Dems can't run a primary challenger against him, either, like they did with Ted Kennedy against the more competent (by comparison) Jimmy Carter in 1980.

 

[barfo]

I also think race is why the Dems can't run a primary challenger against him, either, like they did with Ted Kennedy against the more competent (by comparison) Jimmy Carter in 1980.

There are other black democrats, one of them could certainly run, and that would neutralize any racial advantage Obama has.
I suspect the only reason no one is running against Obama is that no one thinks they can beat him.

barfo

 

[mook]

I voted for Obama over Hillary in the primary mostly because he wasn't a Clinton. Sure, it was nice and all that he was black. But after Dubya I was pretty burned out on dynastic presidents. And although I didn't have a lot of hope for change in the negativity of political discourse, I realized Hillary was much more repugnant to the right than Obama. So I thought maybe Obama could be more of a uniter than she would likely be. And I think I was right on that point. As nasty as Obama's first term has been for everybody, it would've been much worse with Hillary as president.

Hillary had more appeal among women, Obama had more appeal among the young. Both are huge demographics for Democrats, and in the end I think it was just the young winning out.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

you do know that "young" is the buzzword the press uses when talking about black youths committing crimes?

such as a group of "young people" doing a flash mob robbery.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Interesting article. Basically it says he won the presidency simply because he was black, because he really had no qualifications otherwise. I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with this premise. However I have often wondered if a couple of other factors were not huge in his favor. First one being that his run followed the Bush era. Which left a lot of people, ummm, unhappy I guess. Combine that with the fact that the republican candidate was John McCain and I think this is really what landed Obama in the white house. It’s just my own theory and I barely follow politics.

I pretty much agree. Add to it he's a dynamic speaker and won over many people. He ran a great race.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

And you wonder why people assume you are a rabid right-winger? It's because you post shit like this.

barfo

Whoa! What slithered into your panties this morning? I just thought it was interesting. I still do. No apologies. BTW, take your meds.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think you're overlooking the more important issue of the Dem primaries, and how Obama was able to defeat Clinton.

I felt if Clinton hadn't gone negative she still would have won the dem nomination.

 

[barfo]

Whoa! What slithered into your panties this morning? I just thought it was interesting. I still do. No apologies. BTW, take your meds.

I think you misinterpreted the tone of my comment. I'm not bent out of shape, just trying to be helpful . You posted, within the last 24 hours, that people were making incorrect assumptions about your politics. I was explaining why: you post rabid right-wing rants like this one, but you never ever post rabid left-wing rants. It's no surprise that people assume that you agree with what you post.

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think you misinterpreted the tone of my comment. I'm not bent out of shape, just trying to be helpful . You posted, within the last 24 hours, that people were making incorrect assumptions about your politics. I was explaining why: you post rabid right-wing rants like this one, but you never ever post rabid left-wing rants. It's no surprise that people assume that you agree with what you post.

barfo

Oh.

My mistake.

I do apologize.