Oden v. Bynum: are we going to be surprised?

[Reep]

From what I can tell, Bynum's draft numbers weren't released, but there is a reference here.

If this is true

Bynum was 1" taller (7' bare foot v. 6'11" bare foot)
Bynum had 2" larger wing span (7'6" v. 7'4")
Bynum jumped 3" higher on the run, 1" higher on the standing vert (37/33 v. 34/32).
Oden may or may not have a 1" advantage in standing reach

I always pictured Oden as bigger, but that doesn't appear to be the case. I would guess that Oden is more athletic, but the vert numbers don't show that. Oden is likely more laterally quick, but there is no evidence of that. Were Oden's camp numbers low for some reason?

I wouldn't mind Oden being between Howard and Bynum, but I never thought of Bynum as being bigger.

 

[Tortimer]

Bynum is a big guy. I wasn't that impressed with Bynum until last year. I have to admit that last year before he got injured he play very well. I still wouldn't trade Oden for Bynum even if they both were never injured again. I think Oden is going to be better especially defensively. I think it is a good Bynum and Oden are close to the same age and playing in the western conference. They should have some great battles if both can stay healthy. I can't wait and IMO Oden will be more dominate but time will tell. I can't wait for the first pre-season game against Sac and see how this team plays. The Blazers fans have some much to be excited about Oden, Rudy, Bayless and seeing how they fit with LMA and the rest of the team. If they can play good without Roy I think that we will really be something special when he gets back playing.

 

[NOBODY]

Bynum is bigger than Greg. It will be interesting to see who is actually stronger though. Or even when push comes to shove who has that extra grit.

 

[Reep]

You take Greg Oden, I'll take Andrew Bynum and we'll find out, maybe, whether the Western Conference will provide us with a new millennium version of Russell-Chamberlain over the next 15 years or so. Tall order, right? Fine. Then let's just hope it's not a decade and a half of some regurgitated, pulse-deadening Erick Dampier-Adonal Foyle showdown.

CNNSI

 

[Tortimer]

I think there size difference is so close it doesn't matter that much. Both are bigger then Howard and I think he will hold his own against both at least the next couple years. I think Oden is the stronger of the two but we will have to see. Something to watch close on opening night. I think Bynum will have a little advantage on opening night because he has more experience but I still think Oden will hold his own or even out play him.

 

[THE HCP]

Bynum will be one of three centers in the league that he just can't "outmuscle". He is quicker then him in my opinion.

 

[julius]

Kevin Willis was stronger than Shaq...but Shaq ate him up (at least, I think he did..I don't recall).

 

[Reep]

Kevin Willis was stronger than Shaq...but Shaq ate him up (at least, I think he did..I don't recall).

Yeah, but Willis had a 5'11" wing span--seriously. And Willis had big arms, but didn't have a lot of strength in his legs.

I have got to find tickets to the first game.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hopefully Oden makes Bynum his little bitch.

My goals for game 1

1. Oden get's his 5th foul by slamming Kobes' head into the floor
2. Oden get's suspended for a game when he punches that little bitch Lamar Odom after Odon undercuts Roy
3. Aldridge once again outplays Gasol
4. Bayless calls the entire Laker team bitches when he nails the game winning free throw after an and 1 when he dunks on Bynum

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Hopefully Oden makes Bynum his little bitch.

My goals for game 1

1. Oden get's his 5th foul by slamming Kobes' head into the floor
2. Oden get's suspended for a game when he punches that little bitch Lamar Odom after Odon undercuts Roy
3. Aldridge once again outplays Gasol
4. Bayless calls the entire Laker team bitches when he nails the game winning free throw after an and 1 when he dunks on Bynum

Welcome MM!

 

[Ed O]

Bynum's a big dude. I think it's reasonable, though, to believe that the numbers he's reporting (and note: he's giving his own measurements) just might be a bit inflated. What would he have to lose by fudging an inch or two here and there?

Ed O.

 

[DaRizzle]

I approve this thread of fear!

Can you see the light? Can you see it!!!

 

[Reep]

I approve this thread of fear!

Can you see the light? Can you see it!!!

Somehow, I thought you would like this one.


My prediction, however, is that most of the Blazer/L@ker games this season will be determined by the play of the 1 and 3-spots, not the centers. I think Bynum/Oden, Kobe/Roy and Pau/LMA will cancel out and the outcome will be determined by Webster/Odom or Bayless/???--who plays PG for you guys? I forgot.

 

[DaRizzle]

really did you? Fisher backed up by Farmar...for now

 

[DaRizzle]

My prediction, however, is that most of the Blazer/L@ker games this season will be determined by the play of the 1 and 3-spots, not the centers. I think Bynum/Oden, Kobe/Roy and Pau/LMA will cancel out and the outcome will be determined by Webster/Odom or Bayless/???--who plays PG for you guys? I forgot.

So you think Fisher and Odom/Ariza will be the difference makers on the Laker when facing POR...no no no no no my friend

 

[Minstrel]

I approve this thread of fear!

Can you see the light? Can you see it!!!

Gheorghe Mureşan was bigger than Shaq, Olajuwon and Robinson. Which, as we all know, meant Mureşan was better. Talent has no importance.

 

[Reep]

Fisher backed up by Farmar...for now

Oh, I guess that is why I forgot.


I can't tease you too much on this. Last year's combination of Blake/Jack wasn't exactly the most memorable PG combo in the league. Hopefully Blake steps up his game and Bayless becomes the ultimate answer at PG.

 

[DaRizzle]

Yes because all we have seen of Bynum is size...He wasnt taking the league by storm or anything right before his injury

 

[Minstrel]

He wasnt taking the league by storm or anything right before his injury

Correct. He wasn't. If 13 PPG is "taking the league by storm," then LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy were destroying the league utterly.

 

[DaRizzle]

How about you look at his game log and take into consideration that Kwame was the starter for the beginning of the season...look from Dec til he was hurt

Bynum Game log link

This was with him getting minimal touches
Leading the league in FG% doesnt hurt either

 

[Reep]

So you think Fisher and Odom/Ariza will be the difference makers on the Laker when facing POR...no no no no no my friend

No, I think their counterparts will make the difference.

Last year:

Game 1: Farmar makes the difference with 21 pts on 8/10 shooting
Game 2: difference makers are Jack 21 pts on 7/10 and Outlaw 18 on 9/15
Game 3: Kobe getst the win with 36, but without Roy, Webster and Outlaw get 23 each
Game 4: Frye steps in for 22 and 11 reb, with Jack going for 15.

It is given that Kobe is going to get his 30 or so points, but history shows the win depends on how the roll players step up.

 

[DaRizzle]

Well I guess if you just assume Kobe is gonna get his then I guess you have a point

 

[Minstrel]

How about you look at his game log and take into consideration that Kwame was the starter for the beginning of the season...look from Dec til he was hurt

Make the sample small enough and everyone looks like a superstar. There was a 1 game sample when Tony Delk was taking the league by storm (scored 40-something points).

Also, my comment about Mureşan wasn't meant to indicate that Bynum has no talent, like Mureşan. It was to point out that the big difference in talent (Oden considered one of the most talented center prospects ever, Bynum simply one of the most talented prospects from his draft class) makes the slight difference in size pretty irrelevant. Size doesn't determine who dominates; talent does.

Size helps, but Oden has plenty of it.

 

[maxiep]

How about you look at his game log and take into consideration that Kwame was the starter for the beginning of the season...look from Dec til he was hurt

Bynum Game log link

This was with him getting minimal touches
Leading the league in FG% doesnt hurt either

How about you look at Channing Frye's game long and take into consideration that LaMarcus was the starter for the beginning of the season...look from April til the end of the season

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3934/gamelog;_ylt=AvNp54uJcsMoL2l0b8Qk18WkvLYF

 

[STOMP]

From what I can tell, Bynum's draft numbers weren't released, but there is a reference here.

If this is true

Bynum was 1" taller (7' bare foot v. 6'11" bare foot)
Bynum had 2" larger wing span (7'6" v. 7'4")
Bynum jumped 3" higher on the run, 1" higher on the standing vert (37/33 v. 34/32).
Oden may or may not have a 1" advantage in standing reach

I always pictured Oden as bigger, but that doesn't appear to be the case. I would guess that Oden is more athletic, but the vert numbers don't show that. Oden is likely more laterally quick, but there is no evidence of that. Were Oden's camp numbers low for some reason?

I wouldn't mind Oden being between Howard and Bynum, but I never thought of Bynum as being bigger.

Bynum seems a little bit bigger then Greg, but in no way has he seemed as explosive let alone moreso. I really doubt those vert numbers... any idea when/where they were supposed to have been posted or is it just his unsubstantiated claims?

STOMP

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Bynum seems a little bit bigger then Greg, but in no way has he seemed as explosive. I really doubt those vert numbers... any idea when/where they were supposed to have been posted?

STOMP

I agree I think anyone who has seen Greg and Bynum play would say Greg is the better athlete. Regardless I'm glad Greg will have someone to compete with hopefully it makes both of them better. In the end we'll get our 5-6 championships and the Lakers might get their 1 or 2

 

[Reep]

Bynum seems a little bit bigger then Greg, but in no way has he seemed as explosive let alone moreso. I really doubt those vert numbers... any idea when/where they were supposed to have been posted or is it just his unsubstantiated claims?

STOMP

Bynum supplied his numbers, but Greg's also seem a little low compared to the hops he showed in Summer league.

 

[DaRizzle]

All I know is, is that the reality of these two will start Oct 28th...get your excuses ready

 

[DaRizzle]

Maxiep an Minstrel...this was the first time Bynum was given a real chance...He played none or sporadic minutes until this year...I think you both know that and are just trying to put a negative spin since its a Lakers player

 

[maxiep]

Maxiep an Minstrel...this was the first time Bynum was given a real chance...He played none or sporadic minutes until this year...I think you both know that and are just trying to put a negative spin since its a Lakers player

Nope. Just trying to show that any player who gets minutes can do well. It's especially true when they haven't been focused on. Bynum didn't stick around long enough to have defenses key on him. He started doing well and before teams could adjust, he was injured.