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Welcome to the quarterly: Let's make a long thread of "God exists". Have at it and remember that our DNA is not much different than a Banana and that's BANANAS!!!! B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

So lets talk about having the ability to be omnipresent...

If we could solve the "Quantum Entanglement" problem.

Could that create a debate that the "God" ability could be a reality?

and if that is a reality, then the concept of God, could only mean that we aren't advanced enough to see that this may not be "supernatural" after all.

DISCUSS....
 
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SlyPokerDog again.
 
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I don't know what all this bananas bullshit is but I am starting to get irritated by it.
 
magnifier661 said:
Are you saying we are not alone, because we exist in other "habitual" planets throughout the universe?

Or maybe you are into derailing threads...
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Habitual is the drug habit you have. Habitable is the planet earth.
 
magnifier661 said:
If we could solve the "Quantum Entanglement" problem.

Could that create a debate that the "God" ability could be a reality?

and if that is a reality, then the concept of God, could only mean that we aren't advanced enough to see that this may not be "supernatural" after all.

DISCUSS....
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Quantum entanglement is actually pretty simple. Sometimes matter is created from photons colliding. But this matter must have a net gain of zero for charge, and spin (a weird thing not really like rotation but it can be up or down). This also means there must always be two particles created from photons, never just one. So basically what this says is, you must make a "+" and a "-" ("+1" + "-1" = 0). So let's say I am going to create two particles and I send one to the moon and one stays here with you and me Mags. But we cover them up first and hide them and we don't know which is which. Then after a little time, we get to open the one here with you and I. Well it turns out it's a "+" therefore you and I know that other one is a "-". That's basically all it says. If I change this + to a -, the one on the moon, sadly, does not change as well.

Omnipresence is not possible. The end.
 
Eastoff said:
Quantum entanglement is actually pretty simple. Sometimes matter is created from photons colliding. But this matter must have a net gain of zero for charge, and spin (a weird thing not really like rotation but it can be up or down). This also means there must always be two particles created from photons, never just one. So basically what this says is, you must make a "+" and a "-" ("+1" + "-1" = 0). So let's say I am going to create two particles and I send one to the moon and one stays here with you and me Mags. But we cover them up first and hide them and we don't know which is which. Then after a little time, we get to open the one here with you and I. Well it turns out it's a "+" therefore you and I know that other one is a "-". That's basically all it says. If I change this + to a -, the one on the moon, sadly, does not change as well.

Omnipresence is not possible. The end.
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So there is an evil me?
 
magnifier661 said:
Don't lie! Super friends are historical documents! There is an anti superman!
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He was called Bizarro superman, or just Bizarro. There was also Star Trek with the evil universe Spock. Do you have a goatee?!

Long story short, omnipresence is still not possible. You have better luck looking at electron clouds or probability density. Those are pretty cool!
 
magnifier661 said:
Welcome to the quarterly: Let's make a long thread of "God exists". Have at it and remember that our DNA is not much different than a Banana and that's BANANAS!!!! B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

So lets talk about having the ability to be omnipresent...

If we could solve the "Quantum Entanglement" problem.

Could that create a debate that the "God" ability could be a reality?

and if that is a reality, then the concept of God, could only mean that we aren't advanced enough to see that this may not be "supernatural" after all.

DISCUSS....
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The vast majority of people who believe in God define him as something apart from and responsible for the (non-natural) creation of everything constituting the "natural" world, so by most definitions God is necessarily a supernatural being with abilities that transcend anything possible in the natural world.

A super smart alien might conceivably have what less advanced beings would consider "God-like" abilities, but that doesn't have much to do with philosophical concepts of God or natural vs. supernatural.

Also not sure how you are relating quantum entanglement (superposition?) and omnipresence. Even if an individual particle might (theoretically) have an uncolapsed wave function spanning the universe it seems like the wave function of "me" has to be pretty well collapsed to one location in order for me to have a functioning physical brain.
 
crowTrobot said:
The vast majority of people who believe in God define him as something apart from and responsible for the (non-natural) creation of everything constituting the "natural" world, so by most definitions God is necessarily a supernatural being with abilities that transcend anything possible in the natural world.

A super smart alien might conceivably have what less advanced beings would consider "God-like" abilities, but that doesn't have much to do with philosophical concepts of God or natural vs. supernatural.

Also not sure how you are relating quantum entanglement (superposition?) and omnipresence. Even if an individual particle might (theoretically) have an uncolapsed wave function spanning the universe it seems like the wave function of "me" has to be pretty well collapsed to one location in order for me to have a functioning physical brain.
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Well if you don't believe in a soul, since you have openly expressed this in countless other threads; manifesting from one part of the universe to another would be as simple as saving information onto a disc and loading it to another computer.

Essentially, all the program can "teleport" from one place to another.

As far as your "religion says" could be no more than one not understanding what reaction took place therefor "God did it".

And it could be explained on an eternal consciousness actually being reality, because consciousness could just a program swapping from one reality to another
 
magnifier661 said:
Well if you don't believe in a soul, since you have openly expressed this in countless other threads; manifesting from one part of the universe to another would be as simple as saving information onto a disc and loading it to another computer.
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if it were possible to quantum teleport the information in my brain from one part of the universe to another that would not be omnipresence. at best that would just be making a copy of my consciousness somewhere else.

As far as your "religion says" could be no more than one not understanding what reaction took place therefor "God did it".
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An isolated Amazon tribesman would think a cell phone was God-like. I don't see the point. Obviously we know the potential exists within nature for advanced beings to have what primitives would consider god-like abilities. You're just describing how primitive people reacted pre-science.

And it could be explained...
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What could be explained? Are you trying to use quantum entanglement as a gateway to Pantheism? That's an interesting subject but there's zero evidence for that that would need explaining, and it has nothing to do with theism or explaining why people are theists.
 
crowTrobot said:
if it were possible to quantum teleport the information in my brain from one part of the universe to another that would not be omnipresence. at best that would just be making a copy of my consciousness somewhere else.



An isolated Amazon tribesman would think a cell phone was God-like. I don't see the point. Obviously we know the potential exists within nature for advanced beings to have what primitives would consider god-like abilities. You're just describing how primitive people reacted pre-science.



What could be explained? Are you trying to use quantum entanglement as a gateway to Pantheism? That's an interesting subject but there's zero evidence for that that would need explaining, and it has nothing to do with theism or explaining why people are theists.
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Actually this really isn't me trying to prove God exists, but since we've had our debates before, I guess you just assumed as such.

Actually, I was explaining, maybe the concept of God isn't "supernatural". Maybe the Concept of God is just someone that has solved enough of the natural world to be considered one.

Try thinking outside the box bro and let's go deep into theory. No need to get all defensive and discredit any opinion from a creationist.
 
magnifier661 said:
Actually this really isn't me trying to prove God exists, but since we've had our debates before, I guess you just assumed as such.

Actually, I was explaining, maybe the concept of God isn't "supernatural". Maybe the Concept of God is just someone that has solved enough of the natural world to be considered one.

Try thinking outside the box bro and let's go deep into theory. No need to get all defensive and discredit any opinion from a creationist.
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I wasn't. It's just not clear what you're asking about.

"the Concept of God is just someone that has solved enough of the natural world to be considered one" is nonsensical because if such a being existed they would not be considered "God" by modern humans. they would be considered exactly what the are - a super intelligent alien having nothing to do with the "concept of God" held by modern theists.

I'd love to get into pantheism (the physical universe itself is conscious in some way). It's a way more interesting and somewhat more plausible theory than theism.
 
crowTrobot said:
I wasn't. It's just not clear what you're asking about.

"the Concept of God is just someone that has solved enough of the natural world to be considered one" is nonsensical because if such a being existed they would not be considered "God" by modern humans. they would be considered exactly what the are - a super intelligent alien having nothing to do with the "concept of God" held by modern theists.

I'd love to get into pantheism (the physical universe itself is conscious in some way). It's a way more interesting and somewhat more plausible theory than theism.
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Oh really? So if some being could move planets and create galaxies in front of your eyes wouldn't move you?
 
magnifier661 said:
Oh really? So if some being could move planets and create galaxies in front of your eyes wouldn't move you?
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I wouldn't be so overwhelmed with awe that I would assume it was "God", no. My first thesis would be that it was a super intelligent physical being of some kind (hopefully one named Lucy that looked like Scarlett Johansson).
 
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