On the Simmons/Russillo pod this morning

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I will say I think the Simons hype is getting out of control

now before the Simons fan club slams me for that....allow me to explain: if Simons gets a greatly expanded role next season, even if his eventual ceiling is high, I expect him to struggle quite a bit at times. I expect plenty of inconsistency. In some ways, it will be his rookie season. And when he looks bad, the critics will come out of the woodwork and slam him and then there will be world war four around blazertown

I'd even expect some of the Layman effect: that being that he could have a stretch of wow-look-at-him-we-got-a-great-one games. His fans will go batshit and talk about all-star games. Then, he'll get scouted and opponents will take away what he's doing best and limit his open looks and driving lanes. And he won't look anywhere close to an all-star anymore

I'm not nearly as high on Simons as some here. I do expect he'll likely be a fairly consistent rotation player soon. But soon for a 19-20 year old is 1-2 years from now, not next November

I'd agree with that if we hadn't heard things from the older players and Blazer management ... and now even national media ... indicating that he's a lot closer to being ready and a lot better than we thought when we picked him. And he showed enough in limited time on the court to support what we've been hearing and reading.

I don't think he's going to dominate next year. But I think he can be a solid replacement to Curry at least in terms of production.
 
I'd agree with that if we hadn't heard things from the older players and Blazer management ... and now even national media ...

but that's all the same thing. Like I said, the OP of the post was some "national media" and I think their source is Olshey..."blazer management". It's an echo

as for older players extolling the virtues of a rookie....count me as a little skeptical. I've heard the same refrain about Martell Webster and Sergio Rodriguez and Elliot Williams and Jerryd Bayless and Meyers Leonard and Allen Crabbe and Luis Montero. Veterans often praise their young teammates, but what I've seen is that the result is more often a foul ball or a single in the 6th or 7th inning rather than a home run in the 1st or 2nd inning

like I said, I have hopes for Simons but I'm tempering my expectations
 
I guess you can argue that Toronto started Green but we all know that VanFleet and Lowry were the main back court stars in that series. Both a hell of lot shorter than CJ and Dame. (green played 18 minutes in the final game)

Regardless of who starts though, all you have to do is have a 3rd guard on the team who is a great defender that rotates in.

Both Green and VanVleet have significantly better defensive ratings and defensive win shares than either of our guards. Not perfect metrics, but . . .
 
I was thinking back to his time with the Pacers, and I think he was the alpha there because there really wasn't anyone else. He was by far their best player. But I never feared him as this guy who could will his team to win in big situations. And, sure enough, he still isn't that, even with better players around him now.

Here's another thing to consider. He's the best player on the Thunder. And this wasn't his first year there. LeBron deferred to D-Wade his first year in Miami, but he became THE guy starting his second year. Paul George not only continued to to defer to Westbrook, he took on some of the worst aspects of Westbrook's personality. "No comment" to the most basic of questions when he had no skin in the game at these postgame interviews? Come on, that's childish. You really want that on your team? You really think that makes you better? You really want your younger players to be learning from a THAT? I don't, but maybe that's because I've played and coached and been around teams and seen just how much it undermines your program.

It ultimately comes down to what you are giving up to bring him in. But I have questions about his personality and how it fits here. I'd prefer other players. Booker, Beal, Towns, any of them to me are better fits than PG, although PG is the better pure talent.

Again, I see the point, but I think you're looking at things through the wrong lenses. In a vacuum, I your concerns are all valid, we don't live in a vacuum, I think you're worrying about a lot of things that you've built up in your head too much. OKC is not Portland; Dame is not Westbrook; their culture is not our culture. We're also not talking about installing PG as the new pillar of the team like he was in OKC, this hypothetical would be adding him to our core of established leaders in Dame, CJ and Nurk for our young pieces (so you also wouldn't have to worry about them learning bad habits from him...)

If PG absorbed Westbrook's immaturity, why couldn't he absorb Dame's stoic, lead by example approach just as easily?

He also wouldn't have be the only one to will our team to victory, as you say. A core of PG, Dame, CJ and Nurk wouldn't all of a sudden just need to rely on one guy.

So yes, even if he brought a bit of a beta mentality, that's a swing for the fences move and his talent is WAY greater than Beal or Booker (Towns is another story).

Of course, this is all moot because PG ain't gonna be available...
 
Out of that list I liked Sergio the most.

Simon's will be better than all of them.

Granted I may be setting myself up for heartbreak.

:cheers:

Edit: Crap it didn't quote the post haha
 
I'd agree with that if we hadn't heard things from the older players and Blazer management ... and now even national media ... indicating that he's a lot closer to being ready and a lot better than we thought when we picked him. And he showed enough in limited time on the court to support what we've been hearing and reading.

I don't think he's going to dominate next year. But I think he can be a solid replacement to Curry at least in terms of production.

I expect 30/5/5 every game after the Sacto performance.
 
recently is Little was there

Maybe, but he also played with Little when he was still in high school. So that does not mean much. I do not recognize the floor but I am guessing it is in Orlando.
 
https://www.theringer.com/the-bill-...gency-preview-extravaganza-with-ryen-russillo

Around the 86 minute mark. Tried to quote, but verbatim...

Discussion on how Portland and Denver could end up having the #1 record in the west next year.

Ryen: "The reports I'm getting back on Anfernee Simons are through the roof. It's not just talent, but if he puts it together, he's gonna be a monster. That sounds really aggressive but I wouldn't share it unless the guy that told me that has been right almost all the time on players."

Bill: "I've heard similar buzz with them just being really really delighted with how it turned out."

Bill: "They have Simons, they have Collins who I like. They have Nassir Little who people feel like they stole, and they have expiring contracts in Leonard/Harkless/Bazemore. Basically they have the pieces to put together a trade for any player they want over the next 6 months. It can be something like expirings and Little for Love, or even something ambitious for a top 25 player by throwing in all their pieces. I do think Portland is going to do something big."

Ryen: " I don't know what it is. The guy who told me this about Simons is the same one who was talking about CJ before he blew up. Simons still has to get out there and play but if he was that insanely good, then wouldn't Portland have found some minutes for him? Zach, I really like, he's gotta fight a little bit more. But there's always that next pissed off star in the next 6 months who will become available, and maybe they have enough pieces to load up on it. It's much better than everyone trying to break up their backcourt"

Bill: "What if they put together a three headed triumvirate and land Beal? But I keep coming back to Love. 4 months from now, you could have someone out there. Maybe PG is tired of OKC or Davis hates it in LA. "

Thanks for taking the time to do this, much appreciated.
 


This is clearly a smokescreen.

We always hear players, management, media talk up players like this.

It’s funny because a majority of the time they talk them up by saying “he is working hard, trying to find his role, fit in, gym rat”

The things we have heard about Anfernee are clearly different than the things we heard about Sergio, Crabbe, Meyers, Martell, etc.

In fact, most of the time, Stotts and Olshey put a damper on expectations, from what I recall.

Doesn’t mean he is a star.

Doesn’t mean he will be great.

But clearly everyone who has actually seen him play, competed with him, and watch his daily routine has said he is “ready now”.

Considering he is going up against Dame and CJ, I would be surprised if that translated into “bust.”

He must be cooking someone in practice and looking good while doing so.

And once again, find me quotes that are in the same ballpark as the things people have said about Simons.

It’s not like Neil goes, “yeah that’s the most gifted player I’ve ever drafted” all the time. Usually Neil is the one to go “Up to Stotts to figure out the rotation, he’s a young guy, he will need to work his way in.”

He has said absolutely none of that.

May not be a star, but as I argued with many people, he certainly has trade value and I’m not keen on another Jermaine O Neal situation.

Also, it’s nice to know that people around the league apparently value Simons more than some of our own fans who claimed he had “minimal” trade value, ignoring the circumstances around him being drafted and his “redshirt” year essentially.
 
Can’t wait to see Simons on the court next year. If that 37-point, 9-assist game against Sacramento wasn’t a fluke, we’re in for a treat.

Not a fluke. He's got all the natural talent. Just needs to get stronger. Big question for a young Simons is can he gain the strength to defend at a level high enough to stay in the game
 
Was this 1 year or 2 years ago?

It seems that it was early June this year, according to this blurb:

"Who would have thought we were getting a glimpse of the Blazers future in a pick-up game a couple of weeks ago?!"

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/quick-glimpse-blazers-future

A link to this tweet is also in the story:



I did not know there was a Voodoo Doughnuts in Orlando!
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It seems that it was early June this year, according to this blurb:

"Who would have thought we were getting a glimpse of the Blazers future in a pick-up game a couple of weeks ago?!"

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/quick-glimpse-blazers-future

A link to this tweet is also in the story:



I did not know there was a Voodoo Doughnuts in Orlando!
D9jU9ydXkAU4ckd

Voodoo is alright but maybe the most overhyped food Ive ever had, but Im from Portland so I keep going...
 
I think Simons could be the next Ray Allen, the Bucks/Sonics version.
 

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