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maxiep

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I've watched ABC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX and CBS tonight. The one thing they had in common was when the moderator asked "How will President-Elect Obama govern?" the answer was the same: "We don't know."

When Gloria Borger, George Stephanopolous, Jeff Greenfield and Juan Williams all agree, there is something seriously wrong. The bottom line is that this country is so desperate for change, we've elected a complete unknown.
 
He is really a smart dude...so maybe just maybe


He will play it cool, then when he gets in office he will do the following.

Deport illegal immigrants.
Cut spending for all the bullshit we don't need (about 55 percent of the budget as a rough guess)


ah fuck, I know that won't happen so why keep going?
 
...maybe because nobody can forsee the future?! :dunno:
 
Maybe his wife is going to be in charge. That woman seems mean to me, might be the puppet master.
 
He's getting his kids a puppy. That's all you need to know for now.

barfo
 
It depended upon whether or not the republicans retain cloture in the Senate. Now that they have he will have to move a bit towards center.

I'm interested to see how his cabinet shakes out.
 
This is called the honeymoon phase. When he takes office on January 20th, the marriage begins. With a Democrat-controlled Congress, he's going to be able to push through almost anything he wants. We're going to get a big dose of liberalism in this country for the next four years, so brace yourself.
 
Xericx said:
no, because he hasn't led SHIT!
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Yeah, other than the most successful, groundbreaking, historic political campaign in the history of the United States. But yeah, other than that, he's pretty much at the same level as some homeless guy begging for change. Good call. :crazy:

-Pop
 
Xericx said:
Yes, run on hype, smoke and mirrors.
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Regardless of what you think about the message of his campaign, the real success story was the operations of his campaign. The use of technology to get people involved, the ground operations in traditional red states, the anticipatory strategies, etc. It was easily the best run political campaign we've seen in quite some time, and perhaps in American political history.

If you don't think that somehow translates into how he's going to consensus-build, and govern, and involve Americans in the political process, you haven't been paying attention.

-Pop
 
maxiep said:
I've watched ABC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX and CBS tonight. The one thing they had in common was when the moderator asked "How will President-Elect Obama govern?" the answer was the same: "We don't know."

When Gloria Borger, George Stephanopolous, Jeff Greenfield and Juan Williams all agree, there is something seriously wrong. The bottom line is that this country is so desperate for change, we've elected a complete unknown.
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What does it matter?

We worry about the chattering classes not being able to get a handle on it?

Answer this, after Bush was elected in 2000 there was all this talk about how he would govern and what he would do. They based it on his past as Governor of Texas and how close the election was and on his campaign rhetoric. So, they guessed he would be cautious, that he would build bridges with moderate Democrats, and that he would move toward the center away from some of the campaign promises made to shore up the base.

How well did the chattering classes guesses hit the mark?

So again, who gives a hoot if those same chattering classes are having trouble coming up with plausible blueprints for an Obama Presidency because they lack a track record?

What good is looking to the past when that past may or may not give a clear indication of the future direction?
 
Masbee said:
What does it matter?

We worry about the chattering classes not being able to get a handle on it?

Answer this, after Bush was elected in 2000 there was all this talk about how he would govern and what he would do. They based it on his past as Governor of Texas and how close the election was and on his campaign rhetoric. So, they guessed he would be cautious, that he would build bridges with moderate Democrats, and that he would move toward the center away from some of the campaign promises made to shore up the base.

How well did the chattering classes guesses hit the mark?

So again, who gives a hoot if those same chattering classes are having trouble coming up with plausible blueprints for an Obama Presidency because they lack a track record?

What good is looking to the past when that past may or may not give a clear indication of the future direction?
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With George Bush you had an idea about his policy ideas. Whether or not he would be cautious wasn't an issue. You were going to get No Child Left Behind, money for faith-based charitable organizations, etc. But we literally have a blank slate with no check on his powers. The fact that those who have met him, spoken with him, asked him questions and opined on him have NO FREAKING IDEA what is his worldview is stunning. Absolutely stunning.
 
Actually, that's not true. I know he wants a BCS Championship Playoff system.
 
I think you are not comprehending what the announcers mean, because you are not reading the whole story line. Over the last several years, many of the democrats that have been elected to office have been "conservative democrats." They actually hold a lot of seats, and don't see directly, eye to eye with left democrats. Secondly, folks are wanting to see if he backs up his talk about reaching across the aisle. So the question is, does Barack Obama govern more to the center, or not? That is what they were referring to.

Lets get this straight here folks. It doesn't matter if it is a republican or democrats being elected for office, whatever office it is. They are all politicians, and you can only listen to so much before you have to just sit back and find out if they back up their talk with the walk.
 
SodaPopinski said:
Regardless of what you think about the message of his campaign, the real success story was the operations of his campaign. The use of technology to get people involved, the ground operations in traditional red states, the anticipatory strategies, etc. It was easily the best run political campaign we've seen in quite some time, and perhaps in American political history.
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Good. Fine. Excellent. But it gives us no indication of how he'll run the country.
 
maxiep said:
With George Bush you had an idea about his policy ideas. Whether or not he would be cautious wasn't an issue. You were going to get No Child Left Behind, money for faith-based charitable organizations, etc. But we literally have a blank slate with no check on his powers. The fact that those who have met him, spoken with him, asked him questions and opined on him have NO FREAKING IDEA what is his worldview is stunning. Absolutely stunning.
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Again, SO WHAT!

Faith based charity and NCLB are sideshows. In the big scheme of things essentially irrelevant.

What really mattered about the Bush Administration was a whole bunch of other issues that few saw coming and fewer still predicted based on his past track record.
 
Great firxt executive decision to get the kids a dog. His second executive decision should be to pick a Golden Retriever. Then after that, naming the dog.
 
Shooter said:
Good. Fine. Excellent. But it gives us no indication of how he'll run the country.
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Are you in the same world I live in? Because if you are, you need to sit back, and remember these are politicians we are talking about. A politician can talk to you continually and you won't even know if your name is correct when it is all said and done.
 
Masbee said:
Again, SO WHAT!

Faith based charity and NCLB are sideshows. In the big scheme of things essentially irrelevant.

What really mattered about the Bush Administration was a whole bunch of other issues that few saw coming and fewer still predicted based on his past track record.
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You don't seem to care. I do. We disagree on this issue.
 
Not to change the subject, but WTF does FTW stand for? All I can think of it "fuck the world," and that doesn't fit very often when you put it in context...
 
BlazerWookee said:
Not to change the subject, but WTF does FTW stand for? All I can think of it "fuck the world," and that doesn't fit very often when you put it in context...
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FTW = for the win
 
They don't know?

Because they're morons.

He was pretty clear that his #1 priority is to make my life better, and fairer, and healthier, and free again.

I expect he will.
 
SodaPopinski said:
Yeah, other than the most successful, groundbreaking, historic political campaign in the history of the United States. But yeah, other than that, he's pretty much at the same level as some homeless guy begging for change. Good call. :crazy:

-Pop
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David Axelrod led the campaign.
 
Masbee said:
What does it matter?

We worry about the chattering classes not being able to get a handle on it?

Answer this, after Bush was elected in 2000 there was all this talk about how he would govern and what he would do. They based it on his past as Governor of Texas and how close the election was and on his campaign rhetoric. So, they guessed he would be cautious, that he would build bridges with moderate Democrats, and that he would move toward the center away from some of the campaign promises made to shore up the base.

How well did the chattering classes guesses hit the mark?

So again, who gives a hoot if those same chattering classes are having trouble coming up with plausible blueprints for an Obama Presidency because they lack a track record?

What good is looking to the past when that past may or may not give a clear indication of the future direction?
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You slept through the first 100 days? No Child Left Behind sticks out among the things W reached across the aisle to get passed (with Ted Kennedy no less). Or maybe you missed that he picked Norman Manetta (D) to be Secy. of Transportation.

That was after he was assaulted as "selected" and "illegitimate" during the transition process before he took office. By the sorest losers I've ever seen.
 
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