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Big day today, shame its barely reported on.

"It takes no time at all to recognize that the congressional map Oregon Democrats are trying to cram through the Legislature is shamelessly gerrymandered. In drawing boundaries for Oregon’s congressional districts, including a new sixth district, Democrats divvied up the Portland-area’s bounty of liberal voters among four of them. Such creative slicing and dicing – the plan assigns roughly two-thirds of Portland’s Irvington neighborhood to a district stretching east across the Cascades to rural Jefferson County, while the other third is in a district stretching west to the Pacific Ocean – would set up Democrats to win five of Oregon’s six seats in the U.S. House of Representatives.

But drawing up a biased map was just the half of it. Facing opposition from Republicans on the committee considering both congressional and legislative boundaries, House Speaker Tina Kotek decided last week to rig the result. She shut down the existing committee, which had an equal number of Republicans as Democrats as part of a deal she agreed to earlier this year, and created two new ones in its place: one to handle legislative boundaries and the other to oversee congressional lines. To ensure Democrats’ gerrymandered map moved forward, Kotek assigned two Democrats and only one Republican to the congressional committee. And despite widespread public testimony from Oregonians opposing the congressional boundaries, House Democrats did not make a single change to the map.

Credit Kotek and House Democrats for transparently showing Oregonians just how grossly partisan and anti-democratic their intentions are.

As this editorial goes to press on Friday, it is unclear whether Republicans will even show up for a charade of a House vote on Saturday or whether Democrats will budge on their no-change stance. Regardless of the result, Oregonians of all parties who value fairness and representation should focus on three key takeaways.

First, Kotek’s handling of redistricting should be a significant factor in any Oregonian’s analysis of whether to support the longtime legislator in her bid to be governor. Her decision to go back on her word to Republican legislators is a huge mark against someone who wants to lead the state, which includes millions of non-Democrats. It’s also profoundly disappointing considering that her earlier agreement to share power with Republicans on redistricting showed leadership and political courage – two attributes that have been sorely lacking among Oregon’s elected officials.

While Kotek did not respond to requests to explain the decision, her spokesman sent a lengthy email that sought to pin the blame on Republicans and pointed to a political scientist’s quote in a news story arguing that the burden was on the minority – not the people who hold power – to come up with a compromise. That’s an odd philosophy to have in general and, in this case, Democrats hold supermajorities in both chambers of the Legislature and control the governor’s office. Those with such power should recognize fair play and honest treatment – even to those who belong to a minority party – as a fundamental obligation of leadership.

Second, Oregon should join the growing number of states adopting an independent redistricting commission. Politicians who have a vested interest in elections should not be in charge of district boundaries that are so easily drawn to favor one party over another or help cement an incumbent in power. And while Oregon Democrats own the ugliness of this year’s redistricting process, we have no doubt that Republicans would engage in the same opportunistic manipulation if they were in the majority here – as they have in states where they do control the legislature.

Unfortunately, an initiative petition to create such a commission failed to make the ballot last year due to difficulties gathering signatures during the pandemic and a challenge by Democratic Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum to keep it from voters. Oregonians should ensure it makes the ballot in 2022 and push for a mid-decade report evaluating the fairness of whatever boundaries are ultimately adopted by the current redistricting process.

And finally, Oregon’s non-affiliated and third-party voters need to step up their advocacy for their own rights. Non-affiliated voters make up a third of Oregon’s registered voter base, but are locked out of participating in the taxpayer-funded Democratic and Republican primaries. As a result, the most partisan candidates often win the party nomination to run in the general election, acing out more moderate candidates who might have broader appeal. Non-affiliated voters should pressure party officials to open their primaries or, if that fails, consider the easy step of changing their voter registration temporarily to one of the parties in order to vote in the May primary. More Oregonians must be able to have a say in selecting candidates for the general election.

Certainly, Oregon has leaned Democratic, as presidential and statewide elections have shown, but not nearly by the margins that would be reflected in a 5-1 congressional split. Oregonians should make clear to their leaders that while they may favor liberal candidates as a whole, they value fairness and representation even more."

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/...gon-democrats-anti-democratic-power-play.html
 
Big day today, shame its barely reported on.

"It takes no time at all to recognize that the congressional map Oregon Democrats are trying to cram through the Legislature is shamelessly gerrymandered. In drawing boundaries for Oregon’s congressional districts, including a new sixth district, Democrats divvied up the Portland-area’s bounty of liberal voters among four of them. Such creative slicing and dicing – the plan assigns roughly two-thirds of Portland’s Irvington neighborhood to a district stretching east across the Cascades to rural Jefferson County, while the other third is in a district stretching west to the Pacific Ocean – would set up Democrats to win five of Oregon’s six seats in the U.S. House of Representatives.

But drawing up a biased map was just the half of it. Facing opposition from Republicans on the committee considering both congressional and legislative boundaries, House Speaker Tina Kotek decided last week to rig the result. She shut down the existing committee, which had an equal number of Republicans as Democrats as part of a deal she agreed to earlier this year, and created two new ones in its place: one to handle legislative boundaries and the other to oversee congressional lines. To ensure Democrats’ gerrymandered map moved forward, Kotek assigned two Democrats and only one Republican to the congressional committee. And despite widespread public testimony from Oregonians opposing the congressional boundaries, House Democrats did not make a single change to the map.

Credit Kotek and House Democrats for transparently showing Oregonians just how grossly partisan and anti-democratic their intentions are.

As this editorial goes to press on Friday, it is unclear whether Republicans will even show up for a charade of a House vote on Saturday or whether Democrats will budge on their no-change stance. Regardless of the result, Oregonians of all parties who value fairness and representation should focus on three key takeaways.

First, Kotek’s handling of redistricting should be a significant factor in any Oregonian’s analysis of whether to support the longtime legislator in her bid to be governor. Her decision to go back on her word to Republican legislators is a huge mark against someone who wants to lead the state, which includes millions of non-Democrats. It’s also profoundly disappointing considering that her earlier agreement to share power with Republicans on redistricting showed leadership and political courage – two attributes that have been sorely lacking among Oregon’s elected officials.

While Kotek did not respond to requests to explain the decision, her spokesman sent a lengthy email that sought to pin the blame on Republicans and pointed to a political scientist’s quote in a news story arguing that the burden was on the minority – not the people who hold power – to come up with a compromise. That’s an odd philosophy to have in general and, in this case, Democrats hold supermajorities in both chambers of the Legislature and control the governor’s office. Those with such power should recognize fair play and honest treatment – even to those who belong to a minority party – as a fundamental obligation of leadership.

Second, Oregon should join the growing number of states adopting an independent redistricting commission. Politicians who have a vested interest in elections should not be in charge of district boundaries that are so easily drawn to favor one party over another or help cement an incumbent in power. And while Oregon Democrats own the ugliness of this year’s redistricting process, we have no doubt that Republicans would engage in the same opportunistic manipulation if they were in the majority here – as they have in states where they do control the legislature.

Unfortunately, an initiative petition to create such a commission failed to make the ballot last year due to difficulties gathering signatures during the pandemic and a challenge by Democratic Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum to keep it from voters. Oregonians should ensure it makes the ballot in 2022 and push for a mid-decade report evaluating the fairness of whatever boundaries are ultimately adopted by the current redistricting process.

And finally, Oregon’s non-affiliated and third-party voters need to step up their advocacy for their own rights. Non-affiliated voters make up a third of Oregon’s registered voter base, but are locked out of participating in the taxpayer-funded Democratic and Republican primaries. As a result, the most partisan candidates often win the party nomination to run in the general election, acing out more moderate candidates who might have broader appeal. Non-affiliated voters should pressure party officials to open their primaries or, if that fails, consider the easy step of changing their voter registration temporarily to one of the parties in order to vote in the May primary. More Oregonians must be able to have a say in selecting candidates for the general election.

Certainly, Oregon has leaned Democratic, as presidential and statewide elections have shown, but not nearly by the margins that would be reflected in a 5-1 congressional split. Oregonians should make clear to their leaders that while they may favor liberal candidates as a whole, they value fairness and representation even more."

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/...gon-democrats-anti-democratic-power-play.html
Unfortunately this is a result of our current system. Oregon has to do this to compete with republic states (and Republican states say the same).

We need a national law which outlaws gerrymandering.
 
Here is the democrat's proposal.

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Here is the republican's proposal.

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Why not just use the county boundaries?

From what I understand there can only be a 1% difference in population between the districts so dividing by county boundaries would be impossible.
 
From what I understand there can only be a 1% difference in population between the districts so dividing by county boundaries would be impossible.
But couldn't multiple counties be in the same district?
 
Multiple counties are in the same district in both proposals.
Complete counties? Like Multnomah, Clackamas, and Washington counties could be their own districts then use multiple counties to make up the rest.

Or just get rid of the 1% thing and make the vote of the county be weighted based on the percentage of its population.
 
Complete counties? Like Multnomah, Clackamas, and Washington counties could be their own districts then use multiple counties to make up the rest.

Or just get rid of the 1% thing and make the vote of the county be weighted based on the percentage of its population.

I think the 1% thing is a federal requirement.
 
I'll be honest the republican one looks ok. It wont make in a difference as Oregon is very liberal anyway and getting more so.
 
Big day today, shame its barely reported on.

"It takes no time at all to recognize that the congressional map Oregon Democrats are trying to cram through the Legislature is shamelessly gerrymandered. In drawing boundaries for Oregon’s congressional districts, including a new sixth district, Democrats divvied up the Portland-area’s bounty of liberal voters among four of them. Such creative slicing and dicing – the plan assigns roughly two-thirds of Portland’s Irvington neighborhood to a district stretching east across the Cascades to rural Jefferson County, while the other third is in a district stretching west to the Pacific Ocean – would set up Democrats to win five of Oregon’s six seats in the U.S. House of Representatives.

But drawing up a biased map was just the half of it. Facing opposition from Republicans on the committee considering both congressional and legislative boundaries, House Speaker Tina Kotek decided last week to rig the result. She shut down the existing committee, which had an equal number of Republicans as Democrats as part of a deal she agreed to earlier this year, and created two new ones in its place: one to handle legislative boundaries and the other to oversee congressional lines. To ensure Democrats’ gerrymandered map moved forward, Kotek assigned two Democrats and only one Republican to the congressional committee. And despite widespread public testimony from Oregonians opposing the congressional boundaries, House Democrats did not make a single change to the map.

Credit Kotek and House Democrats for transparently showing Oregonians just how grossly partisan and anti-democratic their intentions are.

As this editorial goes to press on Friday, it is unclear whether Republicans will even show up for a charade of a House vote on Saturday or whether Democrats will budge on their no-change stance. Regardless of the result, Oregonians of all parties who value fairness and representation should focus on three key takeaways.

First, Kotek’s handling of redistricting should be a significant factor in any Oregonian’s analysis of whether to support the longtime legislator in her bid to be governor. Her decision to go back on her word to Republican legislators is a huge mark against someone who wants to lead the state, which includes millions of non-Democrats. It’s also profoundly disappointing considering that her earlier agreement to share power with Republicans on redistricting showed leadership and political courage – two attributes that have been sorely lacking among Oregon’s elected officials.

While Kotek did not respond to requests to explain the decision, her spokesman sent a lengthy email that sought to pin the blame on Republicans and pointed to a political scientist’s quote in a news story arguing that the burden was on the minority – not the people who hold power – to come up with a compromise. That’s an odd philosophy to have in general and, in this case, Democrats hold supermajorities in both chambers of the Legislature and control the governor’s office. Those with such power should recognize fair play and honest treatment – even to those who belong to a minority party – as a fundamental obligation of leadership.

Second, Oregon should join the growing number of states adopting an independent redistricting commission. Politicians who have a vested interest in elections should not be in charge of district boundaries that are so easily drawn to favor one party over another or help cement an incumbent in power. And while Oregon Democrats own the ugliness of this year’s redistricting process, we have no doubt that Republicans would engage in the same opportunistic manipulation if they were in the majority here – as they have in states where they do control the legislature.

Unfortunately, an initiative petition to create such a commission failed to make the ballot last year due to difficulties gathering signatures during the pandemic and a challenge by Democratic Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum to keep it from voters. Oregonians should ensure it makes the ballot in 2022 and push for a mid-decade report evaluating the fairness of whatever boundaries are ultimately adopted by the current redistricting process.

And finally, Oregon’s non-affiliated and third-party voters need to step up their advocacy for their own rights. Non-affiliated voters make up a third of Oregon’s registered voter base, but are locked out of participating in the taxpayer-funded Democratic and Republican primaries. As a result, the most partisan candidates often win the party nomination to run in the general election, acing out more moderate candidates who might have broader appeal. Non-affiliated voters should pressure party officials to open their primaries or, if that fails, consider the easy step of changing their voter registration temporarily to one of the parties in order to vote in the May primary. More Oregonians must be able to have a say in selecting candidates for the general election.

Certainly, Oregon has leaned Democratic, as presidential and statewide elections have shown, but not nearly by the margins that would be reflected in a 5-1 congressional split. Oregonians should make clear to their leaders that while they may favor liberal candidates as a whole, they value fairness and representation even more."

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/...gon-democrats-anti-democratic-power-play.html
C’mom HB. NOW you show outrage because it’s actually happening in YOUR state??? This kind of shit has been going on forever in other states, and every bit of it initiated by Republicans. It’s the only way they have been able to win elections, which is exactly the point. If this country’s congressional districts were apportioned “fairly”, this country would actually be the democratic republic it was intended to be. Instead, the minority has gerrymandered the fuck of this country and is why we have been mostly under minority rule for decades. Personally, I think gerrymandering is unconscionable, but hey, tit for tat. It’s about time the Democrats started playing by Republican rules…….I’m sick and tired of cranky, old white men thinking they know what’s best for a country that is no longer white…..
 
Hey, as long as we’re into gerrymandering, I want one district for the independents in this state. About time we got some representation. Damned thieving donkey dongs and elephant asses!
 
C’mom HB. NOW you show outrage because it’s actually happening in YOUR state??? This kind of shit has been going on forever in other states, and every bit of it initiated by Republicans. It’s the only way they have been able to win elections, which is exactly the point. If this country’s congressional districts were apportioned “fairly”, this country would actually be the democratic republic it was intended to be. Instead, the minority has gerrymandered the fuck of this country and is why we have been mostly under minority rule for decades. Personally, I think gerrymandering is unconscionable, but hey, tit for tat. It’s about time the Democrats started playing by Republican rules…….I’m sick and tired of cranky, old white men thinking they know what’s best for a country that is no longer white…..
He didnt write that, he just posted it and said its a shame its not being reported more.
 
He didnt write that, he just posted it and said its a shame its not being reported more.
I understand completely that he did not write that. I had read it in this morning’s Oregonian, so it IS being reported. Why should the national media all of a sudden care about deep blue Oregon redistricting? I have no opinion one way or the other as to whether it’s fair or not. If it isn’t, then tough shit for Republicans. There is a reason the minority has had undue control of this country, and gerrymandering in Oregon has nothing to do with it. This “outrage” at redistricting is selective outrage, nothing more. It’s the Republicans saying, “See? They do it too.” Or in plain speak, “Look!!! A squirrel!!!” All the gerrymandering in the world is not going to help the Republicans in this state unless and until they finally come up with a candidate who is viable……..or until a shit ton of Democrats and Independents suddenly lose their minds and register as Republicans……this is virtually a non story……..I’ll value “fairness and representation” in Oregon when the win at any cost Republicans start to value it. Until then, fuck em. Whatever it takes to keep the Trumps, Grahams, Cotton’s, Cawthornes, Cruz’s et al at bay…….I’m actually tickled to see the Democrats play by Republican rules……
 
I want partisan politics to end period...everyone register as an independant and vote for the most qualified candidates with zero partisan considerations...two party system is broken and can never be fixed...time for a new approach in my view..in my view other than a dozen or so GOP elected officials...the majority of the party is trying to destroy democracy and replace it with fundamentalist values and policies...that party needs to purge some ballast from it's ranks. Oregon is a deep blue state...don't see that changing with a district at all...but Oregons democratic leadership has also sucked for ages..nothing new there....I guess it's a thankless job for the most part unless you skim off the tip jar
 
Gerrymandering needs to go, but unilateral disarmament by Democratic states is not the way to do it. We tried that, and the Republican states did not follow (surprise, surprise). Need federal laws to ensure fairness but of course the Republicans are currently filibustering that.

barfo
 
I understand completely that he did not write that. I had read it in this morning’s Oregonian, so it IS being reported. Why should the national media all of a sudden care about deep blue Oregon redistricting? I have no opinion one way or the other as to whether it’s fair or not. If it isn’t, then tough shit for Republicans. There is a reason the minority has had undue control of this country, and gerrymandering in Oregon has nothing to do with it. This “outrage” at redistricting is selective outrage, nothing more. It’s the Republicans saying, “See? They do it too.” Or in plain speak, “Look!!! A squirrel!!!” All the gerrymandering in the world is not going to help the Republicans in this state unless and until they finally come up with a candidate who is viable……..or until a shit ton of Democrats and Independents suddenly lose their minds and register as Republicans……this is virtually a non story……..I’ll value “fairness and representation” in Oregon when the win at any cost Republicans start to value it. Until then, fuck em. Whatever it takes to keep the Trumps, Grahams, Cotton’s, Cawthornes, Cruz’s et al at bay…….I’m actually tickled to see the Democrats play by Republican rules……

lol. Fair enough. It all needs to go though. Political manipulation is rampant with no end in sight.
 
I want partisan politics to end period...everyone register as an independant and vote for the most qualified candidates with zero partisan considerations...two party system is broken and can never be fixed...time for a new approach in my view..in my view other than a dozen or so GOP elected officials...the majority of the party is trying to destroy democracy and replace it with fundamentalist values and policies...that party needs to purge some ballast from it's ranks. Oregon is a deep blue state...don't see that changing with a district at all...but Oregons democratic leadership has also sucked for ages..nothing new there....I guess it's a thankless job for the most part unless you skim off the tip jar
I like it! My biggest concern now is American Patriotism/Unity is disappearing as its them against us anymore. I would like to see people come together on issues and through consensus/give and take get things done without our way or no deal.
How can we as a Country be United and strong without working together, wont work. Just like when marriages or any relationship divorces. Simmons Philly.
Its sad because as a youngster we were taught to give and take and find common ground and resolve conflict.
Im almost convinced its to late to Unite, and we will become more like Sunnies and Shia and constant war between tribes, I never though Id see the day when segregation is promoted again.
Ive been an independent for a long time.
 
I love the way Rs embrace the most extreme gerrymandering when it benefits them, then turn around and howl with outrage if Ds come up with a plan that is less than 100% bipartisan.
In a R state, the dems cry 'foul' when new districts are drawn up and in D states the GOP cries foul. The D map is a little skewed, but I wouldn't call it gerrymandering.
 
Big day today, shame its barely reported on.

"It takes no time at all to recognize that the congressional map Oregon Democrats are trying to cram through the Legislature is shamelessly gerrymandered. In drawing boundaries for Oregon’s congressional districts, including a new sixth district, Democrats divvied up the Portland-area’s bounty of liberal voters among four of them. Such creative slicing and dicing – the plan assigns roughly two-thirds of Portland’s Irvington neighborhood to a district stretching east across the Cascades to rural Jefferson County, while the other third is in a district stretching west to the Pacific Ocean – would set up Democrats to win five of Oregon’s six seats in the U.S. House of Representatives.

But drawing up a biased map was just the half of it. Facing opposition from Republicans on the committee considering both congressional and legislative boundaries, House Speaker Tina Kotek decided last week to rig the result. She shut down the existing committee, which had an equal number of Republicans as Democrats as part of a deal she agreed to earlier this year, and created two new ones in its place: one to handle legislative boundaries and the other to oversee congressional lines. To ensure Democrats’ gerrymandered map moved forward, Kotek assigned two Democrats and only one Republican to the congressional committee. And despite widespread public testimony from Oregonians opposing the congressional boundaries, House Democrats did not make a single change to the map.

Credit Kotek and House Democrats for transparently showing Oregonians just how grossly partisan and anti-democratic their intentions are.

As this editorial goes to press on Friday, it is unclear whether Republicans will even show up for a charade of a House vote on Saturday or whether Democrats will budge on their no-change stance. Regardless of the result, Oregonians of all parties who value fairness and representation should focus on three key takeaways.

First, Kotek’s handling of redistricting should be a significant factor in any Oregonian’s analysis of whether to support the longtime legislator in her bid to be governor. Her decision to go back on her word to Republican legislators is a huge mark against someone who wants to lead the state, which includes millions of non-Democrats. It’s also profoundly disappointing considering that her earlier agreement to share power with Republicans on redistricting showed leadership and political courage – two attributes that have been sorely lacking among Oregon’s elected officials.

While Kotek did not respond to requests to explain the decision, her spokesman sent a lengthy email that sought to pin the blame on Republicans and pointed to a political scientist’s quote in a news story arguing that the burden was on the minority – not the people who hold power – to come up with a compromise. That’s an odd philosophy to have in general and, in this case, Democrats hold supermajorities in both chambers of the Legislature and control the governor’s office. Those with such power should recognize fair play and honest treatment – even to those who belong to a minority party – as a fundamental obligation of leadership.

Second, Oregon should join the growing number of states adopting an independent redistricting commission. Politicians who have a vested interest in elections should not be in charge of district boundaries that are so easily drawn to favor one party over another or help cement an incumbent in power. And while Oregon Democrats own the ugliness of this year’s redistricting process, we have no doubt that Republicans would engage in the same opportunistic manipulation if they were in the majority here – as they have in states where they do control the legislature.

Unfortunately, an initiative petition to create such a commission failed to make the ballot last year due to difficulties gathering signatures during the pandemic and a challenge by Democratic Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum to keep it from voters. Oregonians should ensure it makes the ballot in 2022 and push for a mid-decade report evaluating the fairness of whatever boundaries are ultimately adopted by the current redistricting process.

And finally, Oregon’s non-affiliated and third-party voters need to step up their advocacy for their own rights. Non-affiliated voters make up a third of Oregon’s registered voter base, but are locked out of participating in the taxpayer-funded Democratic and Republican primaries. As a result, the most partisan candidates often win the party nomination to run in the general election, acing out more moderate candidates who might have broader appeal. Non-affiliated voters should pressure party officials to open their primaries or, if that fails, consider the easy step of changing their voter registration temporarily to one of the parties in order to vote in the May primary. More Oregonians must be able to have a say in selecting candidates for the general election.

Certainly, Oregon has leaned Democratic, as presidential and statewide elections have shown, but not nearly by the margins that would be reflected in a 5-1 congressional split. Oregonians should make clear to their leaders that while they may favor liberal candidates as a whole, they value fairness and representation even more."

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/...gon-democrats-anti-democratic-power-play.html
Republicans are doing it worse all over the country and you're only complaining about little old Oregon?
 
I like it! My biggest concern now is American Patriotism/Unity is disappearing as its them against us anymore. I would like to see people come together on issues and through consensus/give and take get things done without our way or no deal.
How can we as a Country be United and strong without working together, wont work. Just like when marriages or any relationship divorces. Simmons Philly.
Its sad because as a youngster we were taught to give and take and find common ground and resolve conflict.
Im almost convinced its to late to Unite, and we will become more like Sunnies and Shia and constant war between tribes, I never though Id see the day when segregation is promoted again.
Ive been an independent for a long time.
I was a registered Independent for just that reason after I quit the Republican party decades ago. Then I had to go Democrat when I saw how insane the Republicans were coming. Now I register as a Republican because I believe in some of the salient views such as fiscal responsibility and a strong military. But I'm thinking, the party is now a Trump cult and not anything like the old Republican party. Spending money foolishly and pinching money whenever it helps the disadvantaged or middle class. Also, they are promoting increased wealth disparity at an alarming rate.
 
I was a registered Independent for just that reason after I quit the Republican party decades ago. Then I had to go Democrat when I saw how insane the Republicans were coming. Now I register as a Republican because I believe in some of the salient views such as fiscal responsibility and a strong military. But I'm thinking, the party is now a Trump cult and not anything like the old Republican party. Spending money foolishly and pinching money whenever it helps the disadvantaged or middle class. Also, they are promoting increased wealth disparity at an alarming rate.
Like you Im a fiscal dude, and do support a strong military. I also support law enforcement and first responders. I know there needs to be some reform and purging of bad apples. I do favor a smaller efficient fed with States having more power.
I'm pro choice and for all LGBT rights. But most of all Im Pro lets stop bumping heads and work together and keep this Country united and help young people.
 
I like it! My biggest concern now is American Patriotism/Unity is disappearing as its them against us anymore. I would like to see people come together on issues and through consensus/give and take get things done without our way or no deal.
How can we as a Country be United and strong without working together, wont work. Just like when marriages or any relationship divorces. Simmons Philly.
Its sad because as a youngster we were taught to give and take and find common ground and resolve conflict.
Im almost convinced its to late to Unite, and we will become more like Sunnies and Shia and constant war between tribes, I never though Id see the day when segregation is promoted again.
Ive been an independent for a long time.
We can't be united in good if people refuse to accept data and facts as a basis for decision making.

As long as people support snake oil salesman selling revisionist history this divide will grow.
 
We can't be united in good if people refuse to accept data and facts as a basis for decision making.

As long as people support snake oil salesman selling revisionist history this divide will grow.

When a Country is made up of different races, religion, cultural preferences, politics and all sorts of cultural differences, theres always going to be disagreements to varying degrees. I agree that facts & data should play a role but I also think the ability to respect and conciliate is just as important. There has to be a pathway to compromise and consensus on issues that face society. Facts & Data should be made available through free press and speech so people can make their own decisions, right or wrong.
I dont feel comfortable to telling someone who to marry, or if their religion is false or not. If a man and women or two men or two women want to have a kid thats their personal business. I have the right of free speech to say something to whomever on whatever, but I wont, unless a line is crossed and threats are made. Communication and the ability to just be part of a solution without always being right or getting ones way is more productive in my mind.
 
We can't be united in good if people refuse to accept data and facts as a basis for decision making.

As long as people support snake oil salesman selling revisionist history this divide will grow.

Odd that the side that has cornered the market on dividing the country (who exactly came up with the "why do you hate the troops" for example, whenever ANYONE dared question the response to 9/11?) is the same side that wants their country back.
 
Like many things it likely depends which party holds congress at the time?

Just an FYI congressional districts are drawn at the state level by state legislatures, not the US Congress. There are a handful of states that have non-partisan commissions that draw up the congressional districts based on a set of criteria that is defined in their respective charters. But most are controlled by state legislatures which then draw the congressional districts up in a way that benefit their party on the national level to maximize their parties advantages in the house. This is hugely important as the house of representatives is pretty evenly divided right now with 220 Dems and 212 Reps, and many projections are showing a net gain for Republicans nationally from anywhere between +2 and +8 through gerrymandering in this last reapportionment cycle.

If anyone is interested there is a tracker for this on 538: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/

As has been stated before this should really be removed from the states responsibilities and have a national standard that is more fair and creates better representation for us voters.
 
When a Country is made up of different races, religion, cultural preferences, politics and all sorts of cultural differences, theres always going to be disagreements to varying degrees. I agree that facts & data should play a role but I also think the ability to respect and conciliate is just as important. There has to be a pathway to compromise and consensus on issues that face society. Facts & Data should be made available through free press and speech so people can make their own decisions, right or wrong.
I dont feel comfortable to telling someone who to marry, or if their religion is false or not. If a man and women or two men or two women want to have a kid thats their personal business. I have the right of free speech to say something to whomever on whatever, but I wont, unless a line is crossed and threats are made. Communication and the ability to just be part of a solution without always being right or getting ones way is more productive in my mind.
Absolutely. As long as policy isn't being created or continued in support of those "revisionist history" selling groups, but based on facts and data there is a path ahead.

Unfortunately that's not currently the case and it has ceased being the trend.
 

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