OT Orlando Magic 30/30 This Magic Moment

[Natebishop3]

Netflix has the 30/30 about the Shaq/Penny Orlando Magic team.

I had no idea that the Magic lowballed Shaq. I always just thought that he bolted for LA. Apparently that wasn't the case. Orlando offered 4 years/ 80 million. Shaq was thinking about accepting, and actually had told his agent that he wanted to stay in Orlando. Before he accepted, the Heat gave Mourning 100 million. That changed everything. Shaq wanted more money. The Magic balked. LA cleared enough cap space to offer 121 million and Shaq signed before the Magic got their shit together and matched.

The Magic fucked up. Why you would low-ball a player like Shaq is beyond me.

 

[selloutking]

just watched this this past week as well
I thought it was pretty good

 

[THE HCP]

Those Penny & Shaq teams were tough man!!!

 

[Natebishop3]

I also didn't realize that Nick Anderson missed 4 three throws in a row that would have made it a two possession game. That completely broke him. I remember he was never the same after that.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Yeah, was kind of interesting. The Magic couldn't get their heads around paying a player over $100 million.

 

[andalusian]

I actually remember watching this game and being shocked he missed them. I loved to watch Hakeem on that team.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, was kind of interesting. The Magic couldn't get their heads around paying a player over $100 million.

So stupid. It was essentially as if the Bulls told Jordan they didn't think he was worth the most money. The Magic lucked into a once-in-a-generation center and they completely blew it.

 

[selloutking]

I also didn't realize that Nick Anderson missed 4 three throws in a row that would have made it a two possession game. That completely broke him. I remember he was never the same after that.

the fact that they put incentives on his next contract regarding free throws probably didn't help him much either. that's a pretty low blow man.

 

[Natebishop3]

the fact that they put incentives on his next contract regarding free throws probably didn't help him much either. that's a pretty low blow man.

Mismanagement across the board. They mismanaged Hardaway as well. I remember hearing that their medical staff did a horrible job with his knees.

 

[Boob-No-More]

This league is all about the talent, more so than the NFL, MLB and NHL. With only five players on the court, you need great individual talent to win. Yes, it's still a team game, so that talent needs to work together, but you NEED the talent to build a winner.

So, when an organization like ORL low balls a player like Shaq, they get what they deserve.

Same with OKC and Harden. Yeah, I bag on Harden all the time as a first option. His game has too many holes to ever be the first option on a championship team, but if he was still in OKC, he'd be the best damn 3rd option in the league and that team would have been competing for the last 4 championships against SAS, MIA and GSW. They cheaped out and broke up an incredibly young core that had just been to the finals. So, I hope GSW sweeps them and wins every game by 20+ points, Durant leaves this summer and Westbrook leaves next summer and that team, their cheap ass owners and their dumb ass fans get several years of 15-win teams.

Moral to the story: If you have the talent, pay the money necessary to keep it. If you don't, you don't deserve to own an NBA team.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

This league is all about the talent, more so than the NFL, MLB and NHL. With only five players on the court, you need great individual talent to win. Yes, it's still a team game, so that talent needs to work together, but you NEED the talent to build a winner.

So, when an organization like ORL low balls a player like Shaq, they get what they deserve.

Same with OKC and Harden. Yeah, I bag on Harden all the time as a first option. His game has too many holes to ever be the first option on a championship team, but if he was still in OKC, he'd be the best damn 3rd option in the league and that team would have been competing for the last 4 championships against SAS, MIA and GSW. They cheaped out and broke up an incredibly young core that had just been to the finals. So, I hope GSW sweeps them and wins every game by 20+ points, Durant leaves this summer and Westbrook leaves next summer and that team, their cheap ass owners and their dumb ass fans get several years of 15-win teams.

Moral to the story: If you have the talent, pay the money necessary to keep it. If you don't, you don't deserve to own an NBA team.

BNM

I think they lucked into too much success early on, and they didn't appreciate it. The organization had only been around for a couple of years when they drafted Shaq.

Similarly, the Thunder ownership had only been around for a few years before they moved to OKC. They inherited Durant, and they lucked into Westbrook. They took it for granted. If they lose Durant this summer, and Russ next summer, they'll start to realize how cold the NBA can be.

 

[Chris Craig]

This league is all about the talent, more so than the NFL, MLB and NHL. With only five players on the court, you need great individual talent to win. Yes, it's still a team game, so that talent needs to work together, but you NEED the talent to build a winner.

So, when an organization like ORL low balls a player like Shaq, they get what they deserve.

Same with OKC and Harden. Yeah, I bag on Harden all the time as a first option. His game has too many holes to ever be the first option on a championship team, but if he was still in OKC, he'd be the best damn 3rd option in the league and that team would have been competing for the last 4 championships against SAS, MIA and GSW. They cheaped out and broke up an incredibly young core that had just been to the finals. So, I hope GSW sweeps them and wins every game by 20+ points, Durant leaves this summer and Westbrook leaves next summer and that team, their cheap ass owners and their dumb ass fans get several years of 15-win teams.

Moral to the story: If you have the talent, pay the money necessary to keep it. If you don't, you don't deserve to own an NBA team.

BNM

The Thunder are going to win the series

 

[Natebishop3]

The Thunder are going to win the series

Doubtful.

 

[drexlersdad]

saw it, shaq basically said that he wanted to be the man, unquestioned. was jealous of penny and nike.

that said, if orlando came strong with a contract offer, he would have signed it. would have been a whiner, and probably would have demanded a trade eventually, but he would have signed.

 

[Natebishop3]

saw it, shaq basically said that he wanted to be the man, unquestioned. was jealous of penny and nike.

that said, if orlando came strong with a contract offer, he would have signed it. would have been a whiner, and probably would have demanded a trade eventually, but he would have signed.

Yup. Shaq was over saturated. I got so sick of him.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Great 30 for 30, I never knew Shaq wanted the Magic to draft Penny, but holy shit... Webber and Shaq would've been better, too bad Shaq's ego got in the way.

 

[Natebishop3]

Great 30 for 30, I never knew Shaq wanted the Magic to draft Penny, but holy shit... Webber and Shaq would've been better, too bad Shaq's ego got in the way.

Eh, I tend to agree that Shaq/Webber wouldn't have worked well. He and Penny were amazing together. If he would have stayed, and Penny would have stayed healthy, they would have won a championship for sure.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Eh, I tend to agree that Shaq/Webber wouldn't have worked well. He and Penny were amazing together. If he would have stayed, and Penny would have stayed healthy, they would have won a championship for sure.

Penny was a hell of player (didn't see him play other than highlights) but Shaq+Webber would've been the best frontcourt of all time... Webber would've made Horace Grant look like dookie lol

 

[Natebishop3]

Penny was a hell of player (didn't see him play other than highlights) but Shaq+Webber would've been the best frontcourt of all time... Webber would've made Horace Grant look like dookie lol

I think the issue was the egos. Shaq and Webber would have feuded. Penny was a major introvert, and extremely quiet. That's why he and Shaq were able to coexist at first. Weber had an ego. He and Nellie feuded and he forced his way out of Golden State.

 

[santeesioux]

I remember being in Kindergarten to about 2nd grade when that Magic team was ridiculously popular at my school. Shaq was like the biggest thing ever, then he joined the dark side.

 

[drexlersdad]

i remember winning a $5 bet that pennys name was anfernee not anthony. my buddy was incredulous.

 

[Boob-No-More]

The Thunder are going to win the series

Not if there is a god. Their owners sold their collective souls to the devil when they stole that team from Seattle. It is the hope of righting such wrongs that keeps me an optimistic agnostic and not a full-fledged atheist. The atonement is coming. I want them to lose, and lose badly, to GSW so Durant and Westbrick both flee Cowtown and their clueless, manure sniffing, hillbilly fans get several years of the hell of sub-20 win seasons.

BNM

 

[Minstrel]

I think the Magic made the right decision--until he tore his knee up, Hardaway was at least as good a talent as Webber and a better fit with Shaq. Not to mention, they got a bunch of draft picks for (essentially) trading down. So it was Penny and several first-round picks instead of Webber.

If Shaq had stayed and if Hardaway hadn't had knee issues, they would have been the post-Bulls superpower instead of the Lakers.

 

[drexlersdad]

I think the Magic made the right decision--until he tore his knee up, Hardaway was at least as good a talent as Webber and a better fit with Shaq. Not to mention, they got a bunch of draft picks for (essentially) trading down. So it was Penny and several first-round picks instead of Webber.

If Shaq had stayed and if Hardaway hadn't had knee issues, they would have been the post-Bulls superpower instead of the Lakers.

after i watched it, i went on bballref and tried to track the picks in that trade, or what happened to them. its kind of an incestuous clusterfuck.

warriors traded their 96,98, and 2000 #1 picks, in addition to penny, to orlando for cwebb.

orlando traded both the 96 and 98 pick from golden state to washington in order to unload scott skiles and open up salary to sign horace grant.

washington traded golden states 96 and 98 pick BACK to the warriors with their own 2000 #1 and tom gugliatta for chris webber.

all in the course of a year or so

after getting back their picks the warriors selected todd fuller in 96, and in 98 drafted vince carter and immediately traded him for antawn jamison.

orlando held on to the warriors 2000 #1 pick (traded 7 years prior!) and drafted mike miller.

 

[BlayZa]

i remember winning a $5 bet that pennys name was anfernee not anthony. my buddy was incredulous.

hah no shit, i remember when i first saw his name i was like, huh?

now we got Sharkesha, Tequiwela, Khrist, Ishtopher n all kindsa bullshit out there.

uploading the ep for those without the 'Flix.

 

[Chris Craig]

Not if there is a god. Their owners sold their collective souls to the devil when they stole that team from Seattle. It is the hope of righting such wrongs that keeps me an optimistic agnostic and not a full-fledged atheist. The atonement is coming. I want them to lose, and lose badly, to GSW so Durant and Westbrick both flee Cowtown and their clueless, manure sniffing, hillbilly fans get several years of the hell of sub-20 win seasons.

BNM

But if Durant leaves he's headed to goldenstate...I'd rather that not happen

 

[BlayZa]

ok, done

 

[BigGameDamian]

But if Durant leaves he's headed to goldenstate...I'd rather that not happen

No he's headed for Washington DC.

 

[Chris Craig]

No he's headed for Washington DC.

Why he'd no sooner win a ring their then in OKC

 

[Boob-No-More]

But if Durant leaves he's headed to goldenstate...I'd rather that not happen

Not if he wants to be the man. I don't think he's quite yet to the Karl Malone/Gary Payton coattail rider phase of his career. He may also go to SAS or WAS. GSW is definitely Curry's team and if he joins a 2-time defending champ, everyone will say they didn't need him, they were doing fine without him. I don't think that's the legacy a competitive athlete in his prime is looking for. If he joins SAS and they upend GSW and win a title, he can claim he's the reason. SAS couldn't get past the 2nd round without him, but with him they are champs.

BNM