OSU... Idaho... Nukes... Oh No!

[SlyPokerDog]

A really interesting episode of Nova is just out on the future of nuclear power. Oregon State University has a big role in the future of it.

Pro nuke, anti nuke, don't know nuke, it's worth watching.

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365930275/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Bump for @dviss1

 

[SlyPokerDog]

In Michio Kaku's latest podcast he came out with multiple reasons why Nova got it wrong. It was fascinating.

https://kpfa.org/episode/exploration-january-17-2017/

I know none of you will never take the time to watch Nova or listen to Michio Kaku but I love it. Pushing politics aside and just discussing the pros and cons of something without all that BS.

 

[riverman]

I'm watching the pbs doc now...pretty amazing....I've read about Michio Kaku but never listened to his podcast..look forward to it

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm watching the pbs doc now...pretty amazing....I've read about Michio Kaku but never listened to his podcast..look forward to it

You're a good man, Mr River.

 

[riverman]

What a refreshing thread.....finished the doc....Bill Gates rocks...learned a lot from this film I was unaware of.

 

[riverman]

Michio poses some really good concerns....I thought Gates and his partner had their finger on the pulse in the pbs piece....didn't they say they could fuel their reactors with radioactive waste?

 

[oldfisherman]

Very interesting.

Two new advanced types of nuclear reactors that are much safer than the water cooled reactors now in use.

The Sodium Cooled reactor needs more work to extend the longevity.

But the Liquid Metal Cooled reactors are ready to build. Sad that USA research will be built in China first. Double sad to find out Pres. Clinton shut down the first working test model of a Sodium Cooled reactor.

 

[oldfisherman]

Michio poses some really good concerns....I thought Gates and his partner had their finger on the pulse in the pbs piece....didn't they say they could fuel their reactors with radioactive waste?

That is what I heard too.
He said there is enough nuclear waste in one USA location (forgot where) to provide enough fuel to run their reactors for the next 750 years, providing power for the entire country. Think I got that right, did not take notes.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I've long thought the Indian River plant has to be shut down. Age and location make it a danger.

I would like to see private companies built nuclear plants in someplace like a military base in Utah. Use it as the starting point for a new national electrical grid.

 

[Denny Crane]

Michio poses some really good concerns....I thought Gates and his partner had their finger on the pulse in the pbs piece....didn't they say they could fuel their reactors with radioactive waste?

We always could. Jimmy Carter pushed for, and signed, a law against repurposing the spent fuel.

France is a few generations ahead of us in terms of everything nuclear. I think 80% of their power is nuclear. The people love it and don't mind living near the reactors.

They've been repurposing their spent fuel for decades. They feed it back though the reactor a few times.

Then they seal it in a barrel sized block of glass that can survive train crashes, missile hits, being dropped from airplanes, etc.

We would do well to learn from their experience.

 

[oldfisherman]

Talking about location. Whose bright idea was it to build a nuclear power plant on a beach, where a big wave can cause it to melt down and explode?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Talking about location. Whose bright idea was it to build a nuclear power plant on a beach, where a big wave can cause it to melt down and explode?

Engineers recommended a seawall that if built would have been tall enough to hold back the tsunami. They knew the danger.

 

[oldfisherman]

We always could. Jimmy Carter pushed for, and signed, a law against repurposing the spent fuel.

France is a few generations ahead of us in terms of everything nuclear. I think 80% of their power is nuclear. The people love it and don't mind living near the reactors.

They've been repurposing their spent fuel for decades. They feed it back though the reactor a few times.

Then they seal it in a barrel sized block of glass that can survive train crashes, missile hits, being dropped from airplanes, etc.

We would do well to learn from their experience.

Yup, another example of USA research going to another country. After Carter shut down the proven method to recycle nuclear waste. The USA technology ended up in France.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We always could. Jimmy Carter pushed for, and signed, a law against repurposing the spent fuel.

France is a few generations ahead of us in terms of everything nuclear. I think 80% of their power is nuclear. The people love it and don't mind living near the reactors.

They've been repurposing their spent fuel for decades. They feed it back though the reactor a few times.

Then they seal it in a barrel sized block of glass that can survive train crashes, missile hits, being dropped from airplanes, etc.

We would do well to learn from their experience.

France is years underway building a fusion plant. That really is a technology that we should get to first.

 

[riverman]

The French are building high speed rail systems all over the planet...the built the one in Taipei...

 

[Denny Crane]

Saw the Nova program. It just reiterates all the things I know about Nuclear.

We need to decommission plants as they get 40 years old, or so, and replace them with newer and more modern designs.

Chernobyl was a military grade reactor. It never should have been built.

Fukushima was hit by a massive and unprecedented natural disaster. Something along the lines of a meteor strike. The tsunami took tens of thousands of lives, but the reactor took none - even to date. Some reactor workers did die from the earthquake and tsunami; there are zero deaths due to radiation. The risk to those who were exposed to radiation is considered "minimally higher."

In many things there are risks. We have to assess the risks against the rewards. The reward is almost unlimited, cheap, and clean energy. The risk is some deaths and radiation of smaller areas (maybe the size of a town).

We send men and women into space, some die. People die on the highways every day.

In all things we measure risk against reward.

 

[MARIS61]

OSU, like all higher education, is a MIC shill.

Used to deal primarily in spreading fake timber science supporting clear-cutting, now they promote long-debunked nuke-tech that will bring the end of all human life for 1%er quick profit.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

OSU, like all higher education, is a MIC shill.

Used to deal primarily in spreading fake timber science supporting clear-cutting, now they promote long-debunked nuke-tech that will bring the end of all human life for 1%er quick profit.

So you agree with Micho?

 

[Denny Crane]

After one semester of college physics, I realized how anyone with that level of education could operate a nuclear plant.

The science isn't that hard to understand.

There was 7,000+ in that physics class, 2/3 passed the course.

We've operated hundreds of plants for half a century with 2 accidents that weren't trivially contained. It's not perfectly safe, but it's not a threat to bring an end to all of human life. Not at all a threat.

 

[MARIS61]

After one semester of college physics, I realized how anyone with that level of education could operate a nuclear plant.

The science isn't that hard to understand.

There was 7,000+ in that physics class, 2/3 passed the course.

We've operated hundreds of plants for half a century with 2 accidents that weren't trivially contained. It's not perfectly safe, but it's not a threat to bring an end to all of human life. Not at all a threat.

 

[oldfisherman]

There is nuclear reactor in SE Portland, working for almost 50 years, and most people are not even aware of it.

 

[Denny Crane]

To this day, nobody died from anything to do with nuclear power at Fukushima. 15,000+ died from the earthquake and tsunami.

Even if a meteor hit every one of the 450 plants online today, the meteors would kill millions and the nuclear plants zero.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There is nuclear reactor in SE Portland, working for almost 50 years, and most people are not even aware of it.

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