OT: Captain Jack wants out of GS

[hasoos]

Well I just read over on hoopshype that Captain Jack wants out of Don Nelsons reign of terror. I think he could help bring a bit of that nasty veteran leadership that Portland needs. He has championship and playoff experience, is a scorer, and can play D. The only bad side, is the Detroit/Indian Brawl he took part in a couple of years back.

 

[andalusian]

He seems to be a good citizen now-a-days - and he can provide offense and defense. He would definitely be an upgrade in the SF position.

The question is - what do we need to give to get him?

 

[RR7]

I go back and forth on him. I think his character issues are a little overblown. I think he is a great teammate, almost to a fault. He's one of those guys that hsa your back no matter what. Unfortunately, sometimes "no matter what" is you against the Palace at Auburn Hills. He plays D and is a talent. My main concern is when he goes into chucker mode, where he just dribbles for 20 seconds, not looking to do anything or go anywhere, and then lofts up shots. Today, I think he would be a good addition. Tomorrow, I might rethink. All depends on the cost, I suppose.

 

[hasoos]

He seems to be a good citizen now-a-days - and he can provide offense and defense. He would definitely be an upgrade in the SF position.

The question is - what do we need to give to get him?

Well that is a good question. Lets head over to real GM and get to work!

 

[hasoos]

I go back and forth on him. I think his character issues are a little overblown. I think he is a great teammate, almost to a fault. He's one of those guys that hsa your back no matter what. Unfortunately, sometimes "no matter what" is you against the Palace at Auburn Hills. He plays D and is a talent. My main concern is when he goes into chucker mode, where he just dribbles for 20 seconds, not looking to do anything or go anywhere, and then lofts up shots. Today, I think he would be a good addition. Tomorrow, I might rethink. All depends on the cost, I suppose.

Yea I wonder right now how much of that "chucker" mode is due to how bad of a team he is on right now. He is also playing Nelsons system, which tends to cause a lot of bad shots to get put up. You can look back to his days with San Antonio and Indiana, and he was a very effective half court player. His open court skills would surely be welcomed here in Portland, we need more fast break guys on this team.

 

[RoyToy]

Bayless/Outlaw/Sergio/w/e else for Ellis and Jackson

I usually hate making trade ideas like this, but I just couldn't help myself.

 

[craigehlo]

I don't get why he signs a fat contract extension about a little over a month ago and then welcomes a trade. I like his game, but that move makes me think he's a bit of a malcontent.

 

[hasoos]

Bayless/Outlaw/Sergio/w/e else for Ellis and Jackson

I usually hate making trade ideas like this, but I just couldn't help myself.

Yea but you are on the right track in many ways. Whatever Portland does, if it does anything, should be a multiple player for one. I am guessing one of the PF types (Frye or Diogu) is in the deal, and we also have to remember we have one chip to throw in that nobody else can:

Raef Lafrentz.

Maybe a few players and a huge expiring contract gets it done?

 

[RoyToy]

Bayless/Outlaw/Sergio/w/e else for Ellis and Jackson

I usually hate making trade ideas like this, but I just couldn't help myself.

Nvm, I did not realize how much $ Ellis and Jackson make and how long their contracts are.

 

[RR7]

A simple Outlaw and Diogu for Jackson works salary wise. They get out of a long term extension, and get a decent young player in outlaw who could thrive in a chucker open court system. I'd make that deal I think.

At the same time, I imagine GS would be able to get better offers than that for him.

 

[RoyToy]

Good point about LaFrentz, I keep forgetting about how appealing his contract could be to some teams. He's certainly a big factor.

 

[MIXUM]

i would love jackson cause we need scoring when roy or aldridge cant.

it would also be nice to see points from your starting sf in the box score

anyway...no way we get him. he doesnt fit the culture....i mean lets have all nice wimps. we need a bad ass with attitude like jackson

 

[Pinwheel1]

Well I just read over on hoopshype that Captain Jack wants out of Don Nelsons reign of terror. I think he could help bring a bit of that nasty veteran leadership that Portland needs. He has championship and playoff experience, is a scorer, and can play D. The only bad side, is the Detroit/Indian Brawl he took part in a couple of years back.

Steven Jackson?? Are you out of your mind? Anyone who shoots a gun off in a parking lot with innocent people around is an idiot. That act was worse than any "Jail Blazer" moment EVER. because it risked the lives of innocent people. I would not take him for free. You just can't depend on stupid people.

 

[WarriorFan]

God it sucks that the Warriors are going to have to lose on the talent side of a deal just to free up money that they just spent this year!

Worst franchise in professional sports.

It is so sad that a deal like Ellis/Jax for Raef would actually be considered by the Warriors. And we'll probably have to give you Randolph or Wright too.

 

[RoyToy]

Would you say the Warriors are thinking about moving Ellis? As much as I like Bayless, I'd involve him in any deal that has Ellis in it.

Bayless/LaFrentz/Outlaw for _____________________

 

[craigehlo]

Steven Jackson?? Are you out of your mind? Anyone who shoots a gun off in a parking lot with innocent people around is an idiot. That act was worse than any "Jail Blazer" moment EVER. because it risked the lives of innocent people. I would not take him for free. You just can't depend on stupid people.

In his defense, he's been a model citizen since then. He's also a great scorer and assist man at the wing spot.

I guess Nellie's act doesn't fly well with veteran players. Davis bolted in part because of it, now Jackson sounds like he could be tired.

 

[hasoos]

Steven Jackson?? Are you out of your mind? Anyone who shoots a gun off in a parking lot with innocent people around is an idiot. That act was worse than any "Jail Blazer" moment EVER. because it risked the lives of innocent people. I would not take him for free. You just can't depend on stupid people.

Yes. But I am comfortable being insane. Just remember, it is the folks who can't handle being insane and who go postal who make the rest of us look bad!

 

[alex42083]

Actually... I wouldn't mind getting Jackson. He's certainly got a bad rep, but he's tried to clean it up lately. It'd have to be a big selling point by KP and the gang to try to convince the fans that he's worth it.
But I think he'd make a good fit at SF. He's a guy that could either be a nice complementary player to Roy and can be a top option when Roy's out.

 

[Clif25]

I don't know if you want Jackson after his contract extension. Perhaps before the extension he would be worth the interest. But his contract is too long, I'd think, for the Blazers to be very interested in him.

The contract deals with Maggette, Jackson, and Nelson have all been starting to bite the Warriors in the rear.

But as a Warriors fan, I'd be interested in getting some players from the Blazers for Jackson. But I am a bit skeptical in if anything would work out.

 

[craigehlo]

I don't know if you want Jackson after his contract extension.

He's only making 10 million per year. Not chump change, but not overpriced for a guy averaging 18.6 points, 4.4 boards and 6 assists.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If he's available I'd be happy to root for a reformed Stack Jack.

 

[Pinwheel1]

You guys really don't think he would wear out his welcome in a year and a half. (MAX!) Not just the fans but the coches and players too? He would be a short term fix. We can do better.

 

[BlazerFanForLife]

I like Steven Jackson and with a strong coach like Nate and a system in place thats working he can only help this team. Kevin Prichard loves players who can play multiple positions and Jackson can play 3 different positions, I don't think we'll need him at PF like GS. That said I think we may be able to get him for Outlaw and Frye, GS needs to upgrade their front line and Frye is a 3 point threat at the center position (in Nelly's system) and Outlaw gives them the PF shooter to replace Harrington. Outlaw will flourish under Nelly's system.

Portland Trades:
Travis Outlaw, Channing Frye, 1st rounder 2009, 2nd rounder 2009 (warriors always find tallent late in the draft and like multiple picks)

Portland Recieves:
Steven Jackson

 

[Pinwheel1]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&page=warriorsbucher-081223

I get that Nellie can be a dick, but........

"According to sources, Jackson, Nelson's staunchest ally in the lockerroom, was called into Nelson's car when he showed up for the team's shootaround before facing Orlando. Nelson apparently told Jackson he was playing poorly and Jackson, who had been fighting through injuries to stay on the court, was so upset he skipped the shootaround. Jackson denied any lingering conflict, but he has since decided not to play until his injuries heal."

Jackson is another Rod Strickland IMO.

 

[crowTrobot]

i'm flabbergasted. SJ would be my pick for the single most overrated player in the entire league right now, plus he's 30 with what appear to be degrading offensive skills and on the books for 4.5 more years. i would literally rather just burn 8 million a year and keep playing webster/batum/outlaw than trade for him.

 

[Masbee]

Well I just read over on hoopshype that Captain Jack wants out of Don Nelsons reign of terror. I think he could help bring a bit of that nasty veteran leadership that Portland needs. He has championship and playoff experience, is a scorer, and can play D. The only bad side, is the Detroit/Indian Brawl he took part in a couple of years back.

#1) There are huge PR issues with him. Yes in his past. So are Rasheed's. Don't see many suggest that we bring him to town. Past PR issues aren't as bad as current, but this team still needs to stay away from that thing for a while yet, unless you are talking grade A talent to make it worth the risk. Jackson does not qualify on that count.

#2) He isn't that good. He has a lot of talent. A lot of skills. Can do virtually everything well. But, the fact is he doesn't do enough, consistently enough, for you to want to hang your hat on him as a team anchor and a guy that will help you win lots of games.

#3) He CAN play D. Well, at least he did in San Antonio and Indiana. But, that was a long time ago. He hasn't played much D recently.

#4) He is an inefficient scorer.

Masbee is not interested in Stephen Jackson. I would rather have Gerald Wallace. More efficient scorer. Better slasher. Much better rebounder. Excellent defender now, not in his distant past. Just doesn't have the outside shot and passing of Jackson.

 

[BalancedMan]

Jackson's defense was critical in stopping Dirk in the playoff series they won a couple of years back. He's a big body in a similar mold to Artest, and can play a bit of PF if needed.

 

[BalancedMan]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...~2821~378~2789&teams=9~9~9~22~22~22&te=&cash=

 

[BlazersBlood]

I think Jackson's attitude is exactly what this team needs when other teams are pushing us around, just like the Nugs in Denver and the Celtics in Boston. We need quit being such pussies out there sometimes and just nut it up and get aggressive.

But, his contract is too long, he just hit 30, and who knows where his head would be at once his skills totally decline and he starts riding the pine.

 

[Natebishop3]

When Jackson is playing on a contender, he's the real deal. When he's on a lottery team... not so much. I don't know, I think you can get toughness without getting a headcase. To my knowledge, Bill Laimbeer never climbed into the stands or committed any off-court slip ups. He was just a dick on the court. We need a couple of those. Guys who are just tough. Joel and Bayless are really the only two guys on our team that I would want backing me up in a fight.