(OT) Chandler Parsons -- dodged bullet

[illmatic99]

"I’m physically in pain. I’m well enough to play, obviously, but I’m going to go through soreness. The good thing is I’ve been through this already and it’s nothing I’m not used to. And I know my body better now. But, yeah, I think a lot of it is mental. Nobody wants to play well more than I do. I know a lot of people are getting frustrated and, trust me, they’re not more frustrated than I am. I’m in the gym every single day. The worst part is, when you have surgeries like this, this summer I could work on my body, I could work on my strength, I could work on my conditioning, but I couldn’t really work on my game, so now I’m basically working on my game in NBA games and it’s showing. I’m missing a lot of shots, I’m missing shots that I usually make."

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...y-Early-To-Judge-Value-Of-Deal-With-Grizzlies

4 yrs, 94 million. I'll take AC and his contract over Chandy's.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Turner is growing on me. I think we got lucky.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Turner is growing on me. I think we got lucky.

You lucky dog, I think they have a cream for that. I hear Turner is a FUN-GUY.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I hear Turner is a FUN-GUY.

 

[THE HCP]

He lives in Memphis, so odds are he'll get hit by one soon enough.

 

[THE HCP]

Oh....... that's not what this thread is about huh?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He lives in Memphis, so odds are he'll get hit by one soon enough.

Perhaps your most clever post to date. Well done, sir.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yep, the injury has killed his shooting, but still, even on one leg, Chandler Parsons is a better rebounder, better passer and better defender than Allen Crabbe.

I'm not saying Crabbe was a worse signing. He wasn't. A lot of a player's value is how much time he actually plays. You can't produce if you're not playing, and Crabbe has played 3x as many minutes as Parsons. That alone makes him a "better" signing, but the fact that injured Parsons has a higher TRB%, much higher AST%, higher STL%, higher BLK% and better advanced defensive stats just underscores how one dimensional Crabbe is as a player.

Of course, Crabbe is shooting the ball WAY better than Parsons. So, that again makes his signing better than the Parsons signing.

I think the Turner signing is a better comparison to the 2016-17 version of Parsons, since Turner isn't know for his shooting. In this case, Turner has played twice as many minutes as Parsons and is outproducing him across the board. For anyone who still thinks the Turner signing was bad, it could have been worse, a LOT worse.

BNM

 

[riverman]

Parsons flat out sucks....we did dodge a bullet.

 

[Natebishop3]

He also seems like a giant tool.

 

[Boob-No-More]

He also seems like a giant tool.

But not very good at it. C.J. totally took his lunch money in their twitter fight.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

But not very good at it. C.J. totally took his lunch money in their twitter fight.

BNM

CJ is a sharp dude. Probably not the best person to tangle with.

 

[ripcityboy]

Parsons is constantly in the news and from what I hear, he likes 'em young. Sounds like an Elvis man to me!


(Sings....) "Treat me like a foooool. Treat me mean and cruuuuel. But love meee."

Yeah! I'm an Elvis man. Tarantino was right. You're with The King or The Mop Tops.

 

[Stevenson]

Not sure if this is good or bad.

 

[Natebishop3]

Not sure if this is good or bad.

There's one pretty significant thing that they left out:

2015-2016 3pt% - 39.3%
2016-2017 3pt% - 43.5%

 

[Boob-No-More]

There's one pretty significant thing that they left out:

2015-2016 3pt% - 39.3%
2016-2017 3pt% - 43.5%

They also left out that his minutes are also up by 2.5 MPG. That his TRB%, AST%, STL% and BLK% are all down and his TOV% is up. That he basically needs an extra 2.5 MPG to achieve the same raw production.

But the most significant thing they left out:

Last Season: $947,276
This Season: $18,500,000

Just look at those extra zeros! Same player (slight worse, actually), but 20x the paycheck.

BNM

 

[Stevenson]

There's one pretty significant thing that they left out:

2015-2016 3pt% - 39.3%
2016-2017 3pt% - 43.5%

You're right. that's huge.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You're right. that's huge.

Last Season: $947,276
This Season: $18,500,000

Is huger, by a huge amount.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Last Season: $947,276
This Season: $18,500,000

Is huger, by a huge amount.

BNM

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge

 

[Pinwheel1]

They also left out that his minutes are also up by 2.5 MPG. That his TRB%, AST%, STL% and BLK% are all down and his TOV% is up. That he basically needs an extra 2.5 MPG to achieve the same raw production.

BNM

On a per game basis it looks to me like his TRB, assists, and blks are identical as well.
But yes his steals have dropped from 0.8 to 0.6 and his TO's have gone way up from 0.8 to o.9 (wow)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crabbal01.html

 

[Boob-No-More]

On a per game basis it looks to me like his TRB, assists, and blks are identical as well.
But yes his steals have dropped from 0.8 to 0.6 and his TO's have gone way up from 0.8 to o.9 (wow)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crabbal01.html

You need to go back and read what I actually wrote: That his TRB%, AST%, STL% and BLK% are all down and his TOV% is up.

Follow your own link and scroll down to the advanced section. As I said, his raw numbers may be the same, but it takes him 2.5 more MPG to get that same production. If someone produces the same output, but it takes them 10% more time to do so, they are, by definition 10% less efficient.

His PER, WS, WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM and VORP are all down, in spite of shooting better. Why? Because he's less efficient at everything else this year.

We're basically getting 90% of last year's production at 20x the cost. Does that sound like a good deal to you?

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

You need to go back and read what I actually wrote: That his TRB%, AST%, STL% and BLK% are all down and his TOV% is up.

Follow your own link and scroll down to the advanced section. As I said, his raw numbers may be the same, but it takes him 2.5 more MPG to get that same production. If someone produces the same output, but it takes them 10% more time to do so, they are, by definition 10% less efficient.

His PER, WS, WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM and VORP are all down, in spite of shooting better. Why? Because he's less efficient at everything else this year.

We're basically getting 90% of last year's production at 20x the cost. Does that sound like a good deal to you?

BNM

The fact that it take 2.5 more minutes to achieve the same stats really does not make a difference to me because his role may have changed due to who he is on the floor with. (i.e ET)

But I think one role that is the same, is the need for him to spread the floor with his 3 point shooting, and since that stat is way up I think he has improved. But of course his contract is not a good deal since we use him off the bench. He will be traded because of it.

 

[TBpup]

Dodged a bullet with Parsons.....with Hibbert.....with Monroe.....with Hawes......

Perhaps FA (attempted) signings aren't Neil's strong suit.

 

[Boob-No-More]

The fact that it take 2.5 more minutes to achieve the same stats really does not make a difference to me because his role may have changed due to who he is on the floor with. (i.e ET)

I didn't specify any reasons (or excuses) for his decreased per minute production, but if you don't like that, look at his per 100 possession production - also down. It's kind of hard to blame a decrease in your per 100 possession production on someone else. The fact is, regardless of the reasons, his production is about 10% less efficient than it was last year. That's easy enough to see.

When Neil and Paul decided to match the BRK offer, I doubt if they would have been excited about a 10% decrease in production. Given his age and improvement the previous season, I think they were hoping for continued improvement, not a decrease in efficiency, or even maintaining the status quo.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dodged a bullet with Parsons.....with Hibbert.....with Monroe.....with Hawes......

Perhaps FA (attempted) signings aren't Neil's strong suit.

You forgot Hedo, but that was Pritchard. Maybe we just suck at the whole free agent thing. It's so hard to draw guys to POR, our GMs get desperate and throw excess money at marginal players - and still get spurned. It's kind of like asking your overweight cousin with bad acne to the prom because all the hot girls are taken, and she says no. In the end, she probably did you a favor.

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

I didn't specify any reasons (or excuses) for his decreased per minute production, but if you don't like that, look at his per 100 possession production - also down. It's kind of hard to blame a decrease in your per 100 possession production on someone else. The fact is, regardless of the reasons, his production is about 10% less efficient than it was last year. That's easy enough to see.

When Neil and Paul decided to match the BRK offer, I doubt if they would have been excited about a 10% decrease in production. Given his age and improvement the previous season, I think they were hoping for continued improvement, not a decrease in efficiency, or even maintaining the status quo.

BNM

"10% less efficient than last year" based on advanced stats.....I really don't think that those are the numbers they are concerned with.
Even as much as a stats geek PA may or may not be. I have warmed up to advanced stats in the last few years, but this is a little too miniscule to take seriously.

Your salary comparison on the other hand, is not. He will be moved because of that, not because his advanced stats have gone down 10%. The main stat other teams will be looking at when discussing a trade for him, is his 3pt shooting %. Of which he is 4th in the entire league.

 

[Natebishop3]

Dodged a bullet with Parsons.....with Hibbert.....with Monroe.....with Hawes......

Perhaps FA (attempted) signings aren't Neil's strong suit.

Hibbert was a damn good player for at least a couple years after we tried to sign him. Something happened to him in Indy. Rumor was that Paul George slept with his girlfriend or something like that. He's not the same player that he was when we talked to him.

 

[Boob-No-More]

"10% less efficient than last year" based on advanced stats.....I really don't think that those are the numbers they are concerned with.
Even as much as a stats geek PA may or may not be. I have warmed up to advanced stats in the last few years, but this is a little too miniscule to take seriously.

Your salary comparison on the other hand, is not. He will be moved because of that, not because his advanced stats have gone down 10%. The main stat other teams will be looking at when discussing a trade for him, is his 3pt shooting %. Of which he is 4th in the entire league.

Yeah, I was just pointing out the "Mr. Consistent" label was a bit misleading. He has regressed slightly in most areas since his contract year "breakout season".

But, as you say, he's a shooter. Unfortunately, an overpaid, one-dimensional shooter who can't create for himself or others. But, because he's a great catch and shoot 3-point specialist, he could thrive in the right situation, which would make his contract less onerous.

If PHI could get Embiid and Simmons healthy, he'd be a great fit there. Embiid collapses defenses and NEEDS to have a couple great shooters on the floor to create space for him to operate. Ben Simmons is NOT a great shooter, but he is great at creating for others. A guy like Crabbe would be perfect next to those two. The problem is PHI totally overvalues their own players and is cheap as fuck when it comes to paying them. They want too much for them until they are about to become RFAs, then they give them away for pennies on the dollar rather than being faced with having to match a big offer sheet.

BNM

 

[BigGameDamian]

He lives in Memphis, so odds are he'll get hit by one soon enough.

 

[jlprk]

The main stat other teams will be looking at when discussing a trade for him, is his 3pt shooting %. Of which he is 4th in the entire league.

Yes, Crabbe is 4th this season in 3FG% (minimum 45 made)

http://bkref.com/tiny/57YFR

but only 26th in 3FG made per minute (if the minimum minutes are his 1710 minutes--i.e. 25 players have played more minutes yet made more 3s per minute--because many shoot more 3s per minute)

http://bkref.com/tiny/fr1Rj

Why is Crabbe only 26th? Stotts has Crabbe shoot in only half the situations that better shooters shoot: Crabbe is a sneaky flow shooter, not an in-your-face clutch shooter.