OT: Congrats to KP

[PapaG]

There was a lot of angst in Indianapolis when Bird stepped down and Morway was let go, and KP ascended to GM, but it has obviously worked.

The team got to their first ECF in 14 years.

Next up will likely be Rich Cho and Charlotte, while Paul continues to go through GMs. I like Olshey, but I think PA's stubborn nature, and Bert Kolde's jealousy, will again ruin a good thing.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

If Rich Cho can guide Charlotte to the ECF's then you can just crown him the Greatest GM of All Time right there on the spot.

 

[julius]

what exactly did KP do to warrant credit?

 

[PapaG]

what exactly did KP do to warrant credit?

Results...

Giving Hibbert that contract was widely panned, but without him, they aren't in the ECF.

What has Olshey, Cho, Buchanan, etc. done?

 

[julius]

Results...

Giving Hibbert that contract was widely panned, but without him, they aren't in the ECF.

What has Olshey, Cho, Buchanan, etc. done?

Well, Olshey did trade for Chris Paul. And he had as much to do with the drafting of Lillard as KP did re-signing Hibbert (since it's the owner who said "yes, I want to pay that much money".

 

[PapaG]

Well, Olshey did trade for Chris Paul. And he had as much to do with the drafting of Lillard as KP did re-signing Hibbert (since it's the owner who said "yes, I want to pay that much money".

After the NBA rejected a trade of Paul to the Lakers.

When did Olshey make a WCF as the Clipper GM? He even has two All-Stars on his team.

 

[julius]

After the NBA rejected a trade of Paul to the Lakers.

When did Olshey make a WCF as the Clipper GM? He even has two All-Stars on his team.

So it's Olshey's fault the NBA rejected the trade?

I'm not sure that crediting KP for making it to the ECF's is really a fair thing to do. It's not like he built that team.

And no matter what positive spin you want to place on him, he's still the the one who drafted Gred Oden.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[julius]

so is THAT what you look like?

 

[PapaG]

So it's Olshey's fault the NBA rejected the trade?

I'm not sure that crediting KP for making it to the ECF's is really a fair thing to do. It's not like he built that team.

And no matter what positive spin you want to place on him, he's still the the one who drafted Gred Oden.

Your anger at KP is palpable. Wouldn't PA have signed off on Oden, too? I mean, since the GM drafting Lillard doesn't count.

 

[julius]

Your anger at KP is palpable. Wouldn't PA have signed off on Oden, too? I mean, since the GM drafting Lillard doesn't count.

I have no anger at KP, I just find it odd how people don't let go of certain things.

KP is gone, I don't give a crap what he does now that he's not associated with the Blazers.

And yes, the drafting of Lillard shouldn't count anymore than signing of Hibbert should. it's not a single person who does one thing, it's a group.

Especially when it's not like the Pacers had to go out of their way to re-sign Hibbert since he was a RFA. The only reason they signed him was because their owner decided he was worth the financial risk.

 

[PapaG]

KP is gone, I don't give a crap what he does now that he's not associated with the Blazers.

Your posts in this thread say otherwise. I was just giving KP some props and giving Olshey an out when Paul Allen gets bored again.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Results...

Giving Hibbert that contract was widely panned, but without him, they aren't in the ECF.

What has Olshey, Cho, Buchanan, etc. done?

Widely panned by whom exactly? Seems to me it was a no-brainer, and we all expected Indiana to match. I know you're trolling, but this was particularly weak.

 

[Natebishop3]

KP is a genuinely nice dude, so I'm glad he is having success.

 

[PapaG]

Widely panned by whom exactly? Seems to me it was a no-brainer, and we all expected Indiana to match. I know you're trolling, but this was particularly weak.

How am I trolling? Hibbert didn't even sign a Blazer offer sheet...

 

[julius]

Your posts in this thread say otherwise. I was just giving KP some props and giving Olshey an out when Paul Allen gets bored again.

you read into my posts what you want to read into them. You're giving him props for something he doesn't deserve. He didn't build that team.

 

[julius]

How am I trolling? Hibbert didn't even sign a Blazer offer sheet...

and that matters how exactly?

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

KP did nothing special. It was Bird, Walsh, and Morway that did the heavy lifting.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

There was a lot of angst in Indianapolis when Bird stepped down and Morway was let go, and KP ascended to GM, but it has obviously worked.

The team got to their first ECF in 14 years.

Next up will likely be Rich Cho and Charlotte, while Paul continues to go through GMs. I like Olshey, but I think PA's stubborn nature, and Bert Kolde's jealousy, will again ruin a good thing.

KP has done a great job in Indy and I think is a good to great GM. There is bad blood between him and Allen and if you get into bad blood with the owner (anywhere), expect to be fired.

Without looking it up, I'm guessing Cho has put up one of the worst 2 year winning percentage for any GM. If you point to Indy's record to show KP is a good GM, then the same logic points to Cho being one of the worst GM in the NBA.

Allen should be criticized for hiring Cho, not firing him. He took some heat for hiring and firing a GM in a year, but at least he didn't keep Cho in hopes of proving he was a good hire.

 

[PapaG]

you read into my posts what you want to read into them. You're giving him props for something he doesn't deserve. He didn't build that team.

So what? He's the GM of a team in the ECF without their only All-Star from last year.

What's wrong with giving KP some props?

 

[PapaG]

Allen should be criticized for hiring Cho, not firing him. He took some heat for hiring and firing a GM in a year, but at least he didn't keep Cho in hopes of proving he was a good hire.

I was with you for thinking that Cho was a bad hire. Look up my posts. It was embarrassing how Larry Miller had to do interviews for Cho when he was hired. My stance on the Cho mistake is well-known, and you can look it up here. My point on Cho is that Paul Allen seems to like to self-sabotage himself, and if Olshey starts taking too much credit for any success, then Kolde and the other Allen groupies will poison that success, too.

 

[julius]

So what? He's the GM of a team in the ECF without their only All-Star from last year.

What's wrong with giving KP some props?

Oh, I'm sorry. are we not allowed to disagree with posts anymore?

I don't think he deserves credit for building that team or putting it together (he didn't), or resigning Hibbert.

So when the Pacers get swept in the conference finals, will KP deserve blame?

 

[KingSpeed]

There was a lot of angst in Indianapolis when Bird stepped down and Morway was let go, and KP ascended to GM, but it has obviously worked.

The team got to their first ECF in 14 years.

Indiana was in the ECF in 2004. I was mistaken in the other thread. That ECF led to The Brawl the following season.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't know Indy's history but KP decide to match Hibbert (that was not a given at the time), I think he offered Hill the extension. Did he sign West?

Indy is doing all this while keeping their salary cap at around 65 million , while paying Granger 14 mil/yr . . .not a KP signing.

 

[PapaG]

Oh, I'm sorry. are we not allowed to disagree with posts anymore?

I don't think he deserves credit for building that team or putting it together (he didn't), or resigning Hibbert.

So when the Pacers get swept in the conference finals, will KP deserve blame?

Sure. I was just saying congrats to KP for being a GM leading his team to the ECF.

 

[PapaG]

I don't know Indy's history but KP decide to match Hibbert (that was not a given at the time), I think he offered Hill the extension. Did he sign West?

Indy is doing all this while keeping their salary cap at around 65 million , while paying Granger 14 mil/yr . . .not a KP signing.

Bird signed West while having KP be his right-hand man. Bird's legacy was bringing Walsh back and keeping KP over Morway.

Why doesn't Morway have a new job? KP will be Walsh's successor...

 

[julius]

Sure. I was just saying congrats to KP for being a GM leading his team to the ECF.

sure, and congrats to Zbo for being in the conference finals. Dude has won more playoff series and big games than anyone on the Blazers roster since 03.

 

[PapaG]

Again, congrats to KP for surviving the Paul Allen Doghouse and getting a team to the ECF.

 

[KingSpeed]

sure, and congrats to Zbo for being in the conference finals. Dude has won more playoff series and big games than anyone on the Blazers roster since 03.

Rasheed Wallace has won more.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Thanks for Babbitt, KP.