OT- Iggy to the Hornets?

[MickZagger]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/21368/hornets-not-resting-on-laurels

6-0 and now they're acting like they're putting together the final peices of a championship run?

 

[RR7]

We better trade that pick before it ends up at 27.

 

[illmatic99]

A lot of people here in Phily want to get rid of Iggy, but that's a pathetic offer by NO.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That would be a pretty damn good move for them. Iggy would be a really nice complimentary scorer and defender in the backcourt ... his lack of an outside shot would be my only concern.

 

[MickZagger]

Iggy has been a shell of his old self since last year. He looked awful during FIBA, but with his athletic abilities next to Paul, that would be scary.

 

[hasoos]

A lot of people here in Phily want to get rid of Iggy, but that's a pathetic offer by NO.

That all depends. Peja's contract would be a kick ass deduction off of the salary cap of a team. Doug Collins has been complaining that the team is made of mismatched pieces, with some players suited for running and some player suited for half court. Philly needs to develope an identity, and if they are gonig to do that, that means either Iggy or Brand have to be moved. Iggy is much more dealable than Brand.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Iggy has been a shell of his old self since last year.

Yep, he hasn't been half the player since Philly lost Andre Miller. Hmm...

That's another reason I never understoood the whole Roy and Miller can never coexist mantra. Iggy has a similar game to Roy, sort of a Brandon-Lite, and he played his best ball alongside Miller.

And yes, Peja's $15.3 expiring contract is a HUGE trading chip for a team looking to save some cash and start rebuilding.

BNM

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

How about we ship Pryz and Rudy for Iggy?

Iggy would be a huge lift should Roy need MFS (or if Roy has to rest for 20 games), etc.

 

[Boob-No-More]

How about we ship Pryz and Rudy for Iggy?

Iggy would be a huge lift should Roy need MFS (or if Roy has to rest for 20 games), etc.

But what happens when Roy comes back? Would Iggy, who has been a starter his entire career, is only 26 and makes as much money as Brandon Roy accept a role coming off the bench? Probably not. Then what? Do you start him at the 3 in place of Batum?

Besides, I think this teams needs Joel Przybilla more than another 2-guard right now. We are just way too thin up front to trade away a solid rebounding, good defensding 7'1" center that would start on over half the teams in the league (if healthy).

BNM

 

[andalusian]

But what happens when Roy comes back? Would Iggy, who has been a starter his entire career, is only 26 and makes as much money as Brandon Roy accept a role coming off the bench? Probably not. Then what? Do you start him at the 3 in place of Batum?

Besides, I think this teams needs Joel Przybilla more than another 2-guard right now. We are just way too thin up front to trade away a solid rebounding, good defensding 7'1" center that would start on over half the teams in the league (if healthy).

BNM

We can roll with Nate's patented 6 players line-up.

 

[Boob-No-More]

We can roll with Nate's patented 6 players line-up.

What, you mean the offense where FIVE players stand around and watch while Nate calls the Roy ISO play seven times in a row?

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

What, you mean the offense where FIVE players stand around and watch while Nate calls the Roy ISO play seven times in a row?

BNM

haha

Bingo.

 

[MickZagger]

But what happens when Roy comes back? Would Iggy, who has been a starter his entire career, is only 26 and makes as much money as Brandon Roy accept a role coming off the bench? Probably not. Then what? Do you start him at the 3 in place of Batum?

Besides, I think this teams needs Joel Przybilla more than another 2-guard right now. We are just way too thin up front to trade away a solid rebounding, good defensding 7'1" center that would start on over half the teams in the league (if healthy).

BNM

Not sure that I agree that Iggy is Brandon-lite. Iggy is most effective when out on the run and playing above the rim. He's also a piss poor player in ISO. Iggy is also a tough defender, something that Brandon has never been mistaken as.

 

[STOMP]

How about we ship Pryz and Rudy for Iggy?

Iggy would be a huge lift should Roy need MFS (or if Roy has to rest for 20 games), etc.

while I agree with the concept wholeheartedly, Joel + Rudy's salary = about 8.4M while Andre makes 12.7M this year

STOMP

 

[MickZagger]

We have so many assets and so many question marks on this team. I expect Cho to make some kind of moves before the deadline.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Not sure that I agree that Iggy is Brandon-lite. Iggy is most effective when out on the run and playing above the rim. He's also a piss poor player in ISO. Iggy is also a tough defender, something that Brandon has never been mistaken as.

Which I suppose is even worse, another player whose style clashes with Roy. Aldridge, Batum, Miller, and Iggy (if added) all excel in a faster paced game, but Roy is only comfortable playing slow ball, walk it up the court and milk the shot clock. I think that's worse than a player whose skills are somewhat redundant.

Either way, I don't see Iggy as a good fit when Roy is healthy. A great replacement when he's not, but what happens when he is?

For as many times as it seems Roy has been injured, he's averaged 69 games a year over his first four seasons (and some of the games he missed were for the birth of a child, death of a family member, etc.) and hasn't missed a game yet this season. He's played in 84% of the team's games since he was drafted. So, do we give up a 7'1" center, when we are so short handed up front, for a guy with a huge contract that only fits well 16% (or thereabouts) of the time.

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

Which I suppose is even worse, another player whose style clashes with Roy. Aldridge, Batum, Miller, and Iggy (if added) all excel in a faster paced game, but Roy is only comfortable playing slow ball, walk it up the court and milk the shot clock. I think that's worse than a player whose skills are somewhat redundant.

Either way, I don't see Iggy as a good fit when Roy is healthy. A great replacement when he's not, but what happens when he is?

For as many times as it seems Roy has been injured, he's averaged 69 games a year over his first four seasons (and some of the games he missed were for the birth of a child, death of a family member, etc.) and hasn't missed a game yet this season. He's played in 84% of the team's games since he was drafted. So, do we give up a 7'1" center, when we are so short handed up front, for a guy with a huge contract that only fits well 16% (or thereabouts) of the time.

BNM

Oh I'm not necessarily saying that we should go after Iggy. But, I think the days we base everything around Brandon are over. He bases so much of his game off his first step and that is hampered with knee injuries to both knees that he's suffered since college. Its not likely to get any better with time. I'm not saying the days of Roy being a capable player are over, but I don't think these knee issues are anything to scoff at. So much wear and tear at a young age that I think he needs to drastically change his approach to the game if we want to see the same Roy that averaged 28/5/5 through December and January of last year.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[STOMP]

So, do we give up a 7'1" center, when we are so short handed up front, for a guy with a huge contract that only fits well 16% (or thereabouts) of the time.

sorry if I'm being an attention whore, but don't the Blazers play D roughly 50% of the time?

STOMP

 

[Nate4Prez]

What, you mean the offense where FIVE players stand around and watch while Nate calls the Roy ISO play seven times in a row?

BNM

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[Boob-No-More]

sorry if I'm being an attention whore, but don't the Blazers play D roughly 50% of the time?

STOMP

48.8% of the time, if you go by the number of possessions that lead to a shot attempt.

However, if you go by time of possession, with the way the Blazers milk the shot clock, they probably play defense about 45 - 46% of the time.

In either case, I have no idea what point you were trying to make.

BNM

 

[STOMP]

48.8% of the time, if you go by the number of possessions that lead to a shot attempt.

However, if you go by time of possession, with the way the Blazers milk the shot clock, they probably play defense about 45 - 46% of the time.

In either case, I have no idea what point you were trying to make.

that your 16% figure is pretty silly

Would Iguadala be the perfect fit offensively between Nic and Andre? Of course not, but it sure looks a hell of a lot better then the club's options right now. I happen to think they'd have a pretty exciting team defensively with only Miller as a weakness in the starting lineup... throw in Johnson and they'd really be able to apply the screws to teams

STOMP

 

[Boob-No-More]

that your 16% figure is pretty silly

Which is why I said "(or thereabouts)" to indicate it was only a rough estimate.

Would Iguadala be the perfect fit offensively between Nic and Andre? Of course not, but it sure looks a hell of a lot better then the club's options right now. I happen to think they'd have a pretty exciting team defensively with only Miller as a weakness in the starting lineup... throw in Johnson and they'd really be able to apply the screws to teams

STOMP

Don't like 16%, pick a number. I don't care if it's 25%, 50%, or anything else less than 100%. Where does Iggy play when Roy is healthy? Would he be happy coming off the bench during the prime of his career? Do you start him as an undersized 3 and send Batum to the bench? Whether you like the 16% estimate or not, you failed to answer those questions.

Would Iggy be a good fit if we didn't have Roy? I believe he would be. With Roy, not so much.

BNM

 

[STOMP]

Don't like 16%, pick a number.

I'd put it at 75-80%. Dude fits well with just about anyone on D, which again is roughly 50% of the game... I think his slashing would fit great beside Miller

Where does Iggy play when Roy is healthy?

as a wing on the basketball court getting 30+ minutes a game

Would he be happy coming off the bench during the prime of his career?

Would he be happy making tens of millions of dollars playing for a winner (and possible contender) during the prime of his career? Neither of us know the guy to answer our questions with any certainty, but I'd guess he'd say it depends to yours and an emphatic yes please to mine

Do you start him as an undersized 3 and send Batum to the bench?

Dude is the same size as Carmelo and has been starting at the 3 for the 6ers for years. I'd love for the club to be so loaded that they'd have Roy Batum and Andre as their wing rotation... that would be awesome!

Would Iggy be a good fit if we didn't have Roy? I believe he would be. With Roy, not so much.

I don't think he'd have much problem fitting with Brandon if BR is able to come back to his full ability. Sure AI wouldn't spread the court as well as some, but dude is a stud slasher and defender. If Roy is significantly less of a player then he's been then I wouldn't be that concerned about finding guys who are perceived to have the perfect fit with him

STOMP

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'd put it at 75-80%. Dude fits well with just about anyone on D, which again is roughly 50% of the game... I think his slashing would fit great beside Miller


as a wing on the basketball court getting 30+ minutes a game

So, when Roy, Batum and Iggy are all healthy, where does that 30 MPG come from? I guess that means Wesley Matthews' minutes drop to zero. Batum doesn't get enough minutes as is and I'm not sure how well Batum, or Iggy would do coming off the bench. They've bot hbee starters their entire careers, as has Roy.

And no he's not the same size as Carmelo. According to their predraft measurements, he's 3/4" shorter, 17 lbs. lighter with a 1" less wing span. He's actually closer in size to Brandon Roy than Carmelo Anthony, and Roy is (was) more athletic and still had trouble matching up with starting 3s during Nate's brief wacky 3-guard experiment last season.

Iguodala is undersized for a startiing NBA small forward and has not been starting at 3 for the 76ers for the past few years for this very reason. Thaddeus Young was their starting SF for the previous two seasons and Nocioni has been starting at the 3 this season. The only times Iggy has started at the 3 in the last few seasons is when Elton Brand was injured and they were forced to go small with Young starting as an undersized 4 and Iguodala starting as an undersized 3.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yep, he hasn't been half the player since Philly lost Andre Miller. Hmm...

That's another reason I never understoood the whole Roy and Miller can never coexist mantra. Iggy has a similar game to Roy, sort of a Brandon-Lite, and he played his best ball alongside Miller.

And yes, Peja's $15.3 expiring contract is a HUGE trading chip for a team looking to save some cash and start rebuilding.

BNM

Iggy and Roy are both above average distributors for wings, but their games couldn't be any more different; Iguodala is a guy who loves to run on the break and is a pretty damn good finisher, Roy is much more of an isolation and screen and roll player in the half-court (and a better shooter).

 

[STOMP]

So, when Roy, Batum and Iggy are all healthy, where does that 30 MPG come from? I guess that means Wesley Matthews' minutes drop to zero. Batum doesn't get enough minutes as is and I'm not sure how well Batum, or Iggy would do coming off the bench. They've bot hbee starters their entire careers, as has Roy.

yeah, Batum Roy and AI split the 96 wing minutes in my hypothetical and probably dip into the PG minutes as well. Oh well on Wesley as I'm for having the better players play

And no he's not the same size as Carmelo. According to their predraft measurements, he's 3/4" shorter, 17 lbs. lighter with a 1" less wing span. He's actually closer in size to Brandon Roy than Carmelo Anthony, and Roy is (was) more athletic and still had trouble matching up with starting 3s during Nate's brief wacky 3-guard experiment last season.

Is there some reason you left off standing reach? I'd guess it's because Carmelo and Andre's are exactly the same... whats my prize? I'm sure you're aware that players don't make many plays with the top of their heads and that weight on a day more then half a decade ago means jack today especially with guys this big... jeez I'm recalling Wayne Cooper claim he'd lose nearly 10 pounds of water weight during each game.

Brandon Roy trails Iguadala by 3" in Wingspan and 4.5" in Standing Reach... thats a pretty huge difference and hardly the sliver that separated AI and CM in those pre-draft numbers 6 & 7 years ago. Even so, Roy logged 35% of his minutes at SF in 2008-9 and scratched out a respectable 27.1 PER while last year he slumped to just a 24.8 PER while at SF. Too bad he is so undersized or he might have been effective there.

STOMP

 

[axs88]

yeah, Batum Roy and AI split the 96 wing minutes in my hypothetical and probably dip into the PG minutes as well. Oh well on Wesley as I'm for having the better players play


Is there some reason you left off standing reach? I'd guess it's because Carmelo and Andre's are exactly the same... whats my prize? I'm sure you're aware that players don't make many plays with the top of their heads and that weight on a day more then half a decade ago means jack today especially with guys this big... jeez I'm recalling Wayne Cooper claim he'd lose nearly 10 pounds of water weight during each game.

Brandon Roy trails Iguadala by 3" in Wingspan and 4.5" in Standing Reach... thats a pretty huge difference and hardly the sliver that separated AI and CM in those pre-draft numbers 6 & 7 years ago. Even so, Roy logged 35% of his minutes at SF in 2008-9 and scratched out a respectable 27.1 PER while last year he slumped to just a 24.8 PER while at SF. Too bad he is so undersized or he might have been effective there.

STOMP

Don't argue about size with STOMP, BNM I raised my eyebrow too at him saying Iguodala and Melo are the same size, but then I checked their measurements (Iggy is a rare exception in that he's officially listed shorter than his actual height in shoes) and decided to leave it at that upon seeing that there is only half an inch difference barefoot and the same standing reach.

Bottom line, I don't think Iguodala is undersized as a SF. 6'7" is legit size for the position and the guy is built like a tank - hell, he played PF this summer in the Worlds.

I would love to get him, although that would make Matthews quite redundant and no way Philly takes on that contract.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I would love to get him, although that would make Matthews quite redundant and no way Philly takes on that contract.

Yep, in the end, I don't see any way to get him without giving up too much. We'd likely have to give them two of our expiring contracts and one or two cheap, young players. That's two of Joel, Oden and Miller. Plus, Rudy and one other cheap young player. Of course, they will ask for Batum, and that will be a deal breaker. They'll probably also want to dump Brand (or Louis Williams), and including one of Roy or Aldridge would be needed to make that work.

Even if Iggy would be a great fit (I don't think he would be next to Roy), we'd have to give up too much to get him. Hell, as decimated as our front line has been by injuries, if Joel can come back and play reasonably effectively, I think having his rebounding and interior defense is more important to this team than any upgrade Andre Iguodala would provide over Wesley Matthews as our back-up SG/SF.

BNM

 

[Minstrel]

If they'd trade Iguodala in return for dumping Elton Brand (JPEC and Andre Miller would have to go to Philadelphia to give them contracts that will drop off their salary structure at the end of the season) and maybe some cash/draft pick considerations, I'd be very interested. From what I've read, they've considered it because they're desperate to dump Brand. Outside of packaging him with Iguodala and not expecting equal value for Iggy back, there's no way they can get rid of Brand.

But I wouldn't trade any of Roy, Oden, Batum or Aldridge for him and Portland can't put together a value-for-value deal for Iguodala without those players being on the table.

So, if Iguodala is available as part of a Brand salary dump, I'd love to add him. I think an Roy/Iguodala/Batum starting perimeter could actually work, because both Roy and Iguodala have very high Assist Rates and Batum is a smart decision-maker (though he doesn't generate very many assists). If it takes a value-for-value trade, I don't see Portland as a good match.

 

[RR7]

I don't see how it'd be possible to add Brand AND Iggy in a trade, however. Too much salary there.