OT: Sheed to Cleveland?

[Fez Hammersticks]

My sources say that Rasheed Wallace and the Cavs are beginning talks on a two-year deal worth about $10 million per for the services of the former Piston. The move and negotiations were inspired by Dwight Howard’s dominant performance over Cleveland’s big men in the Eastern Conference Finals. And Wallace will be brought in for that very purpose, to neutralize Dwight Howard next season and help the Cavs get over the hump.

This supports what we previously reported about what it will take for Sheed to come back next year.

If this signing falls through, I’m hearing that Cleveland may do a sign and trade with the Clippers for Zach Randolph, which certainly makes sense for the Clippers since they are taking Blake Griffin No. 1 overall.

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[julius]

10 million per for Rasheed? Maybe 10 million for 2 years.

 

[Minstrel]

10 million per for Rasheed? Maybe 10 million for 2 years.

Yeah, that sounds a lot more likely.

It would be a bit amusing if Sheed won another title, this time with Cleveland.

 

[Ed O]

Yeah, that sounds a lot more likely.

It would be a bit amusing if Sheed won another title, this time with Cleveland.

Dude. That would seal Rasheed in the hall of fame.

I've been chastised by some on this board for saying he's a borderline HoFer right now, but if he wins another title as a guy who's a contributing rotation player/starter, he's definitely in as far as I'm concerned.

Ed O.

 

[MAS RipCity]

I am a Sheed fan, but he has NO SHOT at being a HOF'er, none whatsoever

 

[THE HCP]

Sheed would be a PERFECT backup PF for us!

 

[Ed O]

I am a Sheed fan, but he has NO SHOT at being a HOF'er, none whatsoever

I am not going to argue this all over again (both because I found it tedious beating my head against the wall the first time, and because I'm well into my Saturday night prefunk and I don't have the patience to provide evidence at the moment) but all you have to do is look at where he is in terms of career stats and I don't see how you can make the statement you just made with a straight face.

He's top 60 all-time in the following stats:

-- 3 pointers made (55th)
-- Defensive rebounds (40th)
-- Blocks (37th)
-- Turnover % (44th)
-- Defensive Win Shares (30th)
-- Win Shares (50th)

OK. So I guess I did have the patience to get some evidence

He's been a great teammate and has won everywhere he went. If he helps LeBron win his first title, I bet he gets into the HoF.

Ed O.

 

[LameR]

Please let Zach Randolph go to the Cavs. That would ruin them, and I'd actually like to see the Clippers be relevant. That sounds weird to say.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Sheed in Cleveland would be fun to watch.

 

[Run BJM]

Sheed's pretty over the hill these days. He can play good defense, hit some J's, and score in the post every so often (never seems to want to despite awesome skill) but I don't see it translating to making the Cavs a ton better.

They really should move Big Z's 2010 expiring contract for an upgrade at C. Guys like Chandler, Kaman, etc/ can be had on the cheap. MAybe they could even land Shaq or Amare if Pho is desperate enough for expiring contracts.

 

[Shooter]

I've been chastised by some on this board for saying he's a borderline HoFer right now, but if he wins another title as a guy who's a contributing rotation player/starter, he's definitely in as far as I'm concerned.

Keep dreaming, Ed.

 

[MAS RipCity]

I am not going to argue this all over again (both because I found it tedious beating my head against the wall the first time, and because I'm well into my Saturday night prefunk and I don't have the patience to provide evidence at the moment) but all you have to do is look at where he is in terms of career stats and I don't see how you can make the statement you just made with a straight face.

He's top 60 all-time in the following stats:

-- 3 pointers made (55th)
-- Defensive rebounds (40th)
-- Blocks (37th)
-- Turnover % (44th)
-- Defensive Win Shares (30th)
-- Win Shares (50th)

OK. So I guess I did have the patience to get some evidence

He's been a great teammate and has won everywhere he went. If he helps LeBron win his first title, I bet he gets into the HoF.

Ed O.

Eh, if he could have led Portland to a title in 2000 as the focal point than yea, maybe. But everyone remembers him melting down as well as in 2001 too. He had HOF talent, but dude didn't push him himself. You can have all the stats you want, but when you think of Hall of Fame, Rasheed Wallace doesn't really come to mind. He simpy was not dominant enough.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

How fucking epic would it be to have this Portland team's first appearance be against a Sheed/Cavs team?!?

 

[Sinobas]

Dude. That would seal Rasheed in the hall of fame.

I've been chastised by some on this board for saying he's a borderline HoFer right now, but if he wins another title as a guy who's a contributing rotation player/starter, he's definitely in as far as I'm concerned.

Ed O.

Not even close. Hall of fame? He was definitely all-star quality during his Portland years, but never lived up to his potential. He had the talent to be a hall of fame caliber, but never lived up to it.

Don't know what you're thinking, but being apart of championship teams doesn't necessarily make you a hall of famer. Will Robert Horry get in?

 

[Tince]

I didn't know teams could talk with free agents before July 1st. Am I wrong?

If I'm right, then either Cleveland is going to get in big trouble or this story has no truth what-so-ever.

 

[BalancedMan]

Sheed is definitely getting older and his production is going to continue to decline, but he's stayed at about the same numbers for the last three years. He's big and plays physical defense, and would be great considering he is an outside threat when LBJ drives inside (sort of a Super Donyell Mashall in his older years). He would be a good fit. I don't think he gets 10 million per, and I doubt Cleveland has that much to offer (they'd have to be under the cap, which I doubt with contracts like LBJ, Big Z, Ben Wallace, Wally, etc. on the books)...but the MLE? Certainly worth it, and I'd consider it a define possibility.

 

[bbwchingy0007]

Sheed's pretty over the hill these days. He can play good defense, hit some J's, and score in the post every so often (never seems to want to despite awesome skill) but I don't see it translating to making the Cavs a ton better.

They really should move Big Z's 2010 expiring contract for an upgrade at C. Guys like Chandler, Kaman, etc/ can be had on the cheap. MAybe they could even land Shaq or Amare if Pho is desperate enough for expiring contracts.

I can't see them trading Z to be honest. If you base the decision purely on basketball, obviously you choose to shop Z's contract. If you get sentimental, which the Cavs and the fans will, they probably won't shop it. They do, however, have Big Ben's as well. A side point, though, is that if they trade their expirings they won't have the cap space to sign LeBron plus another top free agent next offseason and as far as I know that is the plan at the moment. So unless they can use the expiring contracts of Ilgauskas and Wallace in particular to get a superstar player, I really can't see them trading them.

 

[Ed O]

Not even close. Hall of fame? He was definitely all-star quality during his Portland years, but never lived up to his potential. He had the talent to be a hall of fame caliber, but never lived up to it.

Don't know what you're thinking, but being apart of championship teams doesn't necessarily make you a hall of famer. Will Robert Horry get in?

"Living up to his potential" is irrelevant. No one will (or should) look at a player and say, "Yes, he was a hall of fame player, but he could have been top 10 all-time", or "Yes, he's won a pair of championships but could have won twice as many". Failure to live up to artificial expectations is... well, an artificial criticism.

As far as the Horry comparison... what stats is Horry top 60 career in? How many all-star games did Horry make? Comparing Horry to Rasheed is silly.

Ed O.

 

[julius]

I'd say, as long as Artis Gilmore isn't in the HOF, Rasheed stands absolutely zero chance at being in there, whether or not he "deserves" it or not*.



*deserves got nothing to do with it.

 

[Sinobas]

"Living up to his potential" is irrelevant. No one will (or should) look at a player and say, "Yes, he was a hall of fame player, but he could have been top 10 all-time", or "Yes, he's won a pair of championships but could have won twice as many". Failure to live up to artificial expectations is... well, an artificial criticism.

You're the only one saying he's a hall of fame player.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hey Ed O,

I think Sheed's had a terrific career and been a terrific player, but the HOF takes so few he's not very likely to make it. Guys like Kobe, Shaq, LeBron, Wade, Duncan get in. There just aren't enough spots for star quality players to get in, you have to be a superstar.

 

[hasoos]

Please let Zach Randolph go to the Cavs. That would ruin them, and I'd actually like to see the Clippers be relevant. That sounds weird to say.

I would rather the Clippers keep stinking, and then move their team to Seattle, so we could get 4 more wins a year.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I am a Sheed fan, but he has NO SHOT at being a HOF'er, none whatsoever

I agree. Wallace was a good player, maybe a very good player, but a "Hall" player?? For me to think that would take some strong drugs.

 

[hasoos]

I agree. Wallace was a good player, maybe a very good player, but a "Hall" player?? For me to think that would take some strong drugs.

We'll have to grow a new strain of weed, super strong. Then we can call it "Sheed HOF". That way when stoners are getting it, they will ask "Why is this called Sheed HOF?" and we can answer "This weed is so strong, you will think Rasheed is a hall of famer while your smokin it!".

Of course though, it is not nearly as strong as the "Damon HOF" weed.

 

[Shooter]

"Living up to his potential" is irrelevant. No one will (or should) look at a player and say, "Yes, he was a hall of fame player, but he could have been top 10 all-time", or "Yes, he's won a pair of championships but could have won twice as many". Failure to live up to artificial expectations is... well, an artificial criticism.

Oh, come on, Ed. Surely you don't believe this. The people who vote players into the Hall of Fame are students of the game. They know that Wallace didn't like playing in the paint, despite his ability to dominate there, and that he loved to stand around and jack up 3-pointers. They also know about his crucial defensive mistake against Horry (was it Horry?) that may have cost the Pistons a championship. And they're certainly going to remember his setting the record for technical fouls 2 years in a row, and getting kicked out of games, and attacking a referee after a game, and refusing to lift weights with the rest of the Blazer team, and throwing the towel in Sabonis' face, etc., etc. Wallace has been a petulant, spoiled brat for his whole career, and that is a fact. Those kinds of players don't get into the Hall of Fame, and neither will Wallace.

That said, however, I actually think he might be a good addition for Cleveland. He never wanted to be "the man" anywhere he played, and in Cleveland he wouldn't have to be. They'd probably let him stand around and jack up 3-pointers to his heart's content, which he is fairly good at, and that might be just enough to put the Cavs over the top next year.

 

[PapaG]

Dude. That would seal Rasheed in the hall of fame.

I've been chastised by some on this board for saying he's a borderline HoFer right now, but if he wins another title as a guy who's a contributing rotation player/starter, he's definitely in as far as I'm concerned.

Ed O.

Um, no. A very good player, but the guy has never made any All-NBA team or defensive team, he's never averaged 20 ppg, and he's never averaged 10 rpg.

Wallace is not a Hall of Fame player.

 

[Denny Crane]

Dennis Rodman isn't in the HOF, and he's been on numerous all nba defense teams, DOPY, and won 5 championships with the Pistons and Bulls as a key player. He's never averaged 20 PPG, but he did put up some of the best rebounding numbers since Wilt in his prime.

 

[alex42083]

No way Sheed makes the Hall of Fame. Considering the NBA doesn't even have its own hall, it's the Basketball Hall of Fame which considers players/coaches and whoever from all facets of the sport from college, pro and women's ball.

You've got to make a pretty big contribution to the overall game to be considered for it. Just look at the 2009 class: Stockton, the Admiral, Jordan, Jerry Sloan and C Vivian Stringer. Those are great coaches, and top 50 players of all time.
Rasheed doesn't come close to that. He'll always be one of my favorite Blazers of all time but Hall of Famer? Not likely.

 

[Natebishop3]

Oh, come on, Ed. Surely you don't believe this. The people who vote players into the Hall of Fame are students of the game. They know that Wallace didn't like playing in the paint, despite his ability to dominate there, and that he loved to stand around and jack up 3-pointers. They also know about his crucial defensive mistake against Horry (was it Horry?) that may have cost the Pistons a championship. And they're certainly going to remember his setting the record for technical fouls 2 years in a row, and getting kicked out of games, and attacking a referee after a game, and refusing to lift weights with the rest of the Blazer team, and throwing the towel in Sabonis' face, etc., etc. Wallace has been a petulant, spoiled brat for his whole career, and that is a fact. Those kinds of players don't get into the Hall of Fame, and neither will Wallace.

That said, however, I actually think he might be a good addition for Cleveland. He never wanted to be "the man" anywhere he played, and in Cleveland he wouldn't have to be. They'd probably let him stand around and jack up 3-pointers to his heart's content, which he is fairly good at, and that might be just enough to put the Cavs over the top next year.

I pretty much agree with shooter on this one.

 

[KingSpeed]

Will Robert Horry get in?

Yes. He definitely deserves it in my book. Rockets, Lakers, and Spurs wouldn't have won their titles without him.