OT: Stanley Cup Final-Rangers vs. Kings-You Make the Call........

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I know we have a lot of Hockey Fans here, so let me have it, your thoughts, please....(my apologies for not taking this to the Rangers Board)...

Who do you like, rather whose your pick to hoist Lord Stanley's Cup.

(boy Lord Stanley had to have one big mouth to drink from that thing).

With the sloppy play of the Kings in Games 5, 6, and even 7. I'm going with the Rangers, in 6 games. I'd normally say the Kings if the Cup goes to 7 games. But I just don't see it.

The Kings are a extremely physical Team. I kept hearing how their defense would wear down Chicago by game 5, didn't happen, game 6 same. game 7, we all know the Kings were lucky to escape with the Series Win, let alone their lives.

IMO, the Queens wore themselves out. I was NOT impressed at all, with the last half of that Series. Based on the lack of dominance vs. the Hawks, I'd have to pick NY in a heart beat. I've not seen a Cup Semi- where a Team like the Kings, skated on their heels offensively, where Quick seemed to rarely even see the puck coming in broad daylight, (let alone the defense shadowing the net). Yet, they managed to dominate on the boards. Go figure....

It's a wonder my boot is not stuck in my TV screen, after watching games 5 and 6. Game 7, shid, I turned off my TV after the 1st period. That is how sloppy and disgusted I was to even watch the Kings on the Ice. Outclassed, by the Hawks IMO, the Kings were LUCKY....very dang Lucky....!!!
 
I'm sticking with the team I grew up to know & love & hate
throughout the years................GOOOO RANGERS.
 
I'm sticking with the team I grew up to know & love & hate
throughout the years................GOOOO RANGERS.


Sorry but I only follow sports that are played with a ball.
 
I'm hearing that Quick broke his collar bone in practice... if that's true, Rangers in 4... but I'm also hearing he's said he'll be fine... so... who knows...
 
I'm hearing that Quick broke his collar bone in practice... if that's true, Rangers in 4... but I'm also hearing he's said he'll be fine... so... who knows...

martin jones is a capable replacement if so
 
I'm hearing that Quick broke his collar bone in practice... if that's true, Rangers in 4... but I'm also hearing he's said he'll be fine... so... who knows...


What do you mean he broke it quick? as opposed to what?
 
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martin jones is a capable replacement if so

Jones is anything but a capable Stanley Cup replacement....! No offense, just stating the facts, I respectfully have to agree to disagree on this one....

Now, if the Kings had not of traded back-up goalie Scrivens to Edmonton, then I'd say, he's not J.Quick, but Scrivens is/was or would be-capable...but, not Jones. He's to green, not had enough play time, especially in Cup Playoffs.

don't get me wrong, I love nothing more than to see a "green rookie" have a spectacular breakout moment(s)....especially in Cup Playoff or Finals. Shades of greats past,


Please read the following clipped from the NY Daily News, then please tell me what you think...? Again, no offense in my disagreement. I've lived by the creed: "if you and your boss, even your best friend, always agree, then one of you is not necessary".

Debate, is healthy.....(here's the article)-NOTE: this article points out what short work the Rangers made of Replacement Goalies, during this years playoffs.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/h...ick-hurt-eve-game-1-rangers-article-1.1816039

Former Kings backup Ben Scrivens shut out the Rangers, 1-0, on Nov. 17 at the Garden, but L.A. traded Scrivens to Edmonton in January. So Quick's backup now is Martin Jones, 24. Jones posted a respectable 12-6-0 regular season record with a 1.81 goals against average and .934 save percentage.

He has appeared in relief for Quick twice during the playoffs, stopping all seven shots he's faced in 56 minutes of game action. But those two appearances marked his first career NHL postseason action, and he has never faced the Rangers in the playoffs or regular season in his brief career.

The Rangers have had good fortune with opponents' goaltenders already this spring, facing a backup goalie in eight of their 20 playoff matches.

Flyers No. 2 Ray Emery started the first three games of the first round before No. 1 Steve Mason returned from a regular season concussion. Then after Marc-Andre Fleury started all seven games for the Pittsburgh Penguins in the second round, Montreal's No. 1 Carey Price went down with an injury in the second period of Game 1 in the Eastern Conference Final. The Blueshirts faced third-stringer Dustin Tokarski the rest of the way.

Emery did win Game 2 of the first round for Philly at the Garden, but he was a liability at key moments. Tokarski, on the other hand, was excellent, and Price's absence was not the reason the Rangers controlled and won the series.

ENJOY THE CUP, I'm sure we will......regardless...well maybe, if I can pry my boots out of my TV, from games 5 and 6 of the Hawks-Kings Playoffs....I have a backup TV ready to go, and "It is Capable" :lol:
 
FYI- Lord Stanley Cup History-Here are the ONLY 4 NHL Goalies to win the Stanley Cup as Rookies:

Ken Dryden played only six regular season games in 1970-71 for Montreal but led he team to a Cup Championship that season. It wasn’t until the following year in 71-72 that Dryden won the Calder as top rookie in the NHL.

Patrick Roy nn 1985-86 led Montreal to an unexpected Stanley cup and emerged as the youngest winner of the Conn Smythe Trophy at only 20 years of age. While still a rookie that season, Roy actually got his first taste of NHL action the previous year playing 20-minutes of shutout hockey to earn his first win.

Cam Ward led Carolina to its only Cup Championship in 2005-2006 as a rookie and, like Roy, took home the Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff MVP.

Antti Niemi last season led Chicago to the Cup Championship, becoming the first rookie goaltender to record 16 playoff victories. Interestingly, despite all the well-deserved accolades given Finnish goaltending of late, Niemi is the first to win the Cup and only the third to appear in the Cup Finals – who are the other two?
Ron Hextall deserves an honorable mention here. In 1986-87 Hextall tied Roy’s rookie record with 15 playoff wins and took home the Conn Smythe Trophy, although his team, the Philadelphia Flyers, lost the cup final to Edmonton in a seven game series.
 
The thread noted above, is but one of 3 reasons, I say Martin Jones, is not "more than capable" to replace Jonathan Quick. Here is a 2nd reason.

Make It Or Break It: Rookie Goaltenders and the Stanley Cup Playoffs



http://www.dailyfaceoff.com/25627/m...okie-goaltenders-and-the-stanley-cup-playoffs


The Stanley Cup Playoffs.* It’s truly make-or-break time, where the men are separated from the boys.* Especially when it comes to rookie net-minders.

Succeed in your first postseason and become the stuff that legends are made of.* From Montreal’s Ken Dryden in ’71 and Patrick Roy in ’86, to the Canes’ Cam Ward in ’06 and most recently Antti Niemi last season, winning hockey’s holy grail in Year 1 can translate directly into a prosperous – and even Hall of Fame – career in the NHL.

Yet those stories are few and far between.* For most rookie goalies trying to make a name for themselves in the NHL, the key in their first playoff go-round is to not look out of place and ultimately not to LOSE the series. **Avoid that fate, or risk forever being judged as a goalie not good enough to win when it counts.* Boston’s Tuukka Rask (who blew a 3-0 series lead to Philly last year) and Columbus’ Steve Mason (swept by Detroit in ’09 in only playoff appearance) are two examples of former rookies trying desperately to re-establish their reputations after disastrous playoff debuts.

On the flipside, Tampa Bay’s Dwayne Roloson continues to find NHL work, largely based on past postseason success.* His run to the Finals with Edmonton in ’06 cemented his reputation as an established, proven playoff performer.* So much so, that Lightning GM Steve Yzerman was willing to bank his team’s entire season on the 41-year old veteran.* For Stevie Y, it’s a calculated risk.* He surely realizes that Roloson can’t carry his team single-handedly, but he knows that Rollie the Goalie is solid enough not to lose it for Tampa.* Could he say the same about Mike Smith or Dan Ellis?* Uh, not so much.

This year’s playoffs features three first-year goalies trying to make a name for themselves as proven winners in the clutch.* Chicago’s Corey Crawford, Washington’s Michal Neuvirth and Philadelphia’s Sergei Bobrovsky headline the NHL’s latest batch of fresh meat in the crease.

Time to take an early look at their performances thus far in this year’s playoffs to try and determine if their net-minding future’s are bright – or bleak.** Hey, no pressure, kid.

(Stats thru Tuesday April 19th)
COREY CRAWFORD – CHICAGO BLACK HAWKS
Regular Season Record:* 33-18-6, 2.30 GAA, .917 Sv%, 4 SO
2011 Playoff Record:* 1-3, 2.82 GAA, .899 Sv%

Astonishingly, the Hawks allowed Niemi to walk after last season’s Cup run – mainly because they couldn’t afford to keep him – but also because the 26-year old Crawford was ready to make the jump to the big leagues.*Niemi was only one of four rookie Goalies to win the Stanley Cup.* Sure, Crawford posted some decent numbers in his first season after winning the job outright from Marty Turco, but he’s proven unable to this point to come up big in April.* After failing to win the final regular season game vs. Detroit with a playoff berth on the line, Crawford has subsequently not shown the ability to steal any games for the Hawks vs. the Canucks.* Is trailing the series 3-1 his fault?* Of course not.* Which means he’ll be the Hawks undisputed #1 next year and will live to see another postseason.* Still, following this year’s postseason performance, doubts will linger if Crawford is the guy who can get Chicago back to the promised land.

MICHAL NEUVIRTH – WASHINGTON CAPITALS
Regular Season Record:* 27-12-4, 2.45 GAA, .914 Sv%, 4 SO
2011 Playoff Record:* 2-1, 1.22 GAA, .951 Sv%, 1 SO

The Capitals continued their regular season dominance in 2010-11, securing their 4th straight Southeast division crown while finishing as the top seed in the East for a second year in a row.* Enter Neuvirth who, along with Alex Ovechkin, must feel like he’s carrying the weight of the world – and over a decade of playoff failure – squarely on his shoulders.* Well, so far, so good for the 23-year old Czech net-minder.* He’s the early playoff leader in GAA and appears ready, willing and able of taking the Caps on a deep run towards the Cup.

Still, Neuvirth’s future as the Caps starting goalie is hardly guaranteed.* Because of the immense pressure in Washington to win now, it’s basically win-or-else for Neuvirth.* Should he falter and lose in either Round 1 or 2, look for the torch to be passed to Braden Holtby next season in the latest goal-tending shuffle designed to try to bring a winner to the nation’s capital.

SERGEI BOBROVSKY – PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
Regular Season Record:* 28-13-8, 2.59 GAA, .915 Sv%, 0 SO
2011 Playoff Record:* 0-1, 3.38 GAA, .875 Sv%

Two words best describe Bobrovsky’s performance in this year’s playoffs – Epic fail.* In less than four periods of hockey, the rookie net-minder managed to allow his stock to plummet from #1 on the Flyers depth chart all the way down to #3, following a loss to Buffalo in Game 1 and a very shaky first period in Game 2 (he allowed 3 goals on 7 shots before getting yanked in favor of Brian Boucher). **It’s obvious Head Coach Peter Laviolette has lost all confidence in Bob, reducing the 22-year old Russian to street clothes for Game 3, while promoting last year’s playoff hero Michael Leighton – who’s played 1 game for the Flyers all season – to backup Boucher.* *With it highly unlikely that Bobrovsky will play again this postseason, you have to wonder if he’ll be able to rebound from this failure.* Ever.** Expect the sophomore jinx to be in full effect next season.
 
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Then we have the Great Marty Brodeur who won the Cup as a 2nd year Goalie....Yowza...!!!
 
It would have to be the perfect shot...

Yep, I'm curious if their is any deking, reminiscent of some older time players, faking injury, (ie, Ricky Henderson, acting like he tore a hamstring, limping to 1st base, then off to the races, hammie intact and fine)....

just curious if its strategic posturing, although the video looks otherwise, like he may be playing tonight full of a numbing agent and some cortisone too....???
 
Yep, I'm curious if their is any deking, reminiscent of some older time players, faking injury, (ie, Ricky Henderson, acting like he tore a hamstring, limping to 1st base, then off to the races, hammie intact and fine)....

just curious if its strategic posturing, although the video looks otherwise, like he may be playing tonight full of a numbing agent and some cortisone too....???

I'm quite sure there is...
 
I'm quite sure there is...

That being said, looks like Quick is unschathed...not even favoring his left arm or shoulder....

OT, what a way to start Game 1 (or end it)....good game, but....to many turn overs by the Kings, in the 1st 2 periods. Still the Kings defense dominate. Not a shot on goal in 10 minutes from NY. The Kings live and die on the boards, tho', they too have been taken to the boards, with the Rangers taking a page out of the L.A. playbook.

3rd period- 22 shots by L.A., only 3 shots on goal by NY. A wonder this game is not over....(yet the beauty of the game, is it could of ended already with either team the victor)...not bad...!!!
 
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Statistic just shown during the Cup:

Just to show how the NHL Cup Playoffs, ARE indeed a whole different Season in and of itself.

Kings 2.46 Pts. per game during regular season= 26th overall in NHL.

Kings 3.45 Pts. per game during Stanley Cup Playoffs = 1st overall in NHL.
 
What a free for all on the ice.....

4 of 5 games could of easily gone either way. Alot of shots made on goal missing by half an inch on both sides.....

Kings are one dominating team, yet seem to skate on their heels to often.....

Yowza...2 Cups in 3 years. Setting a record for most games played by any Team, in Cup Playoffs over a 3 year period.
 

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